Friday's B*l**x

[kinkylola]

Kinkylola,

1)...Why do believe that Sorry and Tricky have made a "power grab" (your words)?
2)...Why do you believe that it is wrong to examine the football credentials of the person who will be the ultimate football controller at City and have the responsibility to design and develop the Holistic City way?
3)...Why do find it necessary to use exaggeration and sarcasm in a debate that is essentially rational?

All quite serious questions.

I'll answer John, but let's continue without any name calling from here on out ... civil like, good?

1. I don't think they have made a power grab, this is tied in with your 3rd question about sarcasm, i'm using this term sarcastically ... How could tricky and sorry make a power grab? They were appointed by our owners to be the guys with the power, no need to grab anything.

I fully understood that. That is why I NEVER made any reference to any power grab.that reference was actually made by SOMEONE ELSE. You were therefore WRONG to tag me with that term.

2. I don't believe it is wrong to 'examine' at all, but people have not been examining, they have been making blanket statements such as "these are not footballing men, they are suits." They've both already got some impressive footballing points on their CV, more so than you or I or anyone we are likely to encounter on this board. More important than that, they were trusted and appointed by our owner, and I believe they have the desire and ability to take our club where it should be. I also believe that abilities not related to footballing matters will be needed to achieve this, and we've finally got the final places in piece (tricky and sorry), to give us those capabilities.

3. exaggeration and sarcasm are hardly new on this board. I find some of the arguments against tricky and sorry, and what I perceive to be shock and disbelief at the firing of Mancini, as a bit over the trop ... bordering on absurd. Sometimes, I feel the desire to respond in kind.

I might attack someone's ideas, or use hyperbole and sarcasm in a lot of my posts, even during rational discussion ... that's just part of who I am. I'm not going to apologize for it, there is no offense meant and nothing malicious, even if people don't agree.

Since you said before in a previous post that I have failed to understand your position, would you mind laying it out for me again ... minus some of the emotional parts? I'm asking seriously, I'd just like to understand where you are and exactly what grievances you have.

The same question was asked by Hazy and I responded in full. Giving evidence, history and reasons as to why the issue should be EXAMINED AND QUESTIONED. I clearly stated my position over 2 unemotional and very rational posts. My irritation and anger was with those who TWISTED my words and then accused me of holding the opposite view than that posted.
I have no intention of wasting my time rewriting what was a long and thorough piece. Should you wish to make the effort, It is all there for you.

I will address the points you make here about Sorry. I have no problem with believing in his ability to do the job (NOR EVER STATED ANY) he has been employed to do at City. His record at Barca is good evidence that he has the wherewithall to succeed in expanding our commercial side and increasing our global brand (though his record at Spanair may cause doubts).
The only point I made regarding Sorry was in the light of what happened at the swamp and some of the commercial strategies used there to increase income when they were going through this very same process. Many local and long serving supporters were left disenfranchised and priced out as increasing numbers of tickets were removed from the OPEN MARKET and sold through CORPORATE and HOSPITALITY PACKAGES (Travel agencies and such like). THAT CITY FANS SHOULD REMAIN ALERT TO THE POSSIBILITY OF THAT HAPPENING TO US. Please don't assume that to mean I am saying it will.

My view of Tricky is one of OPEN MINDEDNESS. Neither for nor against (as some seem to assume), but certainly worth examining considering the historic and different circumstances we find ourselves in. The removal of Mancini was NOT simply the removal of one manager to be replaced by another. There were/are other major implications.
The role of manager has now been exchanged for that of coach and the ultimate power of all football decision making at City will rest with Tricky. No matter what the qualifications or abilities of a new coach (Pellegrini?), he will be answerable to someone who could well be less knowledgable about football strategies and tactics. That is well worth examining.
Tricky is now in sole charge of not only administering football at City but also and extremely importantly, designing and laying the foundations of the Holistic City Way. Though we know he was successful at Barca when administering their system, he played NO PART whatsoever in designing or founding it. That is an issue that certainly should be examined.

Your assumption that it must be ok because we can trust Sheik Mansour's judgement on this matter is also worthy of examination. Our esteemed Sheik is a businessman, he is NOT a football man. I would suggest their are some on here who are possibly more knowledgeable about football than our Sheik.

Several pages on this board have been dedicated to questioning and examining the record, qualities and abilities of Pellegrini and quite rightly so. So why when I suggest that we should do similar and examine the guy above him is it considered ridiculous and assumed I am against him?

Maybe someone with the mentality of of a 5 year old would...eh Sparty?

Firstly, apologies for misrepresenting your beliefs ... seems as I have indeed confused your posts with another member ... so obviously my argument in that regard has no connection to you personally. Also sorry for any frustration that caused you.

I do completely agree with an open minded approach to examining anything that the club does ... in so much as we have any information at all about those topics. Obviously a lot goes on opinion here, as it is a board and we as fans do have limited knowledge, but that isn't a criticism, just an observation.

I do agree with your concern that increased interest in developing the commercial aspect may price out 'regular' fans ... but I might also argue that this isn't the fault (or result) of hiring Sorry ... but a result of the domestic FFP that will come into effect (unless i have a misunderstanding there as well, which is possible).

The idiots who voted in domestic FFP, very similar to the idiots who are trying to pass euro FFP, have moved the goal posts, as it were. It's not about the fans anymore, it's about the min/max 'ing of commercial aspects of the game. Without that, when FFP rules come into effect, any club that willingly sacrifices potential income for 'regular' fan happiness, will also hamstring themselves competitively. It's a catch-22.

So, while there are competitive reasons for emulating barca's model ... the most important aspect may indeed be developing our commercial side to match theirs.

As always, though apparently not heavily considered by those in-favor of FFP, the fan will lose. It won't be a small loss either, but a large, abrupt and resounding one. That's my opinion.

[john68]

Thank fuck for that...:-)

[Swales4ever]

You know Shelock, I got few news for You:
this is Mancityfans Forum, and accordingly, EVERYONE on here only cares of MCFC

The way most of your posts have gone since the Mancini sacking, coupled with your nationality, former username and bizarrely sarcastic current username, I'm beginning to wonder if you actually mean what you say above.

I wanted Mancini to stay, and for the long term too. But that isn't to say that he didn't make a lot of mistakes last season. Moreover, he came in completely unrepentant at the way he got the job (being hired while his predecessor was still going about his business), saying this was 'normal in football'. I can only imagine he's equally philosophical about the way it ended for him, and so should you be.

If you're genuinely excited about what the future holds, it's time to stop charging around the board picking fights about Mancini.

Yeah, I know.
I sort to remember the suspicious was pretty much the same when I joined introducing fairly and plainly about my experiences and idea of football, starting from the loyal representation of my "justified" bias towards Mancini endorsed in my original nick.
People always gets suspicious at plainly speaking. Trying and disguise each other personal bias, within pretended balanced opinion only moved by "Communitarian" interest for the "progress" always gets You more popularity.
If anything because it's the same way the vast majority of people conduct themselves all along life: I am naively cuntish and I rather enjoy plain speaking, when entertaining my hobbies and have nothing to gain other than enhance my personal passions and leisure.

Just let me correct, my highly regarded smart friend, about the sarcasm and bizare of my new nick: it's nothing but strictly accorded to our own appetite for fucking things up and I know You didn't need the twat myself to patronize You on that history tends to repeat itself in benchmark patterns.
And I am not the only one, including several highly respected 24 carats pedigreed members, who have raised eyebrows and just stand moderately concerned awaiting to see IF ACTS and RESULTS shall follow to cheap talks, instrumental to waht so far is just a cruent swap on the balance of power, rode by a man with a self explanatory background at it.

[Alioune DVToure]

Yeah, I know.
I sort to remember the suspicious was pretty much the same when I joined introducing fairly and plainly about my experiences and idea of football, starting from the loyal representation of my "justified" bias towards Mancini endorsed in my original nick.
People always gets suspicious at plainly speaking. Trying and disguise each other personal bias, within pretended balanced opinion only moved by "Communitarian" interest for the "progress" always gets You more popularity.
If anything because it's the same way the vast majority of people conduct themselves all along life: I am naively cuntish and I rather enjoy plain speaking, when entertaining my hobbies and have nothing to gain other than enhance my personal passions and leisure.

Just let me correct, my highly regarded smart friend, about the sarcasm and bizare of my new nick: it's nothing but strictly accorded to our own appetite fucking things up and I know You didn't need the twat myself to patronize You on that history tends to repeat itself in benchmark patterns.
And I am not the only one, including several highly respected 24 carats pedigreed members, who have raised eyebrows and just stand moderately concerned awaiting to see IF ACTS and RESULTS shall follow to cheap talks, instrumental to waht so far is just a cruent swap on the balance of power, rode by a man with a self explanatory background at it.

That's exactly the point: let's wait and see. Things could get worse with the new man in charge but, equally, there's a hell of a lot of room for them to improve. Bob is toast; let's now sit tight and stay together as fans. The fact you're still here means you deserve the benefit of any doubt.

[Swales4ever]

Yeah, I know.
I sort to remember the suspicious was pretty much the same when I joined introducing fairly and plainly about my experiences and idea of football, starting from the loyal representation of my "justified" bias towards Mancini endorsed in my original nick.
People always gets suspicious at plainly speaking. Trying and disguise each other personal bias, within pretended balanced opinion only moved by "Communitarian" interest for the "progress" always gets You more popularity.
If anything because it's the same way the vast majority of people conduct themselves all along life: I am naively cuntish and I rather enjoy plain speaking, when entertaining my hobbies and have nothing to gain other than enhance my personal passions and leisure.

Just let me correct, my highly regarded smart friend, about the sarcasm and bizare of my new nick: it's nothing but strictly accorded to our own appetite fucking things up and I know You didn't need the twat myself to patronize You on that history tends to repeat itself in benchmark patterns.
And I am not the only one, including several highly respected 24 carats pedigreed members, who have raised eyebrows and just stand moderately concerned awaiting to see IF ACTS and RESULTS shall follow to cheap talks, instrumental to waht so far is just a cruent swap on the balance of power, rode by a man with a self explanatory background at it.

That's exactly the point: let's wait and see. Things could get worse with the new man in charge but, equally, there's a hell of a lot of room for them to improve. Bob is toast; let's now sit tight and stay together as fans. The fact you're still here means you deserve the benefit of any doubt.

In fact.
Having just stated that You have bothered to pay attention to my recent posts You already know that we are in perfect agreement.
Once removed the traditional paint attached on me, nobody can read in my recent posts anything but "Bob is toast; let's now sit tight and stay together as fans. " In addition to it's just a shame that we - The Citizens, from Owner to plastic italian tourists - have lost another opportunity to build on a steady and successful footballing dynasty, so far the main historic wise guarantee of success for a football Club.
That's not only the Italian fanboy's take, but more respectable "Racially Pure Blue Mancunians", like 68, Tokio and probably Beefy have raised the very same concern for the very same missed opportunity, while stating it's time to move on off the past and dead.
Discopants is deliberately not mentioned as he is just another johnny foreigner, featuring a little more patience and smoothness than me.

YET, while having perfectly understood the Unwriiten House rule, which grants to any "righteous Mancunian" the exemption to come and steam off here on whatsoever City related topics, as opposed to johnny foreigners, whose opinion is welcome granted they do not make too much noise, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON - as I strongly wish we should and could - someone on the upper floor SHOULD TELL to people like Ted_theMarkHughesneverconsolatedwidow, to stop running his own personal crusade at slaughtering the reputation of the manager who have made MCFC a winning Club again, got the Club and the Owner's Investments very close to sustainability and built foundations on which it has to be confident than almost everyone could improve with the little additions he had claimed for. As You very rightly implies.

It's certainly the broken me, but I find it a very disgusting, undignified behaviors, when a grown man is not able to come out and say I was wrong and twists every angle of any possible topics, for bloody four years, in the desperate attempt to maintain an untenable point.

If I am not mistaken, today's take is based on:

a) Mancini was still "on probation trial".....
failing to explain why such a ridiculous twits of facts should not equate to say that the Chairman would result to be not even a mediocre Investor, on the evidence of fact that the manager had just been offered the longest and most expensive contractual renewal in Club's history.

b) Marwood was not in charge of the market, Mancini was......
failing to explain why none of the pacey wingers/playmakers asked by Mancini in order to offload pressure from Silva in two consecutive seasons (Sanchez/Hazard/Goetze/Reus), nor any of the boxtobox midfielders asked by Mancini in order to offload pressure from Yaya (Javi Martinez/De Rossi), nor any of the strikers claimed to bring a little more accuracy in front of the goal (Cavani/the Rapist) are not dressed in Sky Blue, having enforced the City opponents instead.

People with little understanding can see what actually happened.
Ultimately, the Owner through the Chairman, had to chose between the English model of building increased value (i.e. revenue growth) on sporting success, and the raising star model, based on marketing people above all. and have chosen the latter option. Perhaps rightly and I always tend to respect what People do in the running of their own business with their own money, moreso when they can afford it without no trouble whatsoever.

But IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON, everyone, not only johnny foreigners, must be told so, failing that I shall continue to challenge every hypocrite running his personal hate driven agenda toward a man, who I think every true Blue, Mancunian or tourist, should show some respect and gratitude.

[kinkylola]

Yeah, I know.
I sort to remember the suspicious was pretty much the same when I joined introducing fairly and plainly about my experiences and idea of football, starting from the loyal representation of my "justified" bias towards Mancini endorsed in my original nick.
People always gets suspicious at plainly speaking. Trying and disguise each other personal bias, within pretended balanced opinion only moved by "Communitarian" interest for the "progress" always gets You more popularity.
If anything because it's the same way the vast majority of people conduct themselves all along life: I am naively cuntish and I rather enjoy plain speaking, when entertaining my hobbies and have nothing to gain other than enhance my personal passions and leisure.

Just let me correct, my highly regarded smart friend, about the sarcasm and bizare of my new nick: it's nothing but strictly accorded to our own appetite fucking things up and I know You didn't need the twat myself to patronize You on that history tends to repeat itself in benchmark patterns.
And I am not the only one, including several highly respected 24 carats pedigreed members, who have raised eyebrows and just stand moderately concerned awaiting to see IF ACTS and RESULTS shall follow to cheap talks, instrumental to waht so far is just a cruent swap on the balance of power, rode by a man with a self explanatory background at it.

That's exactly the point: let's wait and see. Things could get worse with the new man in charge but, equally, there's a hell of a lot of room for them to improve. Bob is toast; let's now sit tight and stay together as fans. The fact you're still here means you deserve the benefit of any doubt.

In fact.
Having just stated that You have bothered to pay attention to my recent posts You already know that we are in perfect agreement.
Once removed the traditional paint attached on me, nobody can read in my recent posts anything but "Bob is toast; let's now sit tight and stay together as fans. " In addition to it's just a shame that we - The Citizens, from Owner to plastic italian tourists - have lost another opportunity to build on a steady and successful footballing dynasty, so far the main historic wise guarantee of success for a football Club.
That's not only the Italian fanboy's take, but more respectable "Racially Pure Blue Mancunians", like 68, Tokio and probably Beefy have raised the very same concern for the very same missed opportunity, while stating it's time to move on off the past and dead.
Discopants is deliberately not mentioned as he is just another johnny foreigner, featuring a little more patience and smoothness than me.

YET, while having perfectly understood the Unwriiten House rule, which grants to any "righteous Mancunian" the exemption to come and steam off here on whatsoever City related topics, as opposed to johnny foreigners, whose opinion is welcome granted they do not make too much noise, IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON - as I strongly wish we should and could - someone on the upper floor SHOULD TELL to people like Ted_theMarkHughesneverconsolatedwidow, to stop running his own personal crusade at slaughtering the reputation of the manager who have made MCFC a winning Club again, got the Club and the Owner's Investments very close to sustainability and built foundations on which it has to be confident than almost everyone could improve with the little additions he had claimed for. As You very rightly implies.

It's certainly the broken me, but I find it a very disgusting, undignified behaviors, when a grown man is not able to come out and say I was wrong and twists every angle of any possible topics, for bloody four years, in the desperate attempt to maintain an untenable point.

If I am not mistaken, today's take is based on:

a) Mancini was still "on probation trial".....
failing to explain why such a ridiculous twits of facts should not equate to say that the Chairman would result to be not even a mediocre Investor, on the evidence of fact that the manager had just been offered the longest and most expensive contractual renewal in Club's history.

b) Marwood was not in charge of the market, Mancini was......
failing to explain why none of the pacey wingers/playmakers asked by Mancini in order to offload pressure from Silva in two consecutive seasons (Sanchez/Hazard/Goetze/Reus), nor any of the boxtobox midfielders asked by Mancini in order to offload pressure from Yaya (Javi Martinez/De Rossi), nor any of the strikers claimed to bring a little more accuracy in front of the goal (Cavani/the Rapist) are not dressed in Sky Blue, having enforced the City opponents instead.

People with little understanding can see what actually happened.
Ultimately, the Owner through the Chairman, had to chose between the English model of building increased value (i.e. revenue growth) on sporting success, and the raising star model, based on marketing people above all. and have chosen the latter option. Perhaps rightly and I always tend to respect what People do in the running of their own business with their own money, moreso when they can afford it without no trouble whatsoever.

But IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON, everyone, not only johnny foreigners, must be told so, failing that I shall continue to challenge every hypocrite running his personal hate driven agenda toward a man, who I think every true Blue, Mancunian or tourist, should show some respect and gratitude.

Don't think anyone has said they aren't appreciative of what Mancini did for the club ... but if you can't acknowledge his faults, then i'm sorry but I don't think you'll have a good time going forward. With everything that went down this season, it was probably better for everyone, Mancini included, that he went.

[Swales4ever]

Kinkylola,

it must most probably be down to my renowned, widely emphasized, failure at speaking the English language, or alternatively to Your being tick, but You have not understood what I wrote.

Not that I cannot live without. though.

[Ted Hughes]

IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON - as I strongly wish we should and could - someone on the upper floor SHOULD TELL to people like Ted_theMarkHughesneverconsolatedwidow, to stop running his own personal crusade at slaughtering the reputation of the manager who have made MCFC a winning Club again, got the Club and the Owner's Investments very close to sustainability and built foundations on which it has to be confident than almost everyone could improve with the little additions he had claimed for. As You very rightly implies.

I actually posted that exact thing myself only about a day ago but you choose to ignore that & are only picking out the stuff you want to choose & are once again accusing me of stuff.

I'm sick of it.

I was patient with you & tried to be nice to you when you first came on here, I've treated you with respect & never been awkward with you when others have been on your case . I've asked you several times to stop judging my motives & questioning my reasons for posting.

If I want to argue the case for our management v Mancini, I fucking will do & I don't give a flying fucking shite whether you like it or not. I don't have to answer to you for my opinions.

If you want to argue some specific points with me then fucking do so directly & stop making snidey comments about me, you utter fucking slimeball.

[kinkylola]

Kinkylola,

it must most probably be down to my renowned, widely emphasized, failure at speaking the English language, or alternatively to Your being tick, but You have not understood what I wrote.

Not that I cannot live without. though.

this is what you said:

But IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON, everyone, not only johnny foreigners, must be told so, failing that I shall continue to challenge every hypocrite running his personal hate driven agenda toward a man, who I think every true Blue, Mancunian or tourist, should show some respect and gratitude.

I disagree that anyone has a hate driven agenda against mancini, and I don't think your insinuation that there are people who are not appreciative of what he did is accurate.

have I misunderstood you?

[Swales4ever]

IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON - as I strongly wish we should and could - someone on the upper floor SHOULD TELL to people like Ted_theMarkHughesneverconsolatedwidow, to stop running his own personal crusade at slaughtering the reputation of the manager who have made MCFC a winning Club again, got the Club and the Owner's Investments very close to sustainability and built foundations on which it has to be confident than almost everyone could improve with the little additions he had claimed for. As You very rightly implies.

I actually posted that exact thing myself only about a day ago but you choose to ignore that & are only picking out the stuff you want to choose & are once again accusing me of stuff.

I'm sick of it.

I was patient with you & tried to be nice to you when you first came on here, I've treated you with respect & never been awkward with you when others have been on your case . I've asked you several times to stop judging my motives & questioning my reasons for posting.

If I want to argue the case for our management v Mancini, I fucking will do & I don't give a flying fucking shite whether you like it or not. I don't have to answer to you for my opinions.

If you want to argue some specific points with me then fucking do so directly & stop making snidey comments about me, you utter fucking slimeball.

You have been patient with me.... that is .... well, everybody knows that I am just a spastic illiterate Italian. I just miss the words.

You arguing with me?
I regret to teach You a sad story but it's long overdue: You are nowhere near to the minimum requirements needed to argue with me. In whatsoever language, not even when I am lost.

My mates can argue and debate with me for free, because I do love to share with my mates.
Almost to the opposite, what I constantly hated long since I started scratching my nuts, are reptile sycophants like You, mr. Hughes, and those people have invariably to pay a remarkable fee in order to be admitted in argumentation with my very self.

You better keep pretending with Your own former schoolmates and those willing to buy your stuff.

I don't.

[Wooders]

Did you not describe him as an arrogant, clueless dictator in your "bad news guys, i'm not leaving" thread?

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Did you not describe him as an arrogant, clueless dictator in your "bad news guys, i'm not leaving" thread?

What thread was this? How'd I miss it?

[kinkylola]

IF WE HAVE TO MOVE ON - as I strongly wish we should and could - someone on the upper floor SHOULD TELL to people like Ted_theMarkHughesneverconsolatedwidow, to stop running his own personal crusade at slaughtering the reputation of the manager who have made MCFC a winning Club again, got the Club and the Owner's Investments very close to sustainability and built foundations on which it has to be confident than almost everyone could improve with the little additions he had claimed for. As You very rightly implies.

I actually posted that exact thing myself only about a day ago but you choose to ignore that & are only picking out the stuff you want to choose & are once again accusing me of stuff.

I'm sick of it.

I was patient with you & tried to be nice to you when you first came on here, I've treated you with respect & never been awkward with you when others have been on your case . I've asked you several times to stop judging my motives & questioning my reasons for posting.

If I want to argue the case for our management v Mancini, I fucking will do & I don't give a flying fucking shite whether you like it or not. I don't have to answer to you for my opinions.

If you want to argue some specific points with me then fucking do so directly & stop making snidey comments about me, you utter fucking slimeball.

You have been patient with me.... that is .... well, everybody knows that I am just a spastic illiterate Italian. I just miss the words.

You arguing with me?
I regret to teach You a sad story but it's long overdue: You are nowhere near to the minimum requirements needed to argue with me. In whatsoever language, not even when I am lost.

My mates can argue and debate with me for free, because I do love to share with my mates.
Almost to the opposite, what I constantly hated long since I started scratching my nuts, are reptile sycophants like You, mr. Hughes, and those people have invariably to pay a remarkable fee in order to be admitted in argumentation with my very self.

You better keep pretending with Your own former schoolmates and those willing to buy your stuff.

I don't.

Hate to say it, John ... but no matter what our disagreements or how little you might value my opinion ... we are totally outdone by these two, haha.

[john68]

ABSOLUTELY NO COMMENT KINKY....;-)

[Ted Hughes]

You have been patient with me.... that is .... well, everybody knows that I am just a spastic illiterate Italian. I just miss the words.

You arguing with me?
I regret to teach You a sad story but it's long overdue: You are nowhere near to the minimum requirements needed to argue with me. In whatsoever language, not even when I am lost.

My mates can argue and debate with me for free, because I do love to share with my mates.
Almost to the opposite, what I constantly hated long since I started scratching my nuts, are reptile sycophants like You, mr. Hughes, and those people have invariably to pay a remarkable fee in order to be admitted in argumentation with my very self.

You better keep pretending with Your own former schoolmates and those willing to buy your stuff.

I don't.

Good.

So now we have established that I am not the insightful football genius, you have spent 2 years telling everybody I am.

Also we have established that I'm not, nor have I ever tried to be your friend, as you have spent two years telling me I am.

Perhaps you now realise that I genuinely did think Mancini was sometimes utterly shit as well as sometimes utterly brilliant & wasn't telling lies or on a wind up when I criticised him, nor being a genius when I praised him & agreed with you, as you have been telling people for two years.

You have lot of friends who you 'allow' to debate with you, that's great news.

Perhaps now you can debate with your friends without interference from the 'sycophant' Ted nor feel the need to ever mention me again ?

It will be a great loss of course, but I recon I'll cope.

I hope you will also agree for the record that at no time have I ever sought, given, or received a 'lobster dinner'.

Ciao.

[Risby]

Get a room you two!!!

[Ted Hughes]

Get a room you two!!!

Why, you looking for some action big boy ?

[Risby]

Why, you looking for some action big boy ?

Who told you I was big?! I'm no bragger.

[Ted Hughes]

Why, you looking for some action big boy ?

Who told you I was big?! I'm no bragger.

Just a rumour then..

[Dronny]

An unusual slant on the usual b*l**x but nonetheless a worthwhile read, thank you