Friday's B*l**x

[Ted Hughes]

It was a fucking kickaround...

2) Karim Rekik has gone completely to shit & is a shadow of the player he was at 15.

You think he's gone to shit because he played average in "a fucking kickaround"?!

So what if he couldn't get a game at Blackburn, they are a fucking clueless chicken club!! He has not "gone completely to shit" because you saw him play one half of a meaningless friendly on a baseball field!

How you can actually come out with this shit is incredible.

I bet you have no fucking idea what Karim was good at, bad at or indifferent at, or which areas of his game he needed to improve or whether there is any difference in how he plays now compared to previously, whether he was quick, slow, good in the air, strong, a good tackler, read the game or in short, I bet you know fuck all about him.

And yes, he has been doing fuck all at Blackburn, which could be part of the reason he looks so far off it, or it could be something to do with the injury he had, or growth because of his age, or whatever. Either way, he was very good & someone I had big hopes for & right now he's shite & looks lacking in most of the things he was good at. I hope he gets them back but right now, he's not the same player, not even close.

[bigblue]

I bet you have no fucking idea what Karim was good at, bad at or indifferent at, or which areas of his game he needed to improve or whether there is any difference in how he plays now compared to previously, whether he was quick, slow, good in the air, strong, a good tackler, read the game or in short, I bet you know fuck all about him.

And yes, he has been doing fuck all at Blackburn, which could be part of the reason he looks so far off it, or it could be something to do with the injury he had, or growth because of his age, or whatever. Either way, he was very good & someone I had big hopes for & right [highlight]now he's shite & looks lacking in most of the things he was good at.[/highlight] I hope he gets them back but right now, he's not the same player, not even close.

Oh I didn't realize that you were that "Rekik" expert. Have you been watching him train? Have you spoke with anyone who knows about his injury or fitness? Have you seen him play more than twice in the past 6 months? If not, then what the fuck are you basing your opinion on?

[Beefymcfc]

It was a fucking kickaround...

2) Karim Rekik has gone completely to shit & is a shadow of the player he was at 15.

You think he's gone to shit because he played average in "a fucking kickaround"?!

So what if he couldn't get a game at Blackburn, they are a fucking clueless chicken club!! He has not "gone completely to shit" because you saw him play one half of a meaningless friendly on a baseball field!

How you can actually come out with this shit is incredible.

I bet you have no fucking idea what Karim was good at, bad at or indifferent at, or which areas of his game he needed to improve or whether there is any difference in how he plays now compared to previously, whether he was quick, slow, good in the air, strong, a good tackler, read the game or in short, I bet you know fuck all about him.

And yes, he has been doing fuck all at Blackburn, which could be part of the reason he looks so far off it, or it could be something to do with the injury he had, or growth because of his age, or whatever. Either way, he was very good & someone I had big hopes for & right now he's shite & looks lacking in most of the things he was good at. I hope he gets them back but right now, he's not the same player, not even close.

He's got a point Ted. Just read your post and you say it is a meaningless game where everybody is strolling around then say that a player, who has not played for 2 months (less than 10 games all season) has gone to shit.

[Ted Hughes]

It was a fucking kickaround...

2) Karim Rekik has gone completely to shit & is a shadow of the player he was at 15.

You think he's gone to shit because he played average in "a fucking kickaround"?!

So what if he couldn't get a game at Blackburn, they are a fucking clueless chicken club!! He has not "gone completely to shit" because you saw him play one half of a meaningless friendly on a baseball field!

How you can actually come out with this shit is incredible.

I bet you have no fucking idea what Karim was good at, bad at or indifferent at, or which areas of his game he needed to improve or whether there is any difference in how he plays now compared to previously, whether he was quick, slow, good in the air, strong, a good tackler, read the game or in short, I bet you know fuck all about him.

And yes, he has been doing fuck all at Blackburn, which could be part of the reason he looks so far off it, or it could be something to do with the injury he had, or growth because of his age, or whatever. Either way, he was very good & someone I had big hopes for & right now he's shite & looks lacking in most of the things he was good at. I hope he gets them back but right now, he's not the same player, not even close.

He's got a point Ted. Just read your post and you say it is a meaningless game where everybody is strolling around then say that a player, who has not played for 2 months (less than 10 games all season) has gone to shit.

No he hasn't.

Rekik was way off the pace in a kickaround. You would expect it to be an ideal game for him.

If he was where I would expect him to be at this stage of his career, he would be someone we would all be talking about. Instead, he looked, slow, weak, & badly positioned. I hope it's just rustiness but Micah looked 10 yards ahead & he's been injured all season.

[Blue Since 76]

Err,

The manager has already been sacked and the players wont be turning up tomorrow (saturday). Could have saved all us mugs going through all the shit we had to go through. Every other fucker knew about it on the eve of the FA cup final . Fucking shambles !!!!!

Does the club therefore need to come out and make a statement about Aguero; Tevez; Silva; Kompany; Sinclair; Dzeko and every other rumour relating to the club? The standard response, as with all clubs that Twitchy doesn't manage, is to not comment on speculation. The cup final was therefore no different and the problem with the performance lies with the manager and the players.

[bigblue]

He's got a point Ted. Just read your post and you say it is a meaningless game where everybody is strolling around then say that a player, who has not played for 2 months (less than 10 games all season) has gone to shit.

No he hasn't.

Rekik was way off the pace in a kickaround. You would expect it to be an ideal game for him.

If he was where I would expect him to be at this stage of his career, he would be someone we would all be talking about. Instead, he looked, slow, weak, & badly positioned. I hope it's just rustiness but Micah looked 10 yards ahead & he's been injured all season.

Why would a "kickaround" on a baseball field be an ideal game for Rekik? Everyone that he is playing against is match fit. He has hardly played all season. Combine his lower fitness level with everyone around him not really giving a shit about he game and it doesn't really seem that ideal.

Some of your posts are great but others (like above) are 100% bullshit.

[City64]

Pellegrini hasn't joined City yet, he is still manager of Malaga.

Just as a matter of interest, do Chelsea players know that Benitez is going ? Does Benitez know ? Did Benitez stop doing his job & did the Chelsea players give up ? Are Wigan better than Benfica ?

It was a Cup final. No excuse for the players & manager not turning up, in fact it should have been the easiest game to motivate the players for. I wonder what Mancini's stirring pre match speech went like ? 'We've been through a lot together, let's do this for the fans ' etc perhaps ? Or, some other inspirational call to arms ? Or not ?

[City64]

Chelsea players ? fuck me dont get me started with that one !

John Terry runs that fucking show !

As for cup final again and motivation , well the shit had hit the fan hadnt it, its obvious ! the two spanish suits were staying well out of the picture though wernt they . Wonder what all the players agents were saying the night before the FA Cup final aswell once the word was out Mancini was a goner ????

Fucking shambles !!!!

[Im_Spartacus]

Chelsea players ? fuck me dont get me started with that one !

John Terry runs that fucking show !

As for cup final again and motivation , well the shit had hit the fan hadnt it, its obvious ! the two spanish suits were staying well out of the picture though wernt they . Wonder what all the players agents were saying the night before the FA Cup final aswell once the word was out Mancini was a goner ????

Fucking shambles !!!!

Do you honestly think the players had no idea what was coming? Agents talk to agents, agents talk to players. If the newspapers were onto speculation about city changing their manager, we may see it as just that, speculation - but the likelihood is that most of the stories we heard over the previous 6 months are likely in hindsight to have been true, about speaking to pep, de boer, pellegrini, mourinho - the agents will keep their players upto date on thing, and the players arent stupid, they know which way the wind was blowing.

Perhaps knowing that Mancini was dead in the water wasnt so much a fa cup final thing, perhaps it explains a lot more this season.

[City64]

Chelsea players ? fuck me dont get me started with that one !

John Terry runs that fucking show !

As for cup final again and motivation , well the shit had hit the fan hadnt it, its obvious ! the two spanish suits were staying well out of the picture though wernt they . Wonder what all the players agents were saying the night before the FA Cup final aswell once the word was out Mancini was a goner ????

Fucking shambles !!!!

Do you honestly think the players had no idea what was coming? Agents talk to agents, agents talk to players. If the newspapers were onto speculation about city changing their manager, we may see it as just that, speculation - but the likelihood is that most of the stories we heard over the previous 6 months are likely in hindsight to have been true, about speaking to pep, de boer, pellegrini, mourinho - the agents will keep their players upto date on thing, and the players arent stupid, they know which way the wind was blowing.

Perhaps knowing that Mancini was dead in the water wasnt so much a fa cup final thing, perhaps it explains a lot more this season.

RE the agents . I was being polite ! We all know what a shady bunch of low lifes them cunts are !

Is that blunt enough ?

[Im_Spartacus]

RE the agents . I was being polite ! We all know what a shady bunch of low lifes them cunts are !

Is that blunt enough ?

I think that covers it nicely

[john68]

Kinkylola,

1)...Why do believe that Sorry and Tricky have made a "power grab" (your words)?
2)...Why do you believe that it is wrong to examine the football credentials of the person who will be the ultimate football controller at City and have the responsibility to design and develop the Holistic City way?
3)...Why do find it necessary to use exaggeration and sarcasm in a debate that is essentially rational?

All quite serious questions.

[Im_Spartacus]

3)...Why do find it necessary to use exaggeration and sarcasm in a debate that is essentially rational?

All quite serious questions.

Good one, you made me laugh there after some of your own efforts in recent weeks.

[City64]

Err,

The manager has already been sacked and the players wont be turning up tomorrow (saturday). Could have saved all us mugs going through all the shit we had to go through. Every other fucker knew about it on the eve of the FA cup final . Fucking shambles !!!!!

Does the club therefore need to come out and make a statement about Aguero; Tevez; Silva; Kompany; Sinclair; Dzeko and every other rumour relating to the club? The standard response, as with all clubs that Twitchy doesn't manage, is to not comment on speculation. The cup final was therefore no different and the problem with the performance lies with the manager and the players.

In the circumstances YES the club should have released a FEW chosen words either on the Friday night or saturday morning imho . But as a club of our stature we have been pretty shit at that aswell in recent times. The "suits" silence was deafening !!!!

Fucking shambles !!!!

[Swales4ever]

Bob got very political,

That's utter bollock and make no sense.
Everyone who has followed Bob career since he was a player -as I carefully did - is aware that the mmain reason why Mancini will never become as good as a Ferguson is because he simply refuse to deal with political aspect of success in management.
He did since he feel out with Mantovani's brother - the former Sampdoria chaiman who treated him as a son - just because he deemed he was refusing to add the little needed to Sampdoria to build a serious title bid under the Sven's tenure. He just represented vehemently his opinion and simply left to Lazio.

Same happened at Inter and the same naive attitude has been used by the alliance of Marwood and the Spaniards to clear their comfort zone off him.

I am very much convinced that Mancini will never be a top successful manager at a Top Club, just because he is not good enough . if any good, to deal with the political aspect of the role.

[kinkylola]

Kinkylola,

1)...Why do believe that Sorry and Tricky have made a "power grab" (your words)?
2)...Why do you believe that it is wrong to examine the football credentials of the person who will be the ultimate football controller at City and have the responsibility to design and develop the Holistic City way?
3)...Why do find it necessary to use exaggeration and sarcasm in a debate that is essentially rational?

All quite serious questions.

I'll answer John, but let's continue without any name calling from here on out ... civil like, good?

1. I don't think they have made a power grab, this is tied in with your 3rd question about sarcasm, i'm using this term sarcastically ... How could tricky and sorry make a power grab? They were appointed by our owners to be the guys with the power, no need to grab anything.

2. I don't believe it is wrong to 'examine' at all, but people have not been examining, they have been making blanket statements such as "these are not footballing men, they are suits." They've both already got some impressive footballing points on their CV, more so than you or I or anyone we are likely to encounter on this board. More important than that, they were trusted and appointed by our owner, and I believe they have the desire and ability to take our club where it should be. I also believe that abilities not related to footballing matters will be needed to achieve this, and we've finally got the final places in piece (tricky and sorry), to give us those capabilities.

3. exaggeration and sarcasm are hardly new on this board. I find some of the arguments against tricky and sorry, and what I perceive to be shock and disbelief at the firing of Mancini, as a bit over the trop ... bordering on absurd. Sometimes, I feel the desire to respond in kind.

I might attack someone's ideas, or use hyperbole and sarcasm in a lot of my posts, even during rational discussion ... that's just part of who I am. I'm not going to apologize for it, there is no offense meant and nothing malicious, even if people don't agree.

Since you said before in a previous post that I have failed to understand your position, would you mind laying it out for me again ... minus some of the emotional parts? I'm asking seriously, I'd just like to understand where you are and exactly what grievances you have.

[Tokyo Blue]

The owners are also capable of getting things wrong, just like the "suits", the manager, the players or anyone else.

It all comes back to what happens on the pitch.

[kinkylola]

Bob got very political,

That's utter bollock and make no sense.
Everyone who has followed Bob career since he was a player -as I carefully did - is aware that the mmain reason why Mancini will never become as good as a Ferguson is because he simply refuse to deal with political aspect of success in management.
He did since he feel out with Mantovani's brother - the former Sampdoria chaiman who treated him as a son - just because he deemed he was refusing to add the little needed to Sampdoria to build a serious title bid under the Sven's tenure. He just represented vehemently his opinion and simply left to Lazio.

Same happened at Inter and the same naive attitude has been used by the alliance of Marwood and the Spaniards to clear their comfort zone off him.

I am very much convinced that Mancini will never be a top successful manager at a Top Club, just because he is not good enough . if any good, to deal with the political aspect of the role.

i disagree with you saying he does not take part in the political aspect ... He does, he asks for power, takes power ... he undermines the position of people who he does not see as helpful (marwood). Unfortunately, while he does do somethings well, I don't believe he does politics well, which creates a lot of friction. He all gets magnified when results don't go your way too.

[Ted Hughes]

Bob got very political,

That's utter bollock and make no sense.
Everyone who has followed Bob career since he was a player -as I carefully did - is aware that the mmain reason why Mancini will never become as good as a Ferguson is because he simply refuse to deal with political aspect of success in management.
He did since he feel out with Mantovani's brother - the former Sampdoria chaiman who treated him as a son - just because he deemed he was refusing to add the little needed to Sampdoria to build a serious title bid under the Sven's tenure. He just represented vehemently his opinion and simply left to Lazio.

Same happened at Inter and the same naive attitude has been used by the alliance of Marwood and the Spaniards to clear their comfort zone off him.

I am very much convinced that Mancini will never be a top successful manager at a Top Club, just because he is not good enough . if any good, to deal with the political aspect of the role.

I didn't say he was any good at it, I think he's politically dead obvious & nasty with it & it has helped get him sacked, but he tried it constantly throughout his tenure. Note once again said he TRIED it, not that he was any good at it.

He said himself he wanted more power, he put his own people in whichever key areas he could, he went public criticising Marwood & the club & was still trying it with the poor woman who does the advertising when he was sacked. as if she could do anything for fuck's sake.

His comments got fans wound up joining in against Marwood & criticising the club's spending policy & his comments actually had moron fans slaughtering a woman who has fuck all to do with any top level actions by the club whatsoever, as if she has the power to make a club statement on his future without being told what to say by the bosses.

That is piss poor behaviour but it is 'political'.

If you don't consider that to be involving himself in club politics, that's upto you.

I do.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I didn't say he was any good at it, I think he's politically dead obvious & nasty with it & it has helped get him sacked, but he tried it constantly throughout his tenure. Note once again said he TRIED it, not that he was any good at it.

He said himself he wanted more power, he put his own people in whichever key areas he could, he went public criticising Marwood & the club & was still trying it with the poor woman who does the advertising when he was sacked. as if she could do anything for fuck's sake.

His comments got fans wound up joining in against Marwood & criticising the club's spending policy & his comments actually had moron fans slaughtering a woman who has fuck all to do with any top level actions by the club whatsoever, as if she has the power to make a club statement on his future without being told what to say by the bosses.

That is piss poor behaviour but it is 'political'.

If you don't consider that to be involving himself in club politics, that's upto you.

I do.

Agree completely. Political without a knack for it. Such a shame.