Martin Samuel

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I can't recall if he has or not. Certainly the enthusiasm he gave to this article is to be complemented.

Having the french taunter in his own backyard certainly helped though.

Zurich, if you can't recall if he has or not, why say he hasn't?
Samuel has been writing about the closed shop of Europe, the corruption of the G14 clubs, the unfair advantage seeding allows the top clubs and other aspects of European competition.
He was banging on about FFP and it's effects from when it was first proposed. He has written about why Filth wanted it so badly. And now he is one of the first, if not the very first journo to tackle Platini directly about the efects of this policy and the motives behind it.
It's not a new theme for him.

[patrickblue]

Check that membership again mate...City are an "Associated Member" not an ordinary member. The organisation has 2 levels of membership and we don't yet qualify for Ordinary membership. Fulham are keeping us out...though that may change over the next few weeks.

Help me out a bit here John. I can see that re-election is due around now, and I can see that England are going to be ranked in the top three, and therefore will have five ordinary members. What I can't see is how those five are chosen, and why Fulham are standing in our way.

To the best of my knowledge, it is solely based on the "European Coefficient" of the member clubs from each country.

Here's the fun bit.
Each individual club gets points awarded for their own individual performances in European competition.
They then get points awarded for their national sides performances.
They then get even more points if another individual club from their country is successful.
eg...when Chelsea won the CL, all the English clubs had extra points awarded...at this point you are either laughing uncontrollably or shaking your head in despair.
It is all designed to assist the clubs from the major countries (England, Germany, Italy and Spain) to rise up to the top. It is further designed to ensure that the larger clubs in those particular countries rise to the top domestically and because it is measured over 5 years, it allows for a major elite club to fucl up and not be punished too harshly by dropping down the coefficient league.

This system is the bedrock of the CL seeding.....NOW YOU'RE CRYING

Well stitched up then. So if this
http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/
is correct (I assume it is seeing it's from the eca site) we should be taking spuds place.
It makes it crystal clear why Bobby had to go though.

[patrickblue]

And another thing, how the fulk are Dortmund down at 31?

[zuricity]

Zurich, if you can't recall if he has or not, why say he hasn't?
Samuel has been writing about the closed shop of Europe, the corruption of the G14 clubs, the unfair advantage seeding allows the top clubs and other aspects of European competition.
He was banging on about FFP and it's effects from when it was first proposed. He has written about why Filth wanted it so badly. And now he is one of the first, if not the very first journo to tackle Platini directly about the efects of this policy and the motives behind it.
It's not a new theme for him.

There you go jumping in again before reading and understanding what was written. Where did I write "hasn't" ?

Don't put words in my mouth.

My reference was to 'the number of' to which Sparty refers and I cannot remember if Samuel has written a number of articles about ffp ok ?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Zurich, if you can't recall if he has or not, why say he hasn't?
Samuel has been writing about the closed shop of Europe, the corruption of the G14 clubs, the unfair advantage seeding allows the top clubs and other aspects of European competition.
He was banging on about FFP and it's effects from when it was first proposed. He has written about why Filth wanted it so badly. And now he is one of the first, if not the very first journo to tackle Platini directly about the efects of this policy and the motives behind it.
It's not a new theme for him.

There you go jumping in again before reading and understanding what was written. Where did I write "hasn't" ?

Don't put words in my mouth.

My reference was to 'the number of' to which Sparty refers and I cannot remember if Samuel has written a number of articles about ffp ok ?

Not really.
You wrote this :- "Whilst it is laudable that Samuel writes this article. I still wonder why it took him or any other journalist so long to point out the obvious"

So you more than suggest he hasn't written about it before.
Then you admit you don't know whether he has or hasn't written about it before by saying :- "I can't recall if he has or not."

Is that enough?

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

And another thing, how the fulk are Dortmund down at 31?

The way the points are accumulated (over a 5-year period) means that it helps liverpool stay above us and Dortmund remain down there. The whole thing is rigged in favour of the clubs that set it up.

[zuricity]

Not really.
You wrote this :- "Whilst it is laudable that Samuel writes this article. I still wonder why it took him or any other journalist so long to point out the obvious"

So you more than suggest he hasn't written about it before.
Then you admit you don't know whether he has or hasn't written about it before by saying :- "I can't recall if he has or not."

Is that enough?

Oh give it a rest, my reference is only to sparty and nothing else, and I did not use "hadn't" .

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Oh give it a rest, my reference is only to sparty and nothing else, and I did not use "hadn't" .

Well thats a strange way of saying he had written about it before. Oh well.
Furthermore you were responding to Rag hater when you originally wrote such nonsense.

[zuricity]

Well thats a strange way of saying he had written about it before. Oh well.
Furthermore you were responding to Rag hater when you originally wrote such nonsense.

Well why are you sticking your oar in !

[patrickblue]

Well stitched up then. So if this
http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/
is correct (I assume it is seeing it's from the eca site) we should be taking spuds place.
It makes it crystal clear why Bobby had to go though.

Sorry to quote myself, but that was a question, not a statement (although putting a question mark on the end would have helped).
Anyone know if that is actually the case?

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Well why are you sticking your oar in !

Because it's a message board !
I was merely helping you by filling in a gap in your knowledge. Martin Samuel has been discussing FFP for a long time.

Oh in future I expect you won't be commenting on any posts that aren't aimed directly to you, Ffs.

[john68]

Well stitched up then. So if this
http://www.ecaeurope.com/tabbed-content/club-ranking/
is correct (I assume it is seeing it's from the eca site) we should be taking spuds place.
It makes it crystal clear why Bobby had to go though.

Sorry to quote myself, but that was a question, not a statement (although putting a question mark on the end would have helped).
Anyone know if that is actually the case?

I can't remember the actual date when the level of membership is revised but it takes place at the end on the 21012-2013 season. The cycle of membership lasts for 2 years, so in a a few weeks, City should upgrade from Associate Membership to Ordinary Membership, replacing Spurs.