Soriano

[Ted Hughes]

I'd like the players to be the ones who do the talking - on the pitch. Too much gobbing off has been done at City over the last few years.

Surely you are not suggesting Soriano has been 'gobbing off' ?

It's the first time the cunt's opened his mouth. I didn't even know if he spoke with fucking sign language.

Any fucking idiot can say what they are going to do. They need to get something done and then talk about it afterwards. Since they came in we have won nothing. The bloke they have just got rid of won three trophies.

Well I for one, found it just about the most interesting, exciting & positive thing anyone at City has ever said. And since they came in, it's true, Mancini has won nothing. Perhaps he should have begged Marwood to stay on, as he won 3 trophies with Marwood ?

Or perhaps it has fuck all to do with them, or Marwood, & we were just boderline shite this season, with a squad of class players ?

[Saul Goodman]

"You can’t go to the market every year and buy the most expensive players. That’s not to say we won’t be signing expensive players. We will.
‘But the objective — the vision — is to have a team where at least half of the players will be home grown City players."

This never would've happened under Mancini. All he wanted to do was buy buy buy.

[Dubaimancityfan]

Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.

Was it not just the case that someone leaked a story about pellegrini? What on earth reason would anyone on the mcfc side of the fence want to do that for?

As far as i'm concerned THEY didnt do anything, other than get found out at an inopportune time. If stories are to be believed, we have been talking to pellegrini since the new year, so it is just pure bad luck, or malevolance on the part of some other party in the deal, which has caused that story to break when it did.

Whichever way it happened it didn't help in the buildup for the FA Cup Final and certainly Mancini was not in a great mood after seeing the club making no comments about the rumors. In the end his heart was not in it in the last match he took charge of our team and made bad decisions (consciously or unconsciously) that cost us the chance to get a trophy this season. How else would you explain his decision to take off Tevez with 20 minutes to go while we were looking for a goal ?

[Beefymcfc]

Before the Soriano love in at a few of his quotes continues, just remember that him the other Spaniard and Khaldoon behaviour prior to the cup final, went a long way to undermining our manager, ruining preparation in the 24 hrs before the game and casting a cloud over one of the biggest days of the season.

They have to do a lot to redeem themselves. With Pellegrinis record and the lack of trophies, the jury is well and truly out.

Was it not just the case that someone leaked a story about pellegrini? What on earth reason would anyone on the mcfc side of the fence want to do that for?

As far as i'm concerned THEY didnt do anything, other than get found out at an inopportune time. If stories are to be believed, we have been talking to pellegrini since the new year, so it is just pure bad luck, or malevolance on the part of some other party in the deal, which has caused that story to break when it did.

Whichever way it happened it didn't help in the buildup for the FA Cup Final and certainly Mancini was not in a great mood after seeing the club making no comments about the rumors. In the end his heart was not in it in the last match he took charge of our team and made bad decisions (consciously or unconsciously) that cost us the chance to get a trophy this season. How else would you explain his decision to take off Tevez with 20 minutes to go while we were looking for a goal ?

It was a ridiculous time to not back the manager and team. Rumours had been circulating, as IS says, since the new year with a source coming from Chile. We then had the 'Meet with the Agent' issue before Mark Ogden decided to force the issue prior to the FA Cup final. The club refused to comment on the issue, not even a 'We are in full support of all the staff in this important time' to keep the wolves at bay.

Not of this was unfortunate as it had been planned for quite a while. Mancini didn't help himself in the situation by not getting the best out of the team and he'd still have gone even if he'd have won the FA Cup. It definately didn't help us and even by dropping 10% concentration, it helped Wigan no end.

Sorriano has sold our owners a dream (The Future's Blue) and Mancini isn't part of that plan, it's the DoF who is the most important figure, although he cannot be the face.

On another note, I've not really heard any bad-mothing of Mancini from any quarters, more specualtion from those who pretend to have inside info. I was also told that Mancini was due to walk and an agreement was already in place. Seems that the truth was that Duncan Castles got it right when he found out about the Pelligrini interest. Mancini was a 'Dead Man Walking'.

[Im_Spartacus]

Whichever way it happened it didn't help in the buildup for the FA Cup Final and certainly Mancini was not in a great mood after seeing the club making no comments about the rumors. In the end his heart was not in it in the last match he took charge of our team and made bad decisions (consciously or unconsciously) that cost us the chance to get a trophy this season. How else would you explain his decision to take off Tevez with 20 minutes to go while we were looking for a goal ?

Agree with you except for the last point

Mancini has made fucking idiotic decisions like that throughout his city career, but I don't think he did it out of any spite, I'm fairly sure he wanted to win that game as a fuck you to the top brass, which unfortunately, leaves that substitution either down to incompetence or a grudge he just can't get over

[Cocacolajojo1]

I'd like the players to be the ones who do the talking - on the pitch. Too much gobbing off has been done at City over the last few years.

Surely you are not suggesting Soriano has been 'gobbing off' ?

It's the first time the cunt's opened his mouth. I didn't even know if he spoke with fucking sign language.

Any fucking idiot can say what they are going to do. They need to get something done and then talk about it afterwards. Since they came in we have won nothing. The bloke they have just got rid of won three trophies.

I think you're over-reacting a bit. Fine, there are some sly digs towards what Mancini achieved in that interview but at the same time, it seems to be a very sound and nuanced plan on how to run the club. And of course he has to distance himself from Mancini's criticism. I still don't think it's provocative. Perhaps he's comment on our title win, but it could also be read as a recognition of the magic of the moment with the same comment as I would say, it was great but never again, please.

As you say, it's all about how it works out. Hughes were given lots of support, lots of cash and there was an endless talk of the "project". Then he was fired a bit knee-jerky and the talk of the project was canned for three and and half years. Now the term's back. Perhaps it will actually mean something this time?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Any fucking idiot can say what they are going to do. They need to get something done and then talk about it afterwards. Since they came in we have won nothing. The bloke they have just got rid of won three trophies.

Possibly the most illogical and tenuous arguement that even the biggest Mancini apologist coukd present.

Lets get this clear, Mancini won't be missed, we will be successful. Without Mansour, the whole thing grinds to a halt and we'd be lucky to get Hughes to manage us next.

[Beefymcfc]

Any fucking idiot can say what they are going to do. They need to get something done and then talk about it afterwards. Since they came in we have won nothing. The bloke they have just got rid of won three trophies.

Possibly the most illogical and tenuous arguement that even the biggest Mancini apologist coukd present.

Lets get this clear, Mancini won't be missed, we will be successful. Without Mansour, the whole thing grinds to a halt and we'd be lucky to get Hughes to manage us next.

It's all about opinion and it's not clear that Mancini will be missed. In fact, I'm missing him already.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

It's all about opinion and it's not clear that Mancini will be missed. In fact, I'm missing him already.

Ahh how touching. Ha ha
Anyway answer me this yer Sunday dinner type person, who would rather do without? Mansour or Mancini?

[Yaya Toure is a LAD]

Who? Original Dub? Risby? Soriano?

Err, your choice

[Swales4ever]

It's all about opinion and it's not clear that Mancini will be missed. In fact, I'm missing him already.

Ahh how touching. Ha ha
Anyway answer me this yer Sunday dinner type person, who would rather do without? Mansour or Mancini?

You really are a pathetic sod if You truelllllly think that anyone, bar Ted on his most egomaniac overflowing, can buy this "It had to The Holy Sheikh or Mancini"...

By the way, as per the very dodgy sense of logic You were are babbling about, if maths is still laying underneath logic, what about those morons who have just dug into their pocket to advertise their regret in the most expensive Italian paper?'

I'd rather have that Mancini won't be missed by a couple of idiot who are only capable to conceive that football is about teamwork and not about lining up 10 strikers in front of a keeper. And obviously won't also be missed by those at the Club whose lack of professionalism let them perceive the Mancini's appetite for success as a serious threat for their own comfort zone.

[DoomMerchant]

You really are a pathetic sod if You truelllllly think that anyone, bar Ted on his most egomaniac overflowing, can buy this "It had to The Holy Sheikh or Mancini"...

By the way, as per the very dodgy sense of logic You were are babbling about, if maths is still laying underneath logic, what about those morons who have just dug into their pocket to advertise their regret in the most expensive Italian paper?'

I'd rather have that Mancini won't be missed by a couple of idiot who are only capable to conceive that football is about teamwork and not about lining up 10 strikers in front of a keeper. And obviously won't also be missed by those at the Club whose lack of professionalism let them perceive the Mancini's appetite for success as a serious threat for their own comfort zone.

I really wish you'd have fucked off with mancini. I really do.

[Swales4ever]

You really are a pathetic sod if You truelllllly think that anyone, bar Ted on his most egomaniac overflowing, can buy this "It had to The Holy Sheikh or Mancini"...

By the way, as per the very dodgy sense of logic You were are babbling about, if maths is still laying underneath logic, what about those morons who have just dug into their pocket to advertise their regret in the most expensive Italian paper?'

I'd rather have that Mancini won't be missed by a couple of idiot who are only capable to conceive that football is about teamwork and not about lining up 10 strikers in front of a keeper. And obviously won't also be missed by those at the Club whose lack of professionalism let them perceive the Mancini's appetite for success as a serious threat for their own comfort zone.

I really wish you'd have fucked off with mancini. I really do.

I really wish You had joined some Neo-Nazi party and fucked off to focus Your documented hatered on the burning of Bosnians and other Refugees. I really do.
Life can be so disappointing at times.

[kinkylola]

It's really interesting to me how some people seem to be having absolute breakdowns since Mancini has gone and Sorry and Tricky have come to the fore ... must be something in the water. I'm not complaining mind you, it's great entertainment.

"Miss" for Mancini isn't the right word. I'm extremely thankful for the time and titles that Mancini gave us. He'll never be forgotten, and he is a modern City legend as far as Managers go, that final emergence from the dark after so many years.

There are a lot of posters here who agree with "the new 2" that Mancini wasn't the person to take us beyond that emergence, into a sustained period of success ... I'm among them.

I won't miss Mancini, but I will always have a special place for him and for the title winning team, and the way we played. Great stuff and Mancini deserves great thanks for that effort ... which is what i believe the newspaper ad was about; a Thank you, not a we miss you. The stuff that went down this past season is certainly not something to miss.

If we elevate the team further, bring back some beautiful play and win something next year ... Mancini won't be missed by even the most ardent tricky and sorry hater.

[Tokyo Blue]

Just because someone is yet to be convinced does not mean they "hate" the two Spaniards. This oversimplification of the situation is puerile and stupid.

I can't believe I am having to point the blindingly obvious out to grown men.

[john68]

Much of what you say there is true Kinky, most City fans, even quite short term ones have long since got used to the revolving door of managers, some loved, some hated.

Now that Mancini has gone, the point is moot. The past is the past and the future is what matters. I think some like Piccs have possibly been too busy celebrating on their bouncy castles to understand that the real issue has now moved from Mancini.

I do wonder just how much Piccs actually understands or knows about the guy who now controls football at City or the system that is being embedded at our club and will define it for the foreseeable future.

[kinkylola]

Just because someone is yet to be convinced does not mean they "hate" the two Spaniards. This oversimplification of the situation is puerile and stupid.

I can't believe I am having to point the blindingly obvious out to grown men.

I literally meant 'hate' as much as other people meant that someone literally 'licked' hughes or mancini for that matter. The term 'hater' does not imply hatred. The point is that there are people who do not like the two spaniards, not necessarily on a personal level ... but potentially in a professional sense, or as regards their operations at city.

Let's not get ridiculous here fellas ... but it's funny that I also can't believe I have to point this out to a grown man.

[kinkylola]

Much of what you say there is true Kinky, most City fans, even quite short term ones have long since got used to the revolving door of managers, some loved, some hated.

Now that Mancini has gone, the point is moot. The past is the past and the future is what matters. I think some like Piccs have possibly been too busy celebrating on their bouncy castles to understand that the real issue has now moved from Mancini.

I do wonder just how much Piccs actually understands or knows about the guy who now controls football at City or the system that is being embedded at our club and will define it for the foreseeable future.

John, I agree the issue has moved from Mancini ... and from now on, whoever becomes our manager will have to share some spotlight with the guy(s) upstairs. But if we are trying to achieve a model where the club runs in unison, on the same page, from top to bottom ... that necessitates the power being at the very top, in this case, tricky and/or sorry (not fully clear on their interaction/levels of power). It can't be a step or 2 below that (the manager), because there are issues to be considered beyond the (still very important) competitive issues. domestic FFP for example. That will take a concerted effort to navigate effectively, even if euro FFP never even gets started.

Unfortunately, the powers that be (FA) have created this situation, whereby what a team can do on the pitch is severely limited by their commercial ability ... so we have to have someone to integrate commercial and on-field success.

I feel that there is a contingent that is against tricky and sorry and what they represent (i'm not pointing fingers and I don't think it's anything to be ashamed of or ridiculed for in any way), but I admit that I do not fully understand what the objection is ... though I would like to.

So, just as you question that Piccs may not fully understand the nature of the man now in power, I would pose the same question of the people who oppose/disagree/what have you with that man as well.

[john68]

Just because someone is yet to be convinced does not mean they "hate" the two Spaniards. This oversimplification of the situation is puerile and stupid.

I can't believe I am having to point the blindingly obvious out to grown men.

I literally meant 'hate' as much as other people meant that someone literally 'licked' hughes or mancini for that matter. The term 'hater' does not imply hatred. The point is that there are people who do not like the two spaniards, not necessarily on a personal level ... but potentially in a professional sense, or as regards their operations at city.

Let's not get ridiculous here fellas ... but it's funny that I also can't believe I have to point this out to a grown man.

You are right Kinky, the word HATE does not imply HATRED...it actually defines it as HATRED...They are in every sense the same word.
I wonder why you find it funny that you have to point out that you really didn't mean what you said or that you can't believe why someone responded to the actual words you wrote.
You did similar to me and that is why you drew a similar response Mate.

It makes any rational discussion or debate impossible when one is posting what they mean and the other what they don't mean.

[kinkylola]

Just because someone is yet to be convinced does not mean they "hate" the two Spaniards. This oversimplification of the situation is puerile and stupid.

I can't believe I am having to point the blindingly obvious out to grown men.

I literally meant 'hate' as much as other people meant that someone literally 'licked' hughes or mancini for that matter. The term 'hater' does not imply hatred. The point is that there are people who do not like the two spaniards, not necessarily on a personal level ... but potentially in a professional sense, or as regards their operations at city.

Let's not get ridiculous here fellas ... but it's funny that I also can't believe I have to point this out to a grown man.

You are right Kinky, the word HATE does not imply HATRED...it actually defines it as HATRED...They are in every sense the same word.
I wonder why you find it funny that you have to point out that you really didn't mean what you said or that you can't believe why someone responded to the actual words you wrote.
You did similar to me and that is why you drew a similar response Mate.

It makes any rational discussion or debate impossible when one is posting what they mean and the other what they don't mean.

Well john, as we are taking everything literally, I would wonder why you even care to have a discussion with an idiot such as myself. I wonder if every time someone used the word love, if you actually believed they felt the actual emotion love ... as we might love a parent or husband/wife. Or if they were describing something else in context.

I won't argue about commonly used words and what their meaning is in context. If you want to hold that out as something to attack, then I'm ok with that, and we can all continue.

I did go back to clarify, so you can accept that clarification or not. As to the wording at the end, it was just rehashing the words that had already been used. And if everything from now on is to be taking with only literal definition of all words, no matter the context, then we'll probably have to throw a bunch of common expressions right out. (I don't mean we'll literally throw them away in a bin, I mean we'll have to stop using them in common discourse).

You did similar to me and that is why you drew a similar response Mate.

If you'll go read the other thread ... i've actually apologized for that after you pointed out my error ... sorry if it was a bit late in coming, but hey ho, I'm not perfect. I don't mind holding my hand up when I've made a mistake.