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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Im_Spartacus » Fri May 24, 2013 7:28 pm

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If it works like you think it will, I will be delighted.

I understand the purpose and necessity of a structure/philosophy, especially at youth level. But at senior squad level, that flexibility you talk about and the options we have in the squad will be extremely important. We have lacked that this year.


We have lacked it because for some reason we allowed Mancini to bring in players who could only ever fit one two very different sets of tactics, a 433 sort of attempt without wide players. and a radically different second one with wingbacks.

But those two tactics were like chalk and cheese, revolution from game to game rather than evolution. If the club want a 433 or variation thereof, then the director of football can implement a transfer strategy with the manager which gives the club flexibility to have defensive stability of 4 at the back (the biggest problem with our 2nd tactic under mancini), and ahead of that to have a group of players who can transition through a passing attacking style of 433, a defensive style of 451, or even a standard 442 with wingers.

Those options have been more than flexible enough for the most successful manager of our lifetime.

I see no reason why any manager couldnt operate successfully with that sort of framework, provided he and the director of football are on the same page with regards the positions and types of players the club needs at a given time.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby dazby » Sat May 25, 2013 9:15 am

I have stated in the past that I reckon about 12 managers would win trophies at City. I'm going to up it to 15 after what the club have said in the past few days.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby dazby » Sat May 25, 2013 9:16 am

I should say, 15 in Europe. There's probably another 30 or so geniuses around the world that could get us going also.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Ted Hughes » Sat May 25, 2013 9:41 am

dazby wrote:I should say, 15 in Europe. There's probably another 30 or so geniuses around the world that could get us going also.


Probably more than that now, but it wasn't the case pre Mancini imo. If one manager fails now, I think we'll just move on until the right one succeeds, & someone will; our system will allow it

It was neccessary for someone to do it first, & Mancini was an ideal choice for that job. I don't think it was an easy thing to change the mentality of the club at all, & I'm not sure that the best 'coaches' would have neccessarily achieved it . Mancini did something big there. Having said that, I think Mancini managed that with the FA Cup Semi Final win v the rags, so it's possible other coaches would have won the league, perhaps easier than he did. He did a big thing with our club's mentality though.

Ironically, Mancini has done the groundwork which made it possible to sack him & put this system in place. Now, it's an easier job.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Swales4ever » Sat May 25, 2013 10:17 am

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As it's stand now a top 3 final standing is the minimum requirement in order to avoid further disruption to the Club enhancement.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Slim » Sat May 25, 2013 10:25 pm

Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Im_Spartacus » Sat May 25, 2013 10:56 pm

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


Nope.

I've been convinced all season we had the players
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby dazby » Sat May 25, 2013 11:14 pm

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


No.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Risby » Sun May 26, 2013 9:03 am

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


From what I have heard and seen, he looks a promising addition to the club.

Players like him. He has a good awareness of tactical play and he has over achieved with each club he has been at apart from Madrid.

It will interesting to see what he does.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby ashton287 » Sun May 26, 2013 9:10 am

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


It is just underwhelming. With Chelsea getting mourinho it just seems too similar to us letting the rags sign van persie while we signed Sinclair and I just think it is going to give us the same result, I can't see a manager who has never managed in the prem and never won a trophy in a decent league coming out the blue to be an all conquering saviour.

If people were honest they would admit that, if he wasn't already being linked with us, they wouldn't even consider him as our next manager. No one would even mention his name. There isn't a single reason people can give as to why he should be our next manager. There is fuck all on his CV that suggests he is a top manager. All we hear is "he gets the players playing for him". It's complete bollocks.

The best thing he has ever done is got out of the group stage of the champions league, they didn't exactly set a shit easy group on fire either. They won 3 and drew 3. Then got knocked out. If they had real and Dortmund in their group that wouldn't of happened.

I just can't understand what he has done that makes him the man for us.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Wooders » Sun May 26, 2013 9:22 am

I am Slim
Its well known thar mancios style didnt make the most of our players - i really think pellegrini will get the best - all the people who are underwhelmed that we didnt get mourinho need to chill - mourinho fucked up with real madrid as well, yet no-one seems to be on his back for it
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Dronny » Sun May 26, 2013 9:29 am

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


No deal signed according to SSN, having said that I'm keen on any new manager coming in to see what they can do
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby CuteMancs » Sun May 26, 2013 9:55 am

Dronny wrote:
Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


No deal signed according to SSN, having said that I'm keen on any new manager coming in to see what they can do


According to Jason Burt in The Telegraph ( who is in NY with the team ), they are hoping to announce him next week as soon as his last game is over. Personally, I just want to see something announced...anything !

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/footba ... alaga.html
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby craigmcfc » Sun May 26, 2013 10:01 am

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


When his name was first mentioned I have to be honest, I knew nothing about him, except he was some bloke managing Malaga. But the stuff I've read over the last fortnight about him, from his former players, current players, other managers in the game and respected journalists like Ballague, I have to say I'm really looking forward to seeing what he can do with the squad we have, plus any new additions. Especially if the plan is to play attacking football too.

I didn't want Mancini sacked, especially not in the way he was, but I'm already looking forward to what the new season will bring.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Cit.revenge » Sun May 26, 2013 10:06 am

So we are close how much is there any guess ?Him Isco and fom what i saw last night Reus and some DM i do not know quality of Shatar Brasilian but with that four and maybe one more not such a big name but good player i would be more then please.
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Socrates » Sun May 26, 2013 10:20 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
Probably more than that now, but it wasn't the case pre Mancini imo. If one manager fails now, I think we'll just move on until the right one succeeds, & someone will; our system will allow it

It was neccessary for someone to do it first, & Mancini was an ideal choice for that job. I don't think it was an easy thing to change the mentality of the club at all, & I'm not sure that the best 'coaches' would have neccessarily achieved it . Mancini did something big there. Having said that, I think Mancini managed that with the FA Cup Semi Final win v the rags, so it's possible other coaches would have won the league, perhaps easier than he did. He did a big thing with our club's mentality though.

Ironically, Mancini has done the groundwork which made it possible to sack him & put this system in place. Now, it's an easier job.


I think you have it right. He did change the club and turned us into winners. The raised expectations were also part of his downfall, as well as the perceived unsuitability to the new system (rightly or wrongly). Few coaches could have taken such a new squad and won the league so quickly and we should all remember his time with fondness and some gratitude. Time to move on and hope the next guy is as successful!
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun May 26, 2013 10:23 am

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Ted Hughes wrote:
Probably more than that now, but it wasn't the case pre Mancini imo. If one manager fails now, I think we'll just move on until the right one succeeds, & someone will; our system will allow it

It was neccessary for someone to do it first, & Mancini was an ideal choice for that job. I don't think it was an easy thing to change the mentality of the club at all, & I'm not sure that the best 'coaches' would have neccessarily achieved it . Mancini did something big there. Having said that, I think Mancini managed that with the FA Cup Semi Final win v the rags, so it's possible other coaches would have won the league, perhaps easier than he did. He did a big thing with our club's mentality though.

Ironically, Mancini has done the groundwork which made it possible to sack him & put this system in place. Now, it's an easier job.


I think you have it right. He did change the club and turned us into winners. The raised expectations were also part of his downfall, as well as the perceived unsuitability to the new system (rightly or wrongly). Few coaches could have taken such a new squad and won the league so quickly and we should all remember his time with fondness and some gratitude. Time to move on and hope the next guy is as successful!

If Grinho gives us half the joy of that fabled day then I'll be one happy clapper ;-)
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun May 26, 2013 10:08 pm

We're all adamant that it's Grinho next in the saddle, and it maybe so, but what confuses me is why Barca leaked this story, as we've been led to believe?

Apparently Barca let it slip because it suited their needs as they were in for him, yet he chose us? It might just be me but why would Pellers choose us over Barca, and even more so, why were Barca in for a manager that hasn't really proved, especially at Real?

Apparently, Grinho still hasn't decided. Would we sack a PL winning manager just on a whim?
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby trueblue64 » Sun May 26, 2013 10:55 pm

Barry: "They [City chiefs] have told the players the new manager will be announced in between 10 days and two weeks." #mcfc
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Re: Pelligini's Targets

Postby john68 » Mon May 27, 2013 5:50 am

Slim wrote:Am I the only one who is quite excited to see what Pellegrini can do with this side?


I sincerely want to be mate and if it was a simple straight manager for manager swap, I would be more hopeful.

I have this nagging doubt that whoever we get, no matter how able or talented, will be forced to work within parameters set for him by his masters. It seems already decided that the "Holistic City Way" will be 4:3:3, from U9s to the 1st team. If that is the case, I wonder just how much room any new manager will have to impose his own thinking on tactics etc.

I'd be interested to read your thoughts.
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