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Re: Soriano

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Wed May 22, 2013 10:34 pm

Mark Garrett wrote:Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.



100% right the jury is still out as it is with any new manager or director of football if that's what they are. But I disagree that "their behaviour" whatever the hell you mean by that, is what ruined the preparation for the final.Whatever exactly did go wrong on that day,and boy did it go wrong,was down to all the problems which had been bubbling away it seems for a long time under the surface.
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Re: Soriano

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed May 22, 2013 10:54 pm

Mark Garrett wrote:Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.


Anyone that pumps over a billion into our club and shows the commitment that they have shown us so far, do not need to redeem FUCKALL mate.

Way over the top statement from you.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Im_Spartacus » Wed May 22, 2013 11:20 pm

Mark Garrett wrote:Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.


Was it not just the case that someone leaked a story about pellegrini? What on earth reason would anyone on the mcfc side of the fence want to do that for?

As far as i'm concerned THEY didnt do anything, other than get found out at an inopportune time. If stories are to be believed, we have been talking to pellegrini since the new year, so it is just pure bad luck, or malevolance on the part of some other party in the deal, which has caused that story to break when it did.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed May 22, 2013 11:24 pm

carl_feedthegoat wrote:
Mark Garrett wrote:Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.


Anyone that pumps over a billion into our club and shows the commitment that they have shown us so far, do not need to redeem FUCKALL mate.

Way over the top statement from you.

Very true, and that's why we won't give a fuck about the likes of Zab or Micah. Either or, they won't fit the system.
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Re: Soriano

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Wed May 22, 2013 11:31 pm

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Mark Garrett wrote:Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.


Was it not just the case that someone leaked a story about pellegrini? What on earth reason would anyone on the mcfc side of the fence want to do that for?

As far as i'm concerned THEY didnt do anything, other than get found out at an inopportune time. If stories are to be believed, we have been talking to pellegrini since the new year, so it is just pure bad luck, or malevolance on the part of some other party in the deal, which has caused that story to break when it did.


Barcelona leaked the story.....those cunts will be on our radar from now on.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Alex Sapphire » Thu May 23, 2013 5:24 am

so what we've learned in the last 24 hours is that the project has cycles, the director of football is the most important role at the club and the manager can get sacked for doing nothing wrong.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Im_Spartacus » Thu May 23, 2013 5:43 am

Alex Sapphire wrote:so what we've learned in the last 24 hours is that the project has cycles, the director of football is the most important role at the club and the manager can get sacked for doing nothing wrong.


It was a strange thing to say, that the manager did nothing wrong, but I suspect that is the politically correct way of dealing with the issues in the wake of a legal settlement between the club and mancini.

Both parties will without any shadow of a doubt have a "non-derogatory clause" in the settlement contract, hence why you've also not heard Mancini come out and say the sacking was a joke.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Thu May 23, 2013 6:24 am

Im_Spartacus wrote:
Was it not just the case that someone leaked a story about pellegrini? What on earth reason would anyone on the mcfc side of the fence want to do that for?

As far as i'm concerned THEY didnt do anything, other than get found out at an inopportune time. If stories are to be believed, we have been talking to pellegrini since the new year, so it is just pure bad luck, or malevolance on the part of some other party in the deal, which has caused that story to break when it did.


I'm with sparty on this one. That it leaked was just bad luck. It wasn't supposed to have happened but it did and instead of letting mancini sit there like a lame duck they fired him.

I however agree with you, Mark Garret, that as with any manager the jury is always out. However, let's cut him some slack to start with. He hasn't even started yet.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Thu May 23, 2013 6:55 am

As far as the leak was concerned it certainly didn't help that Txiki met Pellegrini's agent in public, he dropped the ball on that one.

I agree that the jury is out on our new executive team but I've no reason to doubt them, they've shown they have what it takes so I'm confident they'll get it right at City and we'll reap the rewards.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Thu May 23, 2013 8:09 am

Alex Sapphire wrote:so what we've learned in the last 24 hours is that the project has cycles, the director of football is the most important role at the club and the manager can get sacked for doing nothing wrong.



I would have said alienating many of the first team squad qualifies as doing something wrong,never mind failing to meet the targets set by your bosses.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Alex Sapphire » Thu May 23, 2013 8:31 am

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
Alex Sapphire wrote:so what we've learned in the last 24 hours is that the project has cycles, the director of football is the most important role at the club and the manager can get sacked for doing nothing wrong.



I would have said alienating many of the first team squad qualifies as doing something wrong,never mind failing to meet the targets set by your bosses.


I was quoting Soriano rather than speculating
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Re: Soriano

Postby Benjay » Thu May 23, 2013 8:59 am

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
I would have said alienating many of the first team squad qualifies as doing something wrong,never mind failing to meet the targets set by your bosses.


Agreed not to mention a quite frankly embarrassing Champions League campaign. As a fan I would have given him another year but if the boss has lost the respect of his staff, players and board then its no different to any other business. The boss goes. I suspect some of the players, who at times did not seem to care, will be going too. No room for troublemakers.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Bleed_Blue » Thu May 23, 2013 10:11 am

Manchester City chief executive Ferran Soriano has denied the club are chasing the signatures of Radamel Falcao and Neymar.

Reports have suggested City are among the chasing pack lining up moves for Atletico Madrid hit-man Falcao and Brazil sensation Neymar.

Falcao has been linked with a host of clubs, including Chelsea, Monaco and Real Madrid following his goalscoring exploits for Atletico over the last couple of seasons.

Santos attacker Neymar is also being chased by Europe's top clubs with the skilful playmaker expected to leave South America for Europe after the 2014 World Cup.

However, Soriano insists the pair are not on City's transfer radar as they begin plans for their summer transfer plans.

"Neymar and Falcao? [These reports are] false, they have never been on our agenda," Soriano is quoted as saying on Tuttomercatoweb.com.

Soriano also moved to play down talk that Sergio Aguero could leave the Etihad Stadium this summer.

Reports have suggested Aguero could be keen on a return with Spain with Real Madrid long-term admirers of the Argentine international.

Soriano insists City have no plans to sell Aguero and that the 24-year-old is happy to stay at the club.

"The first thing I want to emphasise is that we have never thought of selling Aguero. El Kun will be happy to stay with us this year," Soriano added.



I like Soriano, now he speaking more about club and plans, and apparently he had been dreaming about MLS from his barcelona days. This guy is going to take ManCity to the next level
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Re: Soriano

Postby Swales4ever » Sat May 25, 2013 10:34 am

Alex Sapphire wrote:so what we've learned in the last 24 hours is that the project has cycles, the director of football is the most important role at the club and the manager can get sacked for doing nothing wrong.


yap. that's it.

I have nothing to argue with the extreme determination the guy has efforted to clear off his leadership as long as he now is gonna sustain it with actions rather than with cheap warming talks.
Neither I have with OP turned - al the suddend - in the most hypocritical faithful since Abraham, the patriarch... lol.

That's the way directors run business these days, we all know it: first step clear off the path to fat bonuses and stock options.

Now all I want to see is the delivering of Cavani, Isco (even I'd much prefer Reus to the Spainsh way that it's now on full stretch) and possibly the Fernandinho geezer, which seem a suitable DDR-like b option to shade Yaya.

And I obviously also want to see off the Mancunian Cantera well on track in very short time as well.

1. "unintelligible language"
2. "ACID QUEEN"
3. "never once fails to turn a football thread into a himseelf thread"
4. "thumbs stalker often resulting in repetitive thumb strain"
5. ignore the cunt. he's on permantent wum mission. only TIDs may know City

You'd need to make a very good psychiatrist in order to guess what next in a eight yrs long line of hatred...


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Re: Soriano

Postby mcfc1632 » Sat May 25, 2013 11:13 am

I picked up the Telegraph yesterday and the sports section was dominated by a 2-pager on the Soriano interview - it offered must more in the way of content from the interview and I must say that I found it a compelling read!!!

I cannot find a link, the article was by Mark Ogden (not known for warm stuff about CITY IMO) and the header was: "City unveil blueprint to rule with style'
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Re: Soriano

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat May 25, 2013 11:27 am

It's been posted on here in different edits but here is a version for this thread.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... hting.html

Their incoming City manager Manuel Pellegrini, Soriano tells us, will be asked to win five trophies in as many years. No pressure, then.
Off the field, meanwhile, Soriano believes City can and will catch neighbours Manchester United to become England’s most financially powerful club.
If Soriano and his colleagues are still feeling the disappointment of a poor Barclays Premier League title defence and a numbing FA Cup final defeat to Wigan, it doesn’t show.
One man, after all, has already paid the price for that and City’s controversial decision to sack manager Roberto Mancini seems an appropriate place to start.
‘It’s always hard as nobody wants to change a manager but we all want to play good football and we all want to win,’ said Soriano.
‘Roberto Mancini did very good for the club. He changed the mentality to that of a winning club and that is very hard. We thank him.
‘But we are now looking for several things. We are looking to play good football and to win and I said that in the right order. If you play good football you will win. We want to play better.
‘You can win one year playing not so good football and being lucky and having two extraordinary players but that’s not sustainable. You can’t go to the market every year and buy the most expensive players. That’s not to say we won’t be signing expensive players. We will.
‘But the objective — the vision — is to have a team where at least half of the players will be home grown City players.
‘What we want is a football concept so that the basic way we play is shared by the whole organisation. From young teams all the way to the first team. We are asking the new manager to have close collaboration with the youth football and to work together to achieve this.
‘Teams that have won consistently in the past have a core of players that are home grown. I have seen it to the extreme in Barcelona and you have seen it at [Manchester]United.’
Throughout the 45 minutes spent with journalists this week, Soriano was careful not to denigrate Mancini. The thanks he offered the Italian appeared to be genuine. Nevertheless, it appears that problems with Mancini’s abrasive style of management were felt not just in the dressing room but all the way to the top of City’s chain of command.

‘You know, what we want is not the image of unity,’ said Soriano.
‘We want the actual unity. Everybody has his personality and his style and there are some cultural issues here. We were not very worried about [Mancini’s] public criticism. If somebody wants to criticise, it is their problem. What we do want to say is that none of the criticisms out there were, in my mind, real.
‘Our management team off the pitch is among the best in Europe so there is no real reason for criticism of anyone. Now we want a manager who knows about football, but we want somebody who knows about man-management.
‘It is impossible for us to win, win the Champions League in the end, if we don’t have a group that behaves like a family. We want a family where there are no such criticisms, where everybody respects everybody, and to do this you need to be a senior coach.
‘Our group of players are diverse but they are also very mature people. I have seen the players behave. If they work with a senior manager, they can do great things.’
Viewed in black and white, Soriano’s comments on Mancini’s style appear damning. They were, however, delivered with more subtlety than that and were as much a take on what City feel they need from managers in the future as they were a criticism of what they have had in the immediate past.
Nevertheless, the City powerbrokers — chairman Khaldoon Al Mubarak and sporting director Txiki Begiristain are a key part of the process — will not wish to see their new coach grappling with players as Mancini did with Mario Balotelli during training last season.

‘I knew from the first minute I saw those photos that there was nothing to worry about,’ reflected Soriano. ‘But, yes, I was worried about the image we were giving to the world.
‘I think Mancini is a champion, a winner. To change the mentality of the club was great.
‘Other areas were different and more challenging and to the new manager we are asking this: We know we have very good players, very mature players, so if they are in an environment where there are fewer tensions they will be able to deliver more on pitch.
‘I think [stories of tensions] have been a bit exaggerated. I have seen dressing rooms with tensions before. So we are not too worried about this and it’s not the reason why we decided to change the manager.
‘Having said that, with the new manager we are asking him that the dressing room has as much harmony as possible, knowing that total harmony is impossible.’
The last time City visited New York, three years ago, they were a club running off the endless, unpredictable energy of Soriano’s predecessor Garry Cook. Soriano is a different character, more reserved.
Other things will soon be different, too. Pellegrini, for example, will arrive under no illusions about the structure of the club’s football set-up. The South American will look after short-term results and performances while Begiristain will work to the longer-term and, crucially, have the decisive say in the acquisition of players.

This, as we know, is not the English way. It is not, for example, the way it has been at two of England’s most successful clubs, Manchester United and Arsenal.
‘That is right,’ agreed Soriano. ‘But is that because of the organisation or the personalities of those two managers?
‘You could argue that in England the two managers that you talk about have been successful. But let’s look at all the managers. I think its arguable.
‘Our relationship is not a relationship of one man reporting to the other, it’s collaboration. It’s impossible for Txiki to develop a squad and a concept of football that’s not in line with what the manager wants, so they will work together on this. But at the same time we want someone working at the club who will govern the essence of what we do.
‘We are not changing the culture of the club. I know that Roberto Mancini complained about [Begiristain’s predecessor] Brian Marwood but I saw them working together. The difference in role between football director and the manager is that the director of football has, and has to have, a long-term view.
‘So what we are asking him to do is build a squad, but also football concepts, and a way of working that will last for the next 10 years. We want to play good football, beautiful football. We want a good show.

‘The manager has a shorter span. We are asking the manager to win this season, next season and every Sunday.
‘I have seen this working very well in Barcelona. The style of play will run through the club but when it goes to the first team, the manager can make as many changes as he wants. Normally what shouldn’t happen is that he will make radical changes, such as playing lots of long balls etc.
‘We are not telling the manager how to do his job, we are just providing for the manager technically skilled players who are talented enough to play this kind of beautiful football. He can then do that as he wants.’
“Guardiola is very young. We speak to him weekly”

Soriano is clearly preoccupied with stability and rightly so. His definition of the term is interesting, though. During our interview, he talked of coaches working in ‘cycles’ of three or four years and it is clear he feels one man cannot reasonably be expected to be function well beyond two of these.
Isn’t there a danger, though, that another change of coach at the Etihad Stadium in, hypothetically, the next two seasons would threaten City’s progress in the long-term? Nobody, after all, wants to rotate coaches like Chelsea have.
‘I think it is totally unfair to compare,’ Soriano countered. ‘I don’t know how Chelsea operates, that’s their problem. But our behaviour and our approach to management has, I think, been appropriate.
‘Three years in football is a long time. In football, teams have cycles and you can have managers who go through several cycles and managers who go through one cycle. Obviously, we want the next manager to stay for a number of years, but I think it would not be wise to speculate.
‘Maybe a manager can do one or two cycles, but people get tired. Players need another way, another excitement, and managers also want to move. It’s normal.’
Soriano didn’t talk directly about Pellegrini. That appointment is yet to be rubber-stamped. He admitted, though, that his former Barcelona coach Pep Guardiola will in all likelihood head to England in years to come and it is clear he remains a possible City manager of the future.

‘Pep is very young,’ reflected Soriano. ‘After Germany he probably will come to England to coach somewhere. Pep and Txiki speak regularly, maybe weekly, so that would have been an easy one. But we are now convinced that we will bring a manager who will be what we are looking for.’
Pellegrini’s task will certainly be clear and progress in the Champions League a prerequisite. ‘It’s the real measure and this real measure we failed last season,’ said Soriano.
Here in America this week, City have once again been attempting to imbed themselves further in the global football consciousness. They are continuing to build their brand. They will have a team in the MLS in two years and they plan to make the Etihad Stadium bigger back home in Manchester.
At times, though, they seem as far behind United as ever, such is their neighbours’ vast commercial influence. Soriano, though, believes the landscape will change.
‘United have been very successful in the past but we are catching up,’ he argued. ‘When I started in another club [Barcelona]in 2003 our revenue was £123million and United was £251m. After three years our revenue was higher than United. Our revenues will increase. Certainly it can be done. However, it all starts on the pitch.’

Certainly, City must win games next season, lots of games. In replacing a coach of Mancini’s pedigree and record, Pellegrini will have much to prove.
‘If we can win in the 93rd minute on the last day, that is fine,’ Soriano smiled. ‘But I’d rather prefer winning with a bit more time and to do this we have to be consistent in delivering good football. Let me say something positive about United here — this is what they did this season.
‘You could be more or less impressed about how they played but you have seen their performance in the Premier League and it has been consistent. Actually our team has played some very good football. You have seen some good games when we were very satisfied, like winning at Old Trafford.
‘The challenge is it has to be more consistent. What cannot happen is that the performance changes so much from one game to the next. You never knew what you were going to see. It cannot be like that.’
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Re: Soriano

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sat May 25, 2013 12:11 pm

I'd like the players to be the ones who do the talking - on the pitch. Too much gobbing off has been done at City over the last few years.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat May 25, 2013 12:25 pm

Tokyo Blue wrote:I'd like the players to be the ones who do the talking - on the pitch. Too much gobbing off has been done at City over the last few years.


Surely you are not suggesting Soriano has been 'gobbing off' ?

It's the first time the cunt's opened his mouth. I didn't even know if he spoke with fucking sign language.
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Re: Soriano

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Sat May 25, 2013 1:36 pm

I like him.
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Re: Soriano

Postby Tokyo Blue » Sat May 25, 2013 1:41 pm

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Tokyo Blue wrote:I'd like the players to be the ones who do the talking - on the pitch. Too much gobbing off has been done at City over the last few years.


Surely you are not suggesting Soriano has been 'gobbing off' ?

It's the first time the cunt's opened his mouth. I didn't even know if he spoke with fucking sign language.

Any fucking idiot can say what they are going to do. They need to get something done and then talk about it afterwards. Since they came in we have won nothing. The bloke they have just got rid of won three trophies.
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