Gareth Barry

[Ted Hughes]

For me this isn't about Yaya could do the job of Barry (better or worse), is a harder worker, better passer etc etc, its about they both do different jobs and bring different skill sets to achieving their role and how that fits into the team as a whole. Barry in my opinion certainly has a place in the squad and in the main, the first team itself for at least another season. Yaya could not do the job Barry does as well as Gareth Barry currently does it ... imo

Imo, we have got it wrong in that area & we currently need Barry to cover up holes.

We don't have the right balance or blend & even with Barry in the team, we are still vulnerable in that area against decent sides.

We showed that in the Bernabau when we had what should have been a really solid team on paper, but let Real have shot after shot after shot. We don't have the personnel to let Barry go unless we have a complete overhaul of the midfield imo.

[Hazy2]

For me this isn't about Yaya could do the job of Barry (better or worse), is a harder worker, better passer etc etc, its about they both do different jobs and bring different skill sets to achieving their role and how that fits into the team as a whole. Barry in my opinion certainly has a place in the squad and in the main, the first team itself for at least another season. Yaya could not do the job Barry does as well as Gareth Barry currently does it ... imo

Imo, we have got it wrong in that area & we currently need Barry to cover up holes.

We don't have the right balance or blend & even with Barry in the team, we are still vulnerable in that area against decent sides.

We showed that in the Bernabau when we had what should have been a really solid team on paper, but let Real have shot after shot after shot. We don't have the personnel to let Barry go unless we have a complete overhaul of the midfield imo.

As a throw in who gets in the Dutch team NDJ or Gareth, who would Vinny have wanted in front of him. I like Gareth, however he is under revue now and if Mancini did not fit with the Barca Ghosts how the fuck will Gareth Barry... as wrong as it will be again. The fall out from the stupidity of divorce will see a lot of changes but hey you all knew that did you not..........

[Rag_hater]

Pace for a holding midfielder is not important. It's better to have great anticipation and know where the ball is going (which Barr does) rather than having to rely on pace to get there due to poor positioning/anticipation. Being able to read the game well is far, far more important.
At OT there was a great example of this when he pickpocketed Giggs and set up our first goal.
He's easily been our most consistent midfielder since we signed him.

It's stuff like that you come out with that I simply don't understand. Maybe pure pace over 100 yards isn't important but pace, or quickness, over five to fifteen yards is extremely important for holding midfielder. Change of direction even more so. Alsom he consistently takes too long on the ball.

I really genuinely hope we sell him this summer and we can have these "would Gareth Barry have helped" arguments rather than it going sour in the end. He has been good overall for us and deserves to be remembered as good (not great) player.

Disagree. He's very rarely out of position. His reading of the game is so good that he gets there first, even against much faster players. Many people judge him because of his 'shocker' the England germany game in the world cup where he was left as the only man back against 4 german attackers.

Pace for this position is a bonus rather than a necessity. De Jong was not quick, Makalele wasn't particulary quick nor was Senna or Alonso. There are few holding midfielders who have blistering pace. They all have great anticipation though.

Why sell him? He's at least good enough to do a job from the bench. To put in when someone needs a rest or to be a claming influence when we're protecting a lead.

He's worth keeping.

Barry's positional play is excellent. Despite his lack of speed, he almost always knows where to be at the right time. Ever since he's joined us, he's been solid in that centre midfield position and I really don't understand how anyone can underestimate the impact he has on our play.

He regularly sweeps up in front of the defence, covers the full backs when they go forward and has to cover for Yaya who never can be bothered to get back. I know someone will come up with some stat on Yaya about his passing ratio or whatever, but he IS a lazy sod when it comes to getting back, so Barry has to cover for him.

To replace him will be very difficult. If we can keep Rodwell fit, I think he could potentially do the job but keeping him fit is another question.

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

[Tokyo Blue]

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

What facts?

[Rag_hater]

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

What facts?

I thought showing evidence of how many KM the lazy so and so covered whilst becoming the 2nd best passer in the league was a fact but if it is not conclusive enough for you then an armchair plastic like myself has nothing else to offer.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I thought showing evidence of how many KM the lazy so and so covered whilst becoming the 2nd best passer in the league was a fact but if it is not conclusive enough for you then an armchair plastic like myself has nothing else to offer.

Aren't you the same guy who claimed over the course of a season Rodwell and Garcia could both do Barry's job?

Joke of a poster.

[Tokyo Blue]

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

What facts?

I thought showing evidence of how many KM the lazy so and so covered whilst becoming the 2nd best passer in the league was a fact but if it is not conclusive enough for you then an armchair plastic like myself has nothing else to offer.

I don't remember calling you an armchair plastic.

Where are these facts?

Comparing Yaya and Gaz Barry is like comparing a bicycle and a skateboard. Both clearly have their uses but one will never replace the other.

I am hoping Rodwell will be the long-term replacement for Yaya, by the way, and Milner for Barry.

[Hazy2]

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

What facts?

I thought showing evidence of how many KM the lazy so and so covered whilst becoming the 2nd best passer in the league was a fact but if it is not conclusive enough for you then an armchair plastic like myself has nothing else to offer.

I don't remember calling you an armchair plastic.

Where are these facts?

Comparing Yaya and Gaz Barry is like comparing a bicycle and a skateboard. Both clearly have their uses but one will never replace the other.

I am hoping Rodwell will be the long-term replacement for Yaya, by the way, and Milner for Barry.

I think we will see the level needed at Wembley, also two styles we need to see which is gonna be the fashion for the coming seasons, Bayern blew Barca off the pitch and Dortmund have a similar style with higher energy.

[mr_nool]

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

What facts?

I thought showing evidence of how many KM the lazy so and so covered whilst becoming the 2nd best passer in the league was a fact but if it is not conclusive enough for you then an armchair plastic like myself has nothing else to offer.

I don't remember calling you an armchair plastic.

Where are these facts?

Comparing Yaya and Gaz Barry is like comparing a bicycle and a skateboard. Both clearly have their uses but one will never replace the other.

I am hoping Rodwell will be the long-term replacement for Yaya, by the way, and Milner for Barry.

I agree regarding Rodwell being Yaya's understudy and long term replacement. But I can't see Milner slotting into the Barry role.
I like him better further up the pitch and I seriously doubt that he has the vision and game reading ability to pull off the defensive aspects of the DM position.

[Ted Hughes]

For me this isn't about Yaya could do the job of Barry (better or worse), is a harder worker, better passer etc etc, its about they both do different jobs and bring different skill sets to achieving their role and how that fits into the team as a whole. Barry in my opinion certainly has a place in the squad and in the main, the first team itself for at least another season. Yaya could not do the job Barry does as well as Gareth Barry currently does it ... imo

Imo, we have got it wrong in that area & we currently need Barry to cover up holes.

We don't have the right balance or blend & even with Barry in the team, we are still vulnerable in that area against decent sides.

We showed that in the Bernabau when we had what should have been a really solid team on paper, but let Real have shot after shot after shot. We don't have the personnel to let Barry go unless we have a complete overhaul of the midfield imo.

As a throw in who gets in the Dutch team NDJ or Gareth, who would Vinny have wanted in front of him. I like Gareth, however he is under revue now and if Mancini did not fit with the Barca Ghosts how the fuck will Gareth Barry... as wrong as it will be again. The fall out from the stupidity of divorce will see a lot of changes but hey you all knew that did you not..........

Well imo Barry gets in the dutch team very very easily ahead of Nige & Vinny would much much rather have him than DeJong, as would all the defenders & Mancini.

As for the Spaniards not liking him, Pep Guardiola mentioned him as one of the best City players, so seeing as they are on the same page as Pep, I would expect they would rate him too. His age however could count against him as far as new contracts go. Similarly with Lescott & Tevez.

[Ted Hughes]

That's just an example of the expert opinion.
The facts tell a different stroy but why let something like the truth get in the way

What facts?

I thought showing evidence of how many KM the lazy so and so covered whilst becoming the 2nd best passer in the league was a fact but if it is not conclusive enough for you then an armchair plastic like myself has nothing else to offer.

I don't remember calling you an armchair plastic.

Where are these facts?

Comparing Yaya and Gaz Barry is like comparing a bicycle and a skateboard. Both clearly have their uses but one will never replace the other.

I am hoping Rodwell will be the long-term replacement for Yaya, by the way, and Milner for Barry.

I agree regarding Rodwell being Yaya's understudy and long term replacement. But I can't see Milner slotting into the Barry role.
I like him better further up the pitch and I seriously doubt that he has the vision and game reading ability to pull off the defensive aspects of the DM position.

I don't see Barry's positional intelligence in any of the other midfielders currently at the club. Whether we can make up for it with sheer athleticism I don't know but if the players used can't read the game like Barry does, I recon it would need 3 defensively solid athletic players across the middle to adequately cover both sides & the centre against a side like Dortmund, which means Yaya further forward & only one up front.

If Pellegrini can get the whole side including the forwards running & pressing like Barca used to do, (before the drugs wore off) then Barry wouldn't be needed, but Barca have Messi scxoring 50 goals per season & are thus able to play 5 midfielders in most games.

[Hazy2]

For me this isn't about Yaya could do the job of Barry (better or worse), is a harder worker, better passer etc etc, its about they both do different jobs and bring different skill sets to achieving their role and how that fits into the team as a whole. Barry in my opinion certainly has a place in the squad and in the main, the first team itself for at least another season. Yaya could not do the job Barry does as well as Gareth Barry currently does it ... imo

Imo, we have got it wrong in that area & we currently need Barry to cover up holes.

We don't have the right balance or blend & even with Barry in the team, we are still vulnerable in that area against decent sides.

We showed that in the Bernabau when we had what should have been a really solid team on paper, but let Real have shot after shot after shot. We don't have the personnel to let Barry go unless we have a complete overhaul of the midfield imo.

As a throw in who gets in the Dutch team NDJ or Gareth, who would Vinny have wanted in front of him. I like Gareth, however he is under revue now and if Mancini did not fit with the Barca Ghosts how the fuck will Gareth Barry... as wrong as it will be again. The fall out from the stupidity of divorce will see a lot of changes but hey you all knew that did you not..........

Well imo Barry gets in the dutch team very very easily ahead of Nige & Vinny would much much rather have him than DeJong, as would all the defenders & Mancini.

As for the Spaniards not liking him, Pep Guardiola mentioned him as one of the best City players, so seeing as they are on the same page as Pep, I would expect they would rate him too. His age however could count against him as far as new contracts go. Similarly with Lescott & Tevez.

Great defence Ted but he is not going to get us to where we are heading, particularly with a Pot 3 group. Top man just the wrong age.

[Ted Hughes]

For me this isn't about Yaya could do the job of Barry (better or worse), is a harder worker, better passer etc etc, its about they both do different jobs and bring different skill sets to achieving their role and how that fits into the team as a whole. Barry in my opinion certainly has a place in the squad and in the main, the first team itself for at least another season. Yaya could not do the job Barry does as well as Gareth Barry currently does it ... imo

Imo, we have got it wrong in that area & we currently need Barry to cover up holes.

We don't have the right balance or blend & even with Barry in the team, we are still vulnerable in that area against decent sides.

We showed that in the Bernabau when we had what should have been a really solid team on paper, but let Real have shot after shot after shot. We don't have the personnel to let Barry go unless we have a complete overhaul of the midfield imo.

As a throw in who gets in the Dutch team NDJ or Gareth, who would Vinny have wanted in front of him. I like Gareth, however he is under revue now and if Mancini did not fit with the Barca Ghosts how the fuck will Gareth Barry... as wrong as it will be again. The fall out from the stupidity of divorce will see a lot of changes but hey you all knew that did you not..........

Well imo Barry gets in the dutch team very very easily ahead of Nige & Vinny would much much rather have him than DeJong, as would all the defenders & Mancini.

As for the Spaniards not liking him, Pep Guardiola mentioned him as one of the best City players, so seeing as they are on the same page as Pep, I would expect they would rate him too. His age however could count against him as far as new contracts go. Similarly with Lescott & Tevez.

Great defence Ted but he is not going to get us to where we are heading, particularly with a Pot 3 group. Top man just the wrong age.

So we ditch Barry & do what exactly ? Rodwell & Yaya, like v Dortmund ?

[Hazy2]

Barry is class Ted, just my hunch he will be moved out, a victim of the chaos that has occured and a move to a style change whilst they are at it.

[Ted Hughes]

Barry is class Ted, just my hunch he will be moved out, a victim of the chaos that has occured and a move to a style change whilst they are at it.

You may be right but imo it would be really fucking stupid, as would sacking Lescott. We know these players can do a job in a title winning side. New players & new systems often don't work out, especially in their first season. If we have the backbone of our title winning side still at the club, the new players can be brought through smoothly over the season.

Fuck Garcia, Sinclair & Kolarov off, keep Barry & Lescott. Simple.

[kinkylola]

i don't think there's any reason to get rid of garcia at this point. Besides the fact that we do need cover in midfield, and that a player, just like a manager, may not always have the smoothest first season. I am fully behind judging a player on their second season at a club, with pre-season and experience behind them. I don't believe Garcia is on massive wages, not that that even really matters it seems, and I don't think it can hurt to have him in as an option ... unless we are bringing someone truly quality in to mid.

[Im_Spartacus]

i don't think there's any reason to get rid of garcia at this point.

Two reasons would be that he's shit, and Pellegrini knows he's shit

[Ted Hughes]

i don't think there's any reason to get rid of garcia at this point. Besides the fact that we do need cover in midfield, and that a player, just like a manager, may not always have the smoothest first season. I am fully behind judging a player on their second season at a club, with pre-season and experience behind them. I don't believe Garcia is on massive wages, not that that even really matters it seems, and I don't think it can hurt to have him in as an option ... unless we are bringing someone truly quality in to mid.

I think Garcia is a good player, possibly even a very good one, but he doesn't look like a Premier League player so far & if we are bringing in more players for that position, someone will have to go. It's much better to fire Garcia than Barry imo.

When Pellegrini had Garcia as a player last time, he apparently fucked him off within 6 weeks.

[kinkylola]

i don't think there's any reason to get rid of garcia at this point. Besides the fact that we do need cover in midfield, and that a player, just like a manager, may not always have the smoothest first season. I am fully behind judging a player on their second season at a club, with pre-season and experience behind them. I don't believe Garcia is on massive wages, not that that even really matters it seems, and I don't think it can hurt to have him in as an option ... unless we are bringing someone truly quality in to mid.

I think Garcia is a good player, possibly even a very good one, but he doesn't look like a Premier League player so far & if we are bringing in more players for that position, someone will have to go. It's much better to fire Garcia than Barry imo.

When Pellegrini had Garcia as a player last time, he apparently fucked him off within 6 weeks.

Well that would be a good indication of where garcia might go ... but I wasn't necessarily looking at it as a garcia vs. barry. I think unless we are bringing someone else in midfield in (or pelligrini wants rid), then we should hang on to garcia.

I also don't think we should get rid of barry by any means, but I am concerned that he is the center piece of a system that I do not believe gets the most out of our team or gives us the best chances of reclaiming the prem title or advancing farther in europe. I'm definitely open to being proven wrong on any of those counts though.

[Hazy2]

i don't think there's any reason to get rid of garcia at this point. Besides the fact that we do need cover in midfield, and that a player, just like a manager, may not always have the smoothest first season. I am fully behind judging a player on their second season at a club, with pre-season and experience behind them. I don't believe Garcia is on massive wages, not that that even really matters it seems, and I don't think it can hurt to have him in as an option ... unless we are bringing someone truly quality in to mid.

I think Garcia is a good player, possibly even a very good one, but he doesn't look like a Premier League player so far & if we are bringing in more players for that position, someone will have to go. It's much better to fire Garcia than Barry imo.

When Pellegrini had Garcia as a player last time, he apparently fucked him off within 6 weeks.

Well that would be a good indication of where garcia might go ... but I wasn't necessarily looking at it as a garcia vs. barry. I think unless we are bringing someone else in midfield in (or pelligrini wants rid), then we should hang on to garcia.

I also don't think we should get rid of barry by any means, but I am concerned that he is the center piece of a system that I do not believe gets the most out of our team or gives us the best chances of reclaiming the prem title or advancing farther in europe. I'm definitely open to being proven wrong on any of those counts though.

I liked the look of Chelseas team at the start , we dealt with them 3 times this season, Barry was awsome, our 11 points against the top 4 I think was the best and sorry for being a sulking cunt this break-up will be a mistake that will see players gone as a direct reult of this some of which we know have done it. Barry was fucking immense at the scum but shit happens and it will with Pelli coming in. SWP was a victim of being surplus to the manager, when he should have been retained for the same reasons Barry should. Good pro and could be invaluable in a long slog.