Pelligini's Targets

[Im_Spartacus]

The press have turned on him already.

He HAS to win 5 trophies in 5 years.

Fucking usual service resumes.

Gotta be honest, whilst I wouldn't necessarily put a number on the trophies, that sounds like a realistic expectation. In those 5 years we will have the opportunity to play for 20 trophies plus 5 accompanying charity shields

It sounds presumptuous, but if you manage probably be the strongest side in the league, winning 1 trophy out of four or 5 each year is not really an unrealistic expectation.

Seems a silly story though seeing as the press are reporting he only has a 2 year contract.

[Yaya Toure is a LAD]

I would rather get an away streak going the rags lost more at home this season than we have in over 2 years.

Not a bad idea!

[daveh1962]

The press have turned on him already.

He HAS to win 5 trophies in 5 years.

Fucking usual service resumes.

Read what Ferran said he NEVER said he had to win 5 trophies he said it was a realistic target and what he would like to do

[Benjay]

Read what Ferran said he NEVER said he had to win 5 trophies he said it was a realistic target and what he would like to do

Regardless the press will see it how they want. Its not a great situation as whoever is in charge will be hammered with this "quote" for the next 5 years whether we like it or not.

[Slim]

Five in five years?

Win everything in the first season, pick up the Charity Shield the start of next, then get relegated four times, still have a job.

[kinkylola]

Read what Ferran said he NEVER said he had to win 5 trophies he said it was a realistic target and what he would like to do

Regardless the press will see it how they want. Its not a great situation as whoever is in charge will be hammered with this "quote" for the next 5 years whether we like it or not.

I think anyone who wants to become our head coach will be able to discern fact from fiction ... and also be able to communicate directly with the big 2 at any point they desire, and be totally aware of waht their goals actually are. No problem at all.

[Lee_R]

Strange this.. by all accounts we were only offering him a 2 year contract? :/

[avoidconfusion]

Strange this.. by all accounts we were only offering him a 2 year contract? :/

Makes sense when you read the interview with Soriano where he talks about a "natural" cycle of ~3 years for managers. More importantly he hints that the thinks Guardiola will come to England when he is done with/at Bayern.

Maybe Pellegrini is just a transition for Guardiola?

[Ted Hughes]

That interview with Soriano is fantastic imo & pretty much answers everything.

His mention of 5 trophies in 5 years was a generalisation & he qualified it by explaining that it could mean winning fuck all one season & two trophies the next. He DID NOT say that we have to win the Champions League.

He did actually say that the main thing he is looking for is progression in the football & that we didn't get it last season, even though we have the best squad in the Prem.

Pretty much the exact thing I have been saying & all I ask for next season; progression in football. Slightly forwards & no trophies would have been acceptable for me last season, but instead we have gone hugely backwards & the manager failed to get anything from a superb group of players.

If Pellegrini in his 1st season can get us back to playing consistenly at the level Mancini reached when the title winning season began, like we were at Spurs & the swamp, but also without the fuck arsing about in the Champions Lg, I'll be delighted, even if we win fuck all, & I recon Soriano will be happy enough with that.

Maintain that level & the trophies will come sooner or later.

[Original Dub]

That interview with Soriano is fantastic imo & pretty much answers everything.

His mention of 5 trophies in 5 years was a generalisation & he qualified it by explaining that it could mean winning fuck all one season & two trophies the next. He DID NOT say that we have to win the Champions League.

He did actually say that the main thing he is looking for is progression in the football & that we didn't get it last season, even though we have the best squad in the Prem.

Pretty much the exact thing I have been saying & all I ask for next season; progression in football. Slightly forwards & no trophies would have been acceptable for me last season, but instead we have gone hugely backwards & the manager failed to get anything from a superb group of players.

If Pellegrini in his 1st season can get us back to playing consistenly at the level Mancini reached when the title winning season began, like we were at Spurs & the swamp, but also without the fuck arsing about in the Champions Lg, I'll be delighted, even if we win fuck all, & I recon Soriano will be happy enough with that.

Maintain that level & the trophies will come sooner or later.

Amen.

Can't wait for the new season to start. Haven't been genuinely excited and optimistic about a City match for quite a while and that includes the FA Cup final.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

That interview with Soriano is fantastic imo & pretty much answers everything.

His mention of 5 trophies in 5 years was a generalisation & he qualified it by explaining that it could mean winning fuck all one season & two trophies the next. He DID NOT say that we have to win the Champions League.

He did actually say that the main thing he is looking for is progression in the football & that we didn't get it last season, even though we have the best squad in the Prem.

Pretty much the exact thing I have been saying & all I ask for next season; progression in football. Slightly forwards & no trophies would have been acceptable for me last season, but instead we have gone hugely backwards & the manager failed to get anything from a superb group of players.

If Pellegrini in his 1st season can get us back to playing consistenly at the level Mancini reached when the title winning season began, like we were at Spurs & the swamp, but also without the fuck arsing about in the Champions Lg, I'll be delighted, even if we win fuck all, & I recon Soriano will be happy enough with that.

Maintain that level & the trophies will come sooner or later.

Yep, that is about the size of it. Good football and trophies will follow. But lets get the style right first, so we can look forward to the games again.

[phips]

Regardless the press will see it how they want. Its not a great situation as whoever is in charge will be hammered with this "quote" for the next 5 years whether we like it or not.

I highly doubt it

[Risby]

We had a style of play that teams figured out after a while. This season the same style didn't work due to this and teams pressing us higher and quicker.
Barca have a style and Bayern destroyed them.
What style are we going to play that won't be any different to what there already is?
I'm only playing devils advocate here, but one style of play won't bring continuous success will it?

[Im_Spartacus]

We had a style of play that teams figured out after a while. This season the same style didn't work due to this and teams pressing us higher and quicker.
Barca have a style and Bayern destroyed them.
What style are we going to play that won't be any different to what there already is?
I'm only playing devils advocate here, but one style of play won't bring continuous success will it?

Nope, but if only Bayern Munich can play the way they did against barcelona, its no great disaster for barcelona is it - they just need to regroup and think of ways to outwit bayern next time.

And thats where Mancini was always gonna fall down - in his 3.5 years, I never felt he had tactically outmanouvered an opponent other than those early months of the 11-12 season. Far too many times, Mancini showed himself to be utterly one dimensional from one game to the next, often making the same mistakes against the same teams the next time we played them and stubbornly refusing to change his approach, perhaps until we were 2 - 0 down in a game. He got away with it a few times, thinking in particular Southampton at home, but then failed to learn his lesson for the return game.

A new manager just needs to have a bit of tactical creativity about themselves. A style of play is an ethos, not a specific directive as to how the tactics work on a game by game basis - and for me thats where coaches should earn their money developing specific tactical nuances for particular problems anticipated with a particular opposition - something I feel Mancini failed to do.

[Risby]

We had a style of play that teams figured out after a while. This season the same style didn't work due to this and teams pressing us higher and quicker.
Barca have a style and Bayern destroyed them.
What style are we going to play that won't be any different to what there already is?
I'm only playing devils advocate here, but one style of play won't bring continuous success will it?

Nope, but if only Bayern Munich can play the way they did against barcelona, its no great disaster for barcelona is it - they just need to regroup and think of ways to outwit bayern next time.

And thats where Mancini was always gonna fall down - in his 3.5 years, I never felt he had tactically outmanouvered an opponent other than those early months of the 11-12 season. Far too many times, Mancini showed himself to be utterly one dimensional from one game to the next, often making the same mistakes against the same teams the next time we played them and stubbornly refusing to change his approach, perhaps until we were 2 - 0 down in a game. He got away with it a few times, thinking in particular Southampton at home, but then failed to learn his lesson for the return game.

A new manager just needs to have a bit of tactical creativity about themselves. A style of play is an ethos, not a specific directive as to how the tactics work on a game by game basis - and for me thats where coaches should earn their money developing specific tactical nuances for particular problems anticipated with a particular opposition - something I feel Mancini failed to do.

I agree that tactics play a fundamental role in the game and our tactics this season haven't been great at times.
Unlike last season, this year we have looked ordinary at times. We lost the flair and wow factor from our play.
I hope the new philosophy brings that back, but my main worry, as I've stated in another thread is I don't want philosophy and stubbornness to cost us three points each game like it did when we played 3-5-2, then reverted back to a style that has been worked out.
We should play to our strengths and the philosophy should be player oriented, not boardroom oriented. Surely this will prove more successful than saying 'right, from now on we are playing and organising ourselves 4-3-3'.

[City64]

Strange this.. by all accounts we were only offering him a 2 year contract? :/

The very possibility that Guardiola will be leaving Bayern in 2 years time to join his two mates from Barca at City. Pelligrini just "interim" for 2 years ? Fuck Knows , its a mystery !

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

We had a style of play that teams figured out after a while. This season the same style didn't work due to this and teams pressing us higher and quicker.
Barca have a style and Bayern destroyed them.
What style are we going to play that won't be any different to what there already is?
I'm only playing devils advocate here, but one style of play won't bring continuous success will it?

There was an element of fortune involved in the first leg. One goal was offside and another involved a very clear American Football style blocking move. Goals change games. It coukd have been a very different story.

[Risby]

There was an element of fortune involved in the first leg. One goal was offside and another involved a very clear American Football style blocking move. Goals change games. It coukd have been a very different story.

Very true, but Bayern were better over the two legs I thought.

[Im_Spartacus]

I agree that tactics play a fundamental role in the game and our tactics this season haven't been great at times.
Unlike last season, this year we have looked ordinary at times. We lost the flair and wow factor from our play.
I hope the new philosophy brings that back, but my main worry, as I've stated in another thread is I don't want philosophy and stubbornness to cost us three points each game like it did when we played 3-5-2, then reverted back to a style that has been worked out.
We should play to our strengths and the philosophy should be player oriented, not boardroom oriented. Surely this will prove more successful than saying 'right, from now on we are playing and organising ourselves 4-3-3'.

I understand your view, but amongst other things, FFP should focus football administrators on eliminating waste at every level within a football club.

If the club aspires to rely heavily on a world class youth system in the future, then it would be absolute madness to allow a clubs coaches to just train them any old way, then expect that at 18-19 they will be ready for places in and around the first team squad, without necessarily having had any real schooling in the way that first team operates. It creates a situation where no kid will ever make it to the first team squad without a big risk on the part of the first team coach, and as we saw with Mancini's demise, who could blame him for not wanting to risk his career on youngsters.

Beyond that, the biggest waste at any football club surrounds the replacement of a manager. The old guard leaves with their entourage, and the new man comes in thinking he is gonna be some kind of new alex ferguson, demanding all sorts of changes to the training regimes, coaching facilities, in anticipation that he is gonna preside over a baconesque dynasty - utterly deluded and financial idiocy from both the club administrators, and the manager when both parties know the likely shelf life is a couple of years, 5 at best. Thats before all the money they expect to be able to spend replacing the players they dont fancy.

The waste in british football clubs is utterly scandalous, and it runs far far deeper than transfer fees, and it has to stop for the club to become financially efficient. Im glad the club have come out and recognised now that a coach isnt going to be a 20 year position, and maybe some of our fans should wake up and smell the coffee before banging on about "stability", because there is more than one way to skin that particular cat, rather than just aimlessly hoping that the new man is the long awaited messiah.

I completely back the approach the club are taking, and it doesnt mean that the coach doesnt have the flexibility to switch to a different formation for specific games if the situation demands it, but it does mean that all the best kids in our youth system will be capable of playing in and around the first team squad much sooner than would otherwise be the case, and it means the new coaches dont want to rip everything up and start again - if thats what a manager thinks he is gonna get - he wont be appointed, so the new man cant ever argue he didnt know the score on that front.

[Risby]

I understand your view, but amongst other things, FFP should focus football administrators on eliminating waste at every level within a football club.

If the club aspires to rely heavily on a world class youth system in the future, then it would be absolute madness to allow a clubs coaches to just train them any old way, then expect that at 18-19 they will be ready for places in and around the first team squad, without necessarily having had any real schooling in the way that first team operates. It creates a situation where no kid will ever make it to the first team squad without a big risk on the part of the first team coach, and as we saw with Mancini's demise, who could blame him for not wanting to risk his career on youngsters.

Beyond that, the biggest waste at any football club surrounds the replacement of a manager. The old guard leaves with their entourage, and the new man comes in thinking he is gonna be some kind of new alex ferguson, demanding all sorts of changes to the training regimes, coaching facilities, in anticipation that he is gonna preside over a baconesque dynasty - utterly deluded and financial idiocy from both the club administrators, and the manager when both parties know the likely shelf life is a couple of years, 5 at best. Thats before all the money they expect to be able to spend replacing the players they dont fancy.

The waste in british football clubs is utterly scandalous, and it runs far far deeper than transfer fees, and it has to stop for the club to become financially efficient. Im glad the club have come out and recognised now that a coach isnt going to be a 20 year position, and maybe some of our fans should wake up and smell the coffee before banging on about "stability", because there is more than one way to skin that particular cat, rather than just aimlessly hoping that the new man is the long awaited messiah.

I completely back the approach the club are taking, and it doesnt mean that the coach doesnt have the flexibility to switch to a different formation for specific games if the situation demands it, but it does mean that all the best kids in our youth system will be capable of playing in and around the first team squad much sooner than would otherwise be the case, and it means the new coaches dont want to rip everything up and start again - if thats what a manager thinks he is gonna get - he wont be appointed, so the new man cant ever argue he didnt know the score on that front.

If it works like you think it will, I will be delighted.

I understand the purpose and necessity of a structure/philosophy, especially at youth level. But at senior squad level, that flexibility you talk about and the options we have in the squad will be extremely important. We have lacked that this year.