Friday's B*l**x

[brite blu sky]

It was a fucking kickaround...

2) Karim Rekik has gone completely to shit & is a shadow of the player he was at 15.

You think he's gone to shit because he played average in "a fucking kickaround"?!

So what if he couldn't get a game at Blackburn, they are a fucking clueless chicken club!! He has not "gone completely to shit" because you saw him play one half of a meaningless friendly on a baseball field!

How you can actually come out with this shit is incredible.

I bet you have no fucking idea what Karim was good at, bad at or indifferent at, or which areas of his game he needed to improve or whether there is any difference in how he plays now compared to previously, whether he was quick, slow, good in the air, strong, a good tackler, read the game or in short, I bet you know fuck all about him.

And yes, he has been doing fuck all at Blackburn, which could be part of the reason he looks so far off it, or it could be something to do with the injury he had, or growth because of his age, or whatever. Either way, he was very good & someone I had big hopes for & right now he's shite & looks lacking in most of the things he was good at. I hope he gets them back but right now, he's not the same player, not even close.

great post Ted, I see you didn't get a proper answer.

[Swales4ever]

Bob got very political,

That's utter bollock and make no sense.
Everyone who has followed Bob career since he was a player -as I carefully did - is aware that the mmain reason why Mancini will never become as good as a Ferguson is because he simply refuse to deal with political aspect of success in management.
He did since he feel out with Mantovani's brother - the former Sampdoria chaiman who treated him as a son - just because he deemed he was refusing to add the little needed to Sampdoria to build a serious title bid under the Sven's tenure. He just represented vehemently his opinion and simply left to Lazio.

Same happened at Inter and the same naive attitude has been used by the alliance of Marwood and the Spaniards to clear their comfort zone off him.

I am very much convinced that Mancini will never be a top successful manager at a Top Club, just because he is not good enough . if any good, to deal with the political aspect of the role.

I didn't say he was any good at it, I think he's politically dead obvious & nasty with it & it has helped get him sacked, but he tried it constantly throughout his tenure. Note once again said he TRIED it, not that he was any good at it.

He said himself he wanted more power, he put his own people in whichever key areas he could, he went public criticising Marwood & the club & was still trying it with the poor woman who does the advertising when he was sacked. as if she could do anything for fuck's sake.

His comments got fans wound up joining in against Marwood & criticising the club's spending policy & his comments actually had moron fans slaughtering a woman who has fuck all to do with any top level actions by the club whatsoever, as if she has the power to make a club statement on his future without being told what to say by the bosses.

That is piss poor behaviour but it is 'political'.

If you don't consider that to be involving himself in club politics, that's upto you.

I do.

Why the hell should I bother to argue on a meaningless point, particularly now that's all over?
Why should I even care to reply that you have just enhanced my point on that Mancini is just a footballer who would love to find a Club, wealthy and wise enough, which may back his desire to establish his own idea of football to global domination. Bob simply couldn't care less to engage himself in a power trade, because he is just a naive, old fashioned footballer.

I see You love Your Club to be run by power brokers instead of a football manager.
I see You maintain Your "opinion" that it's good and healthy for a Club to have a sporting director who do not achieve pretty none of the players targets by his supposed boss, as the football manager of an English Club has always been deemed. I see You love and are fast and furious to back the use of such failures to paint the manager of Your Club as a loser, while the oppositions were enforced with the targets the manager aimed at.
I see that You now enhance this very funny opinion of You, trying to put into the equation a spicy slice of political un-correctness on the arrogant Mancini, who dared to assualt a poor little woman - incidentally earning money for supposedly and professionally establish a positive bias towards the Club and the manager efforts to enhance the Club - who was right to spread uncontrolled voices aptly created to undermine the manager authority with players, instead.

I also see that You have had a sudden U turn, from the pretended position of unbiased pundit only caring for progress, to faithfull believer in ruthless yuppies.
You must pardon me, but I'll keep your opinion in higher regard when I'll have seen You starting half the hundred "out threads" You have patronized all along Mancini's tenure about these geezers You have now fallen in love at first sight, apparently.

No matter how many Brite Blue Skies You are gonna hire to lick You out, Mate.
You are well aware that I keep Your football nose and ability to read played football in utmost esteem, when unbiased and not deemed to back Your sentiments only.

Me. You, We all City fans shall be delighted, if and when these blokes which now have warmed all the hearts of the former Mancini outers will have proved You and all other haters right, but as it stands now they have just proved good at running riots for personal purposes.
Now it's time to stop talking, stalking the removed manager and ACT for the real progress of MCFC, which I have no doubts on that is the only which commonly matters to me and You.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I didn't say he was any good at it, I think he's politically dead obvious & nasty with it & it has helped get him sacked, but he tried it constantly throughout his tenure. Note once again said he TRIED it, not that he was any good at it.

He said himself he wanted more power, he put his own people in whichever key areas he could, he went public criticising Marwood & the club & was still trying it with the poor woman who does the advertising when he was sacked. as if she could do anything for fuck's sake.

His comments got fans wound up joining in against Marwood & criticising the club's spending policy & his comments actually had moron fans slaughtering a woman who has fuck all to do with any top level actions by the club whatsoever, as if she has the power to make a club statement on his future without being told what to say by the bosses.

That is piss poor behaviour but it is 'political'.

If you don't consider that to be involving himself in club politics, that's upto you.

I do.

I'm with this post, in it's essence at least. Bob is or was a very obstinate fellow. It might be that he didn't deem his own actions or interviews to be out of place but he ventured into a territory that made his place here with us untenable.

[bigblue]

great post Ted, I see you didn't get a proper answer.

Get your head out his ass. The post was a load of shit and answered twice.

[JamieMCFC]

Get your head out his ass. The post was a load of shit and answered twice.

[zuricity]

The owners are also capable of getting things wrong, just like the "suits", the manager, the players or anyone else.

It all comes back to what happens on the pitch.

If pixie and dixie applied for their respective jobs in an open jobs market.The way 99.9% of us do, they would not get a look in.
We have an incredibly rich owner, puting yes men in key positions,

[Cocacolajojo1]

The owners are also capable of getting things wrong, just like the "suits", the manager, the players or anyone else.

It all comes back to what happens on the pitch.

This. They don't have super powers. They make misjudgments and they will make miscalculations. Sometimes I feel we ascribe the mystical entity that is the sheikh a type of divine foresight.

We would do well to remain grateful towards our owner but at the same time, always sceptical.

Onwards and upwards (while always keeping an eye out)?

[ant london]

If pixie and dixie applied for their respective jobs in an open jobs market.The way 99.9% of us do, they would not get a look in.
We have an incredibly rich owner, puting yes men in key positions,

So you think that the two men who were instrumental in taking the commercial and sporting fortunes of FC Barcelona (ie. the pre-eminent club in Europe over the past 5 years or so) to another level wouldn't secure top top footballing jobs if they applied in an "open market". Really???

[Swales4ever]

Bob is or was a very obstinate fellow. It might be that he didn't deem his own actions or interviews to be out of place but he ventured into a territory that made his place here with us untenable.

Yes Matey.
that's what we are being told to believe.

What I think is that the likes of David Gill and Peter Kenyon, particularly, must feel themselves very stupid for having provided their football manager with the best press they could grant and, more importantly, not to have spared a single effort to provide the players Ferguson was asking to build on the team.

Ultimately I think we should all feel as Slim says. very excited to see what the new coach can do with this team and the few adjustments that has been constantly denied to the removed manager.
Even if few people may find it hard when reading - from the usual desperate suspects - the steady disgusting stalking at the manager, whose only sin has been to fight hard to challenge the mediocrity widespread all around our Great Club, that NOT by unfortunate chance had been languished into mediocrity for such a remarkable long time, before Mancini, the arrogant badmouther of nice blonde ladies changed it, by constantly claiming for professionalism and hard working at the Club levels and departments.

[Socrates]

This. They don't have super powers. They make misjudgments and they will make miscalculations. Sometimes I feel we ascribe the mystical entity that is the sheikh a type of divine foresight.

We would do well to remain grateful towards our owner but at the same time, always sceptical.

Onwards and upwards (while always keeping an eye out)?

That I can agree with. I am more sceptical now than before but that is probably healthy.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Yes Matey.
that's what we are being told to believe.

What I think is that the likes of David Gill and Peter Kenyon, particularly, must feel themselves very stupid for having provided their football manager with the best press they could grant and, more importantly, not to have spared a single effort to provide the players Ferguson was asking to build on the team.

Ultimately I think we should all feel as Slim says. very excited to see what the new coach can do with this team and the few adjustments that has been constantly denied to the removed manager.
Even if few people may find it hard when reading - from the usual desperate suspects - the steady disgusting stalking at the manager, whose only sin has been to fight hard to challenge the mediocrity widespread all around our Great Club, that NOT by unfortunate chance had been languished into mediocrity for such a remarkable long time, before Mancini, the arrogant badmouther of nice blonde ladies changed it, by constantly claiming for professionalism and hard working at the Club levels and departments.

Yes you are right that we shouldn't by all of these stories about the breakdown in the dressing room, but at the same time we, both supporters of mancini before he came to man city, know that he is a man of controversy and has had several strained relationships with owners of clubs he has managed. It isn't a coincidence. Or the lawsuits that are still going on with some supporters of
Fiorentina

As I see it, the stuff he said during the season made it necessary for him to win something in the end, in order to make it hard for tricky and co to fire him. He didn't and ended up making himself vulnerable. Regardless whether he was right or wrong in saying and doing what he did.

[Ted Hughes]

Bob got very political,

That's utter bollock and make no sense.
Everyone who has followed Bob career since he was a player -as I carefully did - is aware that the mmain reason why Mancini will never become as good as a Ferguson is because he simply refuse to deal with political aspect of success in management.
He did since he feel out with Mantovani's brother - the former Sampdoria chaiman who treated him as a son - just because he deemed he was refusing to add the little needed to Sampdoria to build a serious title bid under the Sven's tenure. He just represented vehemently his opinion and simply left to Lazio.

Same happened at Inter and the same naive attitude has been used by the alliance of Marwood and the Spaniards to clear their comfort zone off him.

I am very much convinced that Mancini will never be a top successful manager at a Top Club, just because he is not good enough . if any good, to deal with the political aspect of the role.

I didn't say he was any good at it, I think he's politically dead obvious & nasty with it & it has helped get him sacked, but he tried it constantly throughout his tenure. Note once again said he TRIED it, not that he was any good at it.

He said himself he wanted more power, he put his own people in whichever key areas he could, he went public criticising Marwood & the club & was still trying it with the poor woman who does the advertising when he was sacked. as if she could do anything for fuck's sake.

His comments got fans wound up joining in against Marwood & criticising the club's spending policy & his comments actually had moron fans slaughtering a woman who has fuck all to do with any top level actions by the club whatsoever, as if she has the power to make a club statement on his future without being told what to say by the bosses.

That is piss poor behaviour but it is 'political'.

If you don't consider that to be involving himself in club politics, that's upto you.

I do.

Why the hell should I bother to argue on a meaningless point, particularly now that's all over?
Why should I even care to reply that you have just enhanced my point on that Mancini is just a footballer who would love to find a Club, wealthy and wise enough, which may back his desire to establish his own idea of football to global domination. Bob simply couldn't care less to engage himself in a power trade, because he is just a naive, old fashioned footballer.

I see You love Your Club to be run by power brokers instead of a football manager.
I see You maintain Your "opinion" that it's good and healthy for a Club to have a sporting director who do not achieve pretty none of the players targets by his supposed boss, as the football manager of an English Club has always been deemed. I see You love and are fast and furious to back the use of such failures to paint the manager of Your Club as a loser, while the oppositions were enforced with the targets the manager aimed at.
I see that You now enhance this very funny opinion of You, trying to put into the equation a spicy slice of political un-correctness on the arrogant Mancini, who dared to assualt a poor little woman - incidentally earning money for supposedly and professionally establish a positive bias towards the Club and the manager efforts to enhance the Club - who was right to spread uncontrolled voices aptly created to undermine the manager authority with players, instead.

I also see that You have had a sudden U turn, from the pretended position of unbiased pundit only caring for progress, to faithfull believer in ruthless yuppies.
You must pardon me, but I'll keep your opinion in higher regard when I'll have seen You starting half the hundred "out threads" You have patronized all along Mancini's tenure about these geezers You have now fallen in love at first sight, apparently.

No matter how many Brite Blue Skies You are gonna hire to lick You out, Mate.
You are well aware that I keep Your football nose and ability to read played football in utmost esteem, when unbiased and not deemed to back Your sentiments only.

Me. You, We all City fans shall be delighted, if and when these blokes which now have warmed all the hearts of the former Mancini outers will have proved You and all other haters right, but as it stands now they have just proved good at running riots for personal purposes.
Now it's time to stop talking, stalking the removed manager and ACT for the real progress of MCFC, which I have no doubts on that is the only which commonly matters to me and You.

Trust football managers to run our club ?? You must be fucking joking. I wouldn't trust one of them a fucking inch. They are self centred and egotistical.

Do I trust the Sheikh & his management team more than I trust Mancini ? Absofuckinglutely, I didn't trust Mancini at all & have repeatedly said so on here. Mancini likes us, but he only cares about Mancini. I like Mancini but I only care about City.

I would still have given him one more season, as I thought he would turn it round, but I no longer believe that & I now think the decision is correct. I knew the point was coming where Mancini would have to adapt to the way City want to operate, but I figured it would be further down the line & that he would meet them halfway for a couple of seasons, then leave & let the next man take it on.

I've made the point on here that he would be expected to start using more home grown players, at least on the bench, next season & that his kids are an insult to the club who devalue the whole system & would not be tolerated in the future.

I would have been happy for Mancini to stay for 20 years if he'd continued to learn & get with the aims of 'the project' but I was asking for this kind of setup at City before the Sheikh even took over. That's because I've seen what football managers do & the damage they can leave behind. I've never been arsed about instant success provided I think the club is going the right way.

I now think we are headed the right way & I'm delighted & excited by it, even if we win fuck all next season & sack the manager. I hope that's not the case though & he's still there in 5 years as I much prefer it that way.

[Swales4ever]

Bob got very political,

That's utter bollock and make no sense.
Everyone who has followed Bob career since he was a player -as I carefully did - is aware that the mmain reason why Mancini will never become as good as a Ferguson is because he simply refuse to deal with political aspect of success in management.
He did since he feel out with Mantovani's brother - the former Sampdoria chaiman who treated him as a son - just because he deemed he was refusing to add the little needed to Sampdoria to build a serious title bid under the Sven's tenure. He just represented vehemently his opinion and simply left to Lazio.

Same happened at Inter and the same naive attitude has been used by the alliance of Marwood and the Spaniards to clear their comfort zone off him.

I am very much convinced that Mancini will never be a top successful manager at a Top Club, just because he is not good enough . if any good, to deal with the political aspect of the role.

I didn't say he was any good at it, I think he's politically dead obvious & nasty with it & it has helped get him sacked, but he tried it constantly throughout his tenure. Note once again said he TRIED it, not that he was any good at it.

He said himself he wanted more power, he put his own people in whichever key areas he could, he went public criticising Marwood & the club & was still trying it with the poor woman who does the advertising when he was sacked. as if she could do anything for fuck's sake.

His comments got fans wound up joining in against Marwood & criticising the club's spending policy & his comments actually had moron fans slaughtering a woman who has fuck all to do with any top level actions by the club whatsoever, as if she has the power to make a club statement on his future without being told what to say by the bosses.

That is piss poor behaviour but it is 'political'.

If you don't consider that to be involving himself in club politics, that's upto you.

I do.

Why the hell should I bother to argue on a meaningless point, particularly now that's all over?
Why should I even care to reply that you have just enhanced my point on that Mancini is just a footballer who would love to find a Club, wealthy and wise enough, which may back his desire to establish his own idea of football to global domination. Bob simply couldn't care less to engage himself in a power trade, because he is just a naive, old fashioned footballer.

I see You love Your Club to be run by power brokers instead of a football manager.
I see You maintain Your "opinion" that it's good and healthy for a Club to have a sporting director who do not achieve pretty none of the players targets by his supposed boss, as the football manager of an English Club has always been deemed. I see You love and are fast and furious to back the use of such failures to paint the manager of Your Club as a loser, while the oppositions were enforced with the targets the manager aimed at.
I see that You now enhance this very funny opinion of You, trying to put into the equation a spicy slice of political un-correctness on the arrogant Mancini, who dared to assualt a poor little woman - incidentally earning money for supposedly and professionally establish a positive bias towards the Club and the manager efforts to enhance the Club - who was right to spread uncontrolled voices aptly created to undermine the manager authority with players, instead.

I also see that You have had a sudden U turn, from the pretended position of unbiased pundit only caring for progress, to faithfull believer in ruthless yuppies.
You must pardon me, but I'll keep your opinion in higher regard when I'll have seen You starting half the hundred "out threads" You have patronized all along Mancini's tenure about these geezers You have now fallen in love at first sight, apparently.

No matter how many Brite Blue Skies You are gonna hire to lick You out, Mate.
You are well aware that I keep Your football nose and ability to read played football in utmost esteem, when unbiased and not deemed to back Your sentiments only.

Me. You, We all City fans shall be delighted, if and when these blokes which now have warmed all the hearts of the former Mancini outers will have proved You and all other haters right, but as it stands now they have just proved good at running riots for personal purposes.
Now it's time to stop talking, stalking the removed manager and ACT for the real progress of MCFC, which I have no doubts on that is the only which commonly matters to me and You.

Trust football managers to run our club ?? You must be fucking joking. I wouldn't trust one of them a fucking inch. They are self centred and egotistical.

Do I trust the Sheikh & his management team more than I trust Mancini ? Absofuckinglutely, I didn't trust Mancini at all & have repeatedly said so on here. Mancini likes us, but he only cares about Mancini. I like Mancini but I only care about City.

I would still have given him one more season, as I thought he would turn it round, but I no longer believe that & I now think the decision is correct. I knew the point was coming where Mancini would have to adapt to the way City want to operate, but I figured it would be further down the line & that he would meet them halfway for a couple of seasons, then leave & let the next man take it on.

I've made the point on here that he would be expected to start using more home grown players, at least on the bench, next season & that his kids are an insult to the club who devalue the whole system & would not be tolerated in the future.

I would have been happy for Mancini to stay for 20 years if he'd continued to learn & get with the aims of 'the project' but I was asking for this kind of setup at City before the Sheikh even took over. That's because I've seen what football managers do & the damage they can leave behind. I've never been arsed about instant success provided I think the club is going the right way.

I now think we are headed the right way & I'm delighted & excited by it, even if we win fuck all next season & sack the manager. I hope that's not the case though & he's still there in 5 years as I much prefer it that way.

You know Shelock, I got few news for You:
this is Mancityfans Forum, and accordingly, EVERYONE on here only cares of MCFC.

As Slim and others, including Your own licking pet from Barcelona have tried and suggest, it's now over and would be better for everyone if we could move on and focus on our common passion for the Blues. This won't be possible if sycophant morons shall continue to twist the reality - which incidentally shall last in the Club history - with fucking inflammatory posts like Yours.
You are not the Pope of the Blues, so that this attitude of You at subtly implying that You are the only depositary of the Blue faith is frankly annoying. And if memory serves well, and frankly doesn't take much of it, You Sir, are the very first and most steady at badmouthering people at the Club.

Moreso annoying is Your dodgy attempts to twist and turn every angle of the Mancini-phobia: beside the well documented history towards the manager who reshaped City into a winning Club - from the tales of caretaker, to the catenacciaro obsessed with negative football filled with loads of defensive midfieders, up to the restlessly attempts at painting any substitution deemed to repossess control of the midfield as negative and clueless - what I find insulting, disgraceful and very cheap, are Your everyday regurgitation of spinned shite, like:
Mancini abused a lovely lady only caring to feed his family with her "honest"job.
Mancini abused players and everyone at the Club.
Marwood - yes, fucking clueless Marwood who won't ever get another job in professional football when dismissed by City - MUST take the merit of Mancini's acheivements.
and - my very favourite of Your all populist calls - "I only trust in the Holy Sheikh's munificent management", as if it was a Divine Truth your moronic assumption that was HRH Mansur the one who asked for Mancini's head, instead of the result of the trading pattern of Ferran Soriano, who his very well known to not have ever sparred any attempts, legal or borderline. in order to clear off his path to integral power.

Now, I keep on records that You have changed Your mind since when I joined the forum, and You were patronizing me on the unique effectiveness of the English model of running football Clubs through the strong and competent vision of a manager, featuring clear footballing direct experience and hard character - opinion which - yet for the records - I always and strongly agreed with.
You now have converted into the Faith for Yuppies and strongly plead for technical instability at the Club and constant turmoil which have proved so effective to keep City into starvation along the last four decades. Fair enough: a respectable opinion as anyone.

Ultimately, I have grown the solid convincement that the main pillar of Your own fun is to come on here and wind up people, or trying to show Yourself that You could have been the master of all Italian Populist Politicians in another life, but yet again, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON, You are kindly requested to stop stirring shite about a man who enhanced the Club - and made profitable the Sheikh's wide pouring of money into the Club - because You are not the only one capable of twisting facts as You please.

[Tokyo Blue]

If pixie and dixie applied for their respective jobs in an open jobs market.The way 99.9% of us do, they would not get a look in.
We have an incredibly rich owner, puting yes men in key positions,

So you think that the two men who were instrumental in taking the commercial and sporting fortunes of FC Barcelona (ie. the pre-eminent club in Europe over the past 5 years or so) to another level wouldn't secure top top footballing jobs if they applied in an "open market". Really???

Barcelona had already won 10 European trophies and a bewildering number of domestic cups before these two took over, plus they'd had Cruyff, Stoichkov and various other world stars of the game playing for them. There is a rather more work to do to raise City's profile and there is as yet no evidence that they are capable of it.

Reading some folk, you'd think these two geezers turned a Tranmere Rovers into a global football powerhouse. They didn't. They took an already highly successful model and improved it a bit.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Barcelona had already won 10 European trophies and a bewildering number of domestic cups before these two took over, plus they'd had Cruyff, Stoichkov and various other world stars of the game playing for them. There is a rather more work to do to raise City's profile and there is as yet no evidence that they are capable of it.

Reading some folk, you'd think these two geezers turned a Tranmere Rovers into a global football powerhouse. They didn't. They took an already highly successful model and improved it a bit.

Is that not what we need though?

We're a pretty successful club currently, needing a push into the very top tier.

[Tokyo Blue]

Barcelona had already won 10 European trophies and a bewildering number of domestic cups before these two took over, plus they'd had Cruyff, Stoichkov and various other world stars of the game playing for them. There is a rather more work to do to raise City's profile and there is as yet no evidence that they are capable of it.

Reading some folk, you'd think these two geezers turned a Tranmere Rovers into a global football powerhouse. They didn't. They took an already highly successful model and improved it a bit.

Is that not what we need though?

We're a pretty successful club currently, needing a push into the very top tier.

Barcelona's nose was already in the top trough. I don't think ours is quite yet, and even if I am wrong and it is, it has nothing at all all to do with these two Spanish blokes.

We will see what happens, I suppose. I hope they do what they say they are going to do but I have heard ducks fart before.

[kinkylola]

Barcelona had already won 10 European trophies and a bewildering number of domestic cups before these two took over, plus they'd had Cruyff, Stoichkov and various other world stars of the game playing for them. There is a rather more work to do to raise City's profile and there is as yet no evidence that they are capable of it.

Reading some folk, you'd think these two geezers turned a Tranmere Rovers into a global football powerhouse. They didn't. They took an already highly successful model and improved it a bit.

Is that not what we need though?

We're a pretty successful club currently, needing a push into the very top tier.

Barcelona's nose was already in the top trough. I don't think ours is quite yet, and even if I am wrong and it is, it has nothing at all all to do with these two Spanish blokes.

We will see what happens, I suppose. I hope they do what they say they are going to do but I have heard ducks fart before.

You're right in that these two are not proven miracle workers. BUT ... We obviously have a plan to implement some form of the Barca system at City. Accepting that, I think these 2 are the perfect people to do it.

[john68]

Kinkylola,

1)...Why do believe that Sorry and Tricky have made a "power grab" (your words)?
2)...Why do you believe that it is wrong to examine the football credentials of the person who will be the ultimate football controller at City and have the responsibility to design and develop the Holistic City way?
3)...Why do find it necessary to use exaggeration and sarcasm in a debate that is essentially rational?

All quite serious questions.

I'll answer John, but let's continue without any name calling from here on out ... civil like, good?

1. I don't think they have made a power grab, this is tied in with your 3rd question about sarcasm, i'm using this term sarcastically ... How could tricky and sorry make a power grab? They were appointed by our owners to be the guys with the power, no need to grab anything.

I fully understood that. That is why I NEVER made any reference to any power grab.that reference was actually made by SOMEONE ELSE. You were therefore WRONG to tag me with that term.

2. I don't believe it is wrong to 'examine' at all, but people have not been examining, they have been making blanket statements such as "these are not footballing men, they are suits." They've both already got some impressive footballing points on their CV, more so than you or I or anyone we are likely to encounter on this board. More important than that, they were trusted and appointed by our owner, and I believe they have the desire and ability to take our club where it should be. I also believe that abilities not related to footballing matters will be needed to achieve this, and we've finally got the final places in piece (tricky and sorry), to give us those capabilities.

3. exaggeration and sarcasm are hardly new on this board. I find some of the arguments against tricky and sorry, and what I perceive to be shock and disbelief at the firing of Mancini, as a bit over the trop ... bordering on absurd. Sometimes, I feel the desire to respond in kind.

I might attack someone's ideas, or use hyperbole and sarcasm in a lot of my posts, even during rational discussion ... that's just part of who I am. I'm not going to apologize for it, there is no offense meant and nothing malicious, even if people don't agree.

Since you said before in a previous post that I have failed to understand your position, would you mind laying it out for me again ... minus some of the emotional parts? I'm asking seriously, I'd just like to understand where you are and exactly what grievances you have.

The same question was asked by Hazy and I responded in full. Giving evidence, history and reasons as to why the issue should be EXAMINED AND QUESTIONED. I clearly stated my position over 2 unemotional and very rational posts. My irritation and anger was with those who TWISTED my words and then accused me of holding the opposite view than that posted.
I have no intention of wasting my time rewriting what was a long and thorough piece. Should you wish to make the effort, It is all there for you.

I will address the points you make here about Sorry. I have no problem with believing in his ability to do the job (NOR EVER STATED ANY) he has been employed to do at City. His record at Barca is good evidence that he has the wherewithall to succeed in expanding our commercial side and increasing our global brand (though his record at Spanair may cause doubts).
The only point I made regarding Sorry was in the light of what happened at the swamp and some of the commercial strategies used there to increase income when they were going through this very same process. Many local and long serving supporters were left disenfranchised and priced out as increasing numbers of tickets were removed from the OPEN MARKET and sold through CORPORATE and HOSPITALITY PACKAGES (Travel agencies and such like). THAT CITY FANS SHOULD REMAIN ALERT TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING TO US. Please don't assume that to mean I am saying it will.

My view of Tricky is one of OPEN MINDEDNESS. Neither for nor against (as some seem to assume), but certainly worth examining considering the historic and different circumstances we find ourselves in. The removal of Mancini was NOT simply the removal of one manager to be replaced by another. There were/are other major implications.
The role of manager has now been exchanged for that of coach and the ultimate power of all football decision making at City will rest with Tricky. No matter what the qualifications or abilities of a new coach (Pellegrini?), he will be answerable to someone who could well be less knowledgable about football strategies and tactics. That is well worth examining.
Tricky is now in sole charge of not only administering football at City but also and extremely importantly, designing and laying the foundations of the Holistic City Way. Though we know he was successful at Barca when administering their system, he played NO PART whatsoever in designing or founding it. That is an issue that certainly should be examined.

Your assumption that it must be ok because we can trust Sheik Mansour's judgement on this matter is also worthy of examination. Our esteemed Sheik is a businessman, he is NOT a football man. I would suggest their are some on here who are possibly more knowledgeable about football than our Sheik.

Several pages on this board have been dedicated to questioning and examining the record, qualities and abilities of Pellegrini and quite rightly so. So why when I suggest that we should do similar and examine the guy above him is it considered ridiculous and assumed I am against him?

Maybe someone with the mentality of of a 5 year old would...eh Sparty?

[Alioune DVToure]

You know Shelock, I got few news for You:
this is Mancityfans Forum, and accordingly, EVERYONE on here only cares of MCFC

The way most of your posts have gone since the Mancini sacking, coupled with your nationality, former username and bizarrely sarcastic current username, I'm beginning to wonder if you actually mean what you say above.

I wanted Mancini to stay, and for the long term too. But that isn't to say that he didn't make a lot of mistakes last season. Moreover, he came in completely unrepentant at the way he got the job (being hired while his predecessor was still going about his business), saying this was 'normal in football'. I can only imagine he's equally philosophical about the way it ended for him, and so should you be.

If you're genuinely excited about what the future holds, it's time to stop charging around the board picking fights about Mancini.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

The way most of your posts have gone since the Mancini sacking, coupled with your nationality, former username and bizarrely sarcastic current username, I'm beginning to wonder if you actually mean what you say above.

I wanted Mancini to stay, and for the long term too. But that isn't to say that he didn't make a lot of mistakes last season. Moreover, he came in completely unrepentant at the way he got the job (being hired while his predecessor was still going about his business), saying this was 'normal in football'. I can only imagine he's equally philosophical about the way it ended for him, and so should you be.

If you're genuinely excited about what the future holds, it's time to stop charging around the board picking fights about Mancini.

I've been trying to find a nice way to say what you just did all week.

Well played.