Soriano

[Beefymcfc]

Joleon was awseome that season, jut like all those who won us the league.

Any complaints?

[Im_Spartacus]

Joleon was awseome that season, jut like all those who won us the league.

Any complaints?

Not sure I follow you? I certainly had no complaints that we scored the goals which won us the league. After the fact though. I am interested in hearing the back story, and lescotts comments emerged at the start of last season, at a time we all were still confident we would put up a decent title defence and move on to better things.

I'm not saying that the defenders piling forward is what won us the league, just giving one example as to why some could legitimately feel that the league was won despite Mancini.

It seems that even when players themselves unwittingly give the game away, its twisted to suggest the player had an anti-mancini agenda rather than considering that the player might, perhaps, actually be telling the truth.

[kinkylola]

we need a song for him

inspired by the haters....

it's sad, so sad
it's a sad sad situation
soriano always has the final word

Haters? Sad situation is right if you're going to pigeon-hole people with a healthy dose of scepticism.

Perhaps we should call Ferran 'Our Dear Leader'?

where are the pedant police right now? someone needs to be called out for their use of the word "hater"

apologies, missed this on the first go:

Haters? Sad situation is right if you're going to pigeon-hole people with a healthy dose of scepticism.

Perhaps we should call Ferran 'Our Dear Leader'?

[Socrates]

What a difference a year makes

We won it on the last kick of the season against a 10 man team at our home in a game that we should have been winning comfortably - people seem to think we stormed the league for some reason, were it not for a wonderful moment of good fortune and skill and a complete copitulation of man utd, we could add that season to the list of mancini flops as well

You know what Wooders, I can take so many things but I cannot take the bullshit that is spouted that puts our triumph on the back foot. Do you actually realise what you are saying, do you not quite realise what you've done!

Cunt-holes who would rather demean our victory rather than celebrating the triumph should be fucking linched in my book, and you, cunt-hole, should have the other 3 horrendous principles administered too.

Absolute twats! You're not even a cunt, cunts are useful. Those comments are just about your own 'Highness' and if you are saying that the Rags should have won the league, we were lucky bastards, then well done to you.

United should've won, City should have lost. That's what you're are saying, right???

Don't know quite how to say this Bovrilman but...

...I think I love you.

[DoomMerchant]

Don't know quite how to say this Bovrilman but...

...I think I love you.

Bollocks. What he is saying is accurate. I loved the win and celebrated like mad. However the players including tevez rose above a shit 5 months and caught united who folded like a paper airplane.

You or I could have managed that last month because they stopped listening to mancini I felt and just went out and played.

Mancini did well. I wanted him to do better. He was stubborn and negative and typically Italian. He was a lobster dinner at times when we needed a fry up.

Cheers

[zuricity]

Well of course, but if Bill and Bull are as good at what they do as people say they are, we are going to have it pretty sweet. I mean, having money sort of guarantees you some sort of place but it doesn't take away your ability to shoot yourself in the foot like Chelsea or Atletico.

And if Pellegrini is a good manager, we'll have ten times the fun we would have had, had Benitez been our manager.

Or we could appoin Frank Arnesen as sporting director. Now that would definitely be a shot in the foot. Arnesen.... one of the most overblown hypes of the last 7 years.

I don't get your point really. Are you being sarcastic or do you actually mean that we could hire anyone and just say fuck it and still manage to win?

No not sarcasm at all, just being realistic.

So far on this thread, only one person has been able to really give an informed view because he has experienced Barcelona for many years.

However, if things go wrong , our owner has the financial clout to correct it. As we have apparently just seen with the sacking of Roberto.

I do not know enough to form an opinion yet about pixie and dixie.

However, inspite of all the rubbish spouted on here. One thing i will note is that , two guys joining us from an already successful enterprise before they got involved with it will be able to bring the experience they have gained from that enterprise ( Barca) .
If the decision to replace a very successful manager with one that has never won anything of significance at the highest levels in European football, is theirs, then they have made a bold statement . One that implies it doesn't matter who is trainer because the ingredients are there to win titles.

It does seem a little illogical though, replacing a proven winner with someone who is unproven . The same could be said for Moyes btw.

[Wooders]

You know what Wooders, I can take so many things but I cannot take the bullshit that is spouted that puts our triumph on the back foot. Do you actually realise what you are saying, do you not quite realise what you've done!

Cunt-holes who would rather demean our victory rather than celebrating the triumph should be fucking linched in my book, and you, cunt-hole, should have the other 3 horrendous principles administered too.

Absolute twats! You're not even a cunt, cunts are useful. Those comments are just about your own 'Highness' and if you are saying that the Rags should have won the league, we were lucky bastards, then well done to you.

United should've won, City should have lost. That's what you're are saying, right???

Get ur head out of your arse you fucking primadonna

[Im_Spartacus]

One thing i will note is that , two guys joining us from an already successful enterprise before they got involved with it will be able to bring the experience they have gained from that enterprise ( Barca) .
If the decision to replace a very successful manager with one that has never won anything of significance at the highest levels in European football, is theirs, then they have made a bold statement . One that implies it doesn't matter who is trainer because the ingredients are there to win titles.

It does seem a little illogical though, replacing a proven winner with someone who is unproven . The same could be said for Moyes btw.

I think this is a key point which is really the crux of the whole matter. They have done something which means that the success or failure of this part of the project now very much lies with them, and they will have to carry the can if it goes horribly wrong.

One could say that in terms of managerial experience, both city and united have now handed the initiative to chelsea - however I sort of suspect that had ferguson not been going, mancini's fate could perhaps have been different. The changing of the guard over there, in essence gave us an opportunity to take the same gamble they are taking - i don now wonder though if we could have both dropped a bollock in the short term with the second coming at chelsea in terms of the destination of this years league title, and united certainly are looking to play the long game with their appointment.

[zuricity]

One thing i will note is that , two guys joining us from an already successful enterprise before they got involved with it will be able to bring the experience they have gained from that enterprise ( Barca) .
If the decision to replace a very successful manager with one that has never won anything of significance at the highest levels in European football, is theirs, then they have made a bold statement . One that implies it doesn't matter who is trainer because the ingredients are there to win titles.

It does seem a little illogical though, replacing a proven winner with someone who is unproven . The same could be said for Moyes btw.

I think this is a key point which is really the crux of the whole matter. They have done something which means that the success or failure of this part of the project now very much lies with them, and they will have to carry the can if it goes horribly wrong.

One could say that in terms of managerial experience, both city and united have now handed the initiative to chelsea - however I sort of suspect that had ferguson not been going, mancini's fate could perhaps have been different. The changing of the guard over there, in essence gave us an opportunity to take the same gamble they are taking - i don now wonder though if we could have both dropped a bollock in the short term with the second coming at chelsea in terms of the destination of this years league title, and united certainly are looking to play the long game with their appointment.

Yes, you are right about Moyes. Perhaps Fergie will still try and retain power. He isn't going away is he !

I don't know if Chelsea have an initiative though, he is going to have to do some rebuilding to beat the City machine, ( we really should have won every time , this last season. Sometimes we beat them with ease. So the psychological impact is there for us, inspite of Jose's presence).

You know, i rather think Mancini was looking for a way out. Sometimes we had heard that his wife didn't enjoy it too much, perhaps he really didn't enjoy being in England ? Some of his utterings towards the end , especially about not fearing the sack, you know 'eets normal in football'. It's always good to leave at the top. He certainly loved the City fans support.

Back to Soriano. I have no opinion on him , positive or negative. However, both he and Trixi will need good results from the start . As is witnessed on these pages. City fans no longer accept second best.

[Cocacolajojo1]

However, inspite of all the rubbish spouted on here. One thing i will note is that , two guys joining us from an already successful enterprise before they got involved with it will be able to bring the experience they have gained from that enterprise ( Barca) .
If the decision to replace a very successful manager with one that has never won anything of significance at the highest levels in European football, is theirs, then they have made a bold statement . One that implies it doesn't matter who is trainer because the ingredients are there to win titles.

I see where yuo're coming from and I'm with you to an extent. There were a lot of outside factors that generated Barcelona's surge, as well as factors in place before Thelma & Louise joined. We'd do well to remember that and not credit them with too much of what went on at Barcelona during those years.

But on the other hand they didn't fuck it up. They didn't hire Frank Arnesen for example. I think it's best to give them the benefit of the doubt, is all I'm saying.

And I do not think that appointing Pellegrini is similar too saying that "it doesn't matter who the manager is". Not necessarily at least. It might as well, which I truly hope, be a statement that they really believe Pellegrini is a good match with the system they want to implement and that his style and man-management has the possibility to go hand in glove with the squad they want to assemble. In that case it's a strong statement, hiring a manager who hasn't won that much. Neither had Wenger mind you. Most managers won't turn out to be Wenger, most will be flops or have limited success but I'm just saying that we have no reason to dismiss someone who hasn't won anything if there hasn't been any clear signs that he or she is underqualified. In Pelligrini's case I don't think there is.

Pellegrini wasn't anywhere near who I had imagined they'd hire instead of Mancini. Never. But now when it seems that he's going to be hired I'm thinking why not + perhaps they've seen something I haven't.

[Hazy2]

Surprised nobody has pointed out he left Barca 2008.

[zuricity]

I see where yuo're coming from and I'm with you to an extent. There were a lot of outside factors that generated Barcelona's surge, as well as factors in place before Thelma & Louise joined. We'd do well to remember that and not credit them with too much of what went on at Barcelona during those years.

But on the other hand they didn't fuck it up. They didn't hire Frank Arnesen for example. I think it's best to give them the benefit of the doubt, is all I'm saying.

And I do not think that appointing Pellegrini is similar too saying that "it doesn't matter who the manager is". Not necessarily at least. It might as well, which I truly hope, be a statement that they really believe Pellegrini is a good match with the system they want to implement and that his style and man-management has the possibility to go hand in glove with the squad they want to assemble. In that case it's a strong statement, hiring a manager who hasn't won that much. Neither had Wenger mind you. Most managers won't turn out to be Wenger, most will be flops or have limited success but I'm just saying that we have no reason to dismiss someone who hasn't won anything if there hasn't been any clear signs that he or she is underqualified. In Pelligrini's case I don't think there is.

Pellegrini wasn't anywhere near who I had imagined they'd hire instead of Mancini. Never. But now when it seems that he's going to be hired I'm thinking why not + perhaps they've seen something I haven't.

Wenger decides who they buy and sell, he decides how they play.Not some bean counter.Bean counters in charge is never good

[Beefymcfc]

You know what Wooders, I can take so many things but I cannot take the bullshit that is spouted that puts our triumph on the back foot. Do you actually realise what you are saying, do you not quite realise what you've done!

Cunt-holes who would rather demean our victory rather than celebrating the triumph should be fucking linched in my book, and you, cunt-hole, should have the other 3 horrendous principles administered too.

Absolute twats! You're not even a cunt, cunts are useful. Those comments are just about your own 'Highness' and if you are saying that the Rags should have won the league, we were lucky bastards, then well done to you.

United should've won, City should have lost. That's what you're are saying, right???

Get ur head out of your arse you fucking primadonna

I thought the retort would be much better. However, please accept my apologies for the nature of the post. A few Stella's, a few Sol's and nearly a bottle of Merlot seems to bring the best out of me.

And for those who mention Lescott going up, I think it was me who brought it up on the board that Vince and Joleon went against Mancini but the reality is that although they occupied the area, they had no direct influence on the goals.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Don't know quite how to say this Bovrilman but...

...I think I love you.

Bollocks. What he is saying is accurate. I loved the win and celebrated like mad. However the players including tevez rose above a shit 5 months and caught united who folded like a paper airplane.

You or I could have managed that last month because they stopped listening to mancini I felt and just went out and played.

Mancini did well. I wanted him to do better. He was stubborn and negative and typically Italian. He was a lobster dinner at times when we needed a fry up.

Cheers

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

The Newcastle game - who made the switch to take Nasri off for De Jong to enable Yaya to go further forward?

Who's tactics saw us play 90 minutes against U*d without them mustering a single shot on target?

Listen to what Silva had to say about that run in, he credits Mancini's psychological approach for the team's performances.

I'm sick of this shit that when we do well it's all down to the players and when we come up short it's 'the buck stops with the manager' blah de-fucking blah.

Is this tripe going to continue with Pellegrini in charge or does the buck stop with Txiki now?

[Beefymcfc]

What you're saying is that we should be walking the league in our infancy?

I think what both are saying, is that we made remarkably hard work of that season whichever way you look at it.

A title is a title is a title, whether it's won with the last kick, 4 months to spare - nobody is denigrating the achievement of winning the title, but I think the whole issue is that there is a recognition that we should really never have had to win that QPR game, and that a fair bit of the 6 months that preceeded it was very concerning time as we saw the manager come up against problems he didnt seem to have the answer for.

There are the stories like that of lescott who publicly stated that he and vinny ignored the managers instructions to stay back to go forward in the last minute of the qpr game - little snippets like that set a context of a manager prone to doing some really fucking odd things whilst in charge. Then Lescott is bombed out of the squad for a 19 year old, coincidence?

If lescott is to be believed, there is some credence in saying that had the players listened to mancini, we wouldnt have won the league.

BUT, over 38 games we were in the end the best team so Mancini will rightly always be celebrated as the bloke who presided over it, and as time fades the only recollection people will have will be of the most thrilling finish to a league title in history.

The issue here seems to be that some people have clearly already committed ONLY that fact to their memory - with no objective concerns about the little things that led to the title.

Of course we see things objectively but some seem to see things subjectively. You, for instance, could bring up the fact that we lost to Arsenal away or that we lost to Chelsea, again away, some of the few negatives during the season, whereas I will point you to the 6-1 and 1-0 agains the Rags, the 5-1 away to Spurs, the 2-0 defeat of Everton, the 1-0 home against the Arse (best game of the season for me), the 2-1 at home to Chelsea .............. do I need to go on?

You answered it yourself, we won the league with 89 points and an incredible goal scoring record, combined with the best defensive one. By all means, slate Mancini for whatever you want but please, do not demeam the club by saying that we somehow didn't deserve it or were just lucky. It's a team game and it takes every single one of them to win a Premier League, and that's what they did.

[Beefymcfc]

Don't know quite how to say this Bovrilman but...

...I think I love you.

Bollocks. What he is saying is accurate. I loved the win and celebrated like mad. However the players including tevez rose above a shit 5 months and caught united who folded like a paper airplane.

You or I could have managed that last month because they stopped listening to mancini I felt and just went out and played.

Mancini did well. I wanted him to do better. He was stubborn and negative and typically Italian. He was a lobster dinner at times when we needed a fry up.

Cheers

This is getting beyond ridiculous.

The Newcastle game - who made the switch to take Nasri off for De Jong to enable Yaya to go further forward?

Who's tactics saw us play 90 minutes against U*d without them mustering a single shot on target?

Listen to what Silva had to say about that run in, he credits Mancini's psychological approach for the team's performances.

I'm sick of this shit that when we do well it's all down to the players and when we come up short it's 'the buck stops with the manager' blah de-fucking blah.

Is this tripe going to continue with Pellegrini in charge or does the buck stop with Txiki now?

Don't bother mate, it's just revisionist shit. People will point out that we were shit that season following the Chelsea game yet we still went on to win it.

As somebody said to me, some need to pull their heads from up their arses.

Anyway, back on topic. Sorriano, Txiki and Grinho ...................... OUT!

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

Don't bother mate, it's just revisionist shit. People will point out that we were shit that season following the Chelsea game yet we still went on to win it.

As somebody said to me, some need to pull their heads from up their arses.

Anyway, back on topic. Sorriano, Txiki and Grinho ...................... OUT!

Have you not noticed the lickers giving credit to Bob for the trophies and yet blaming the players for the Wigan debacle. It's swings and roundabouts.
Personally I blame Mancini for everything :-)

[Alex Sapphire]

Don't bother mate, it's just revisionist shit. People will point out that we were shit that season following the Chelsea game yet we still went on to win it.

As somebody said to me, some need to pull their heads from up their arses.

Anyway, back on topic. Sorriano, Txiki and Grinho ...................... OUT!

Have you not noticed the lickers giving credit to Bob for the trophies and yet blaming the players for the Wigan debacle. It's swings and roundabouts.
Personally I blame Mancini for everything :-)

that's a real kick in the nuts for our Chairman then. "I think everyone associated with Manchester City should be deeply appreciative of everything that Roberto has done for this club"
and I thought you were supportive of the leadership

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

that's a real kick in the nuts for our Chairman then. "I think everyone associated with Manchester City should be deeply appreciative of everything that Roberto has done for this club"
and I thought you were supportive of the leadership

To be absolutely honest, I appreciate him getting over the hump of winning the first trophy and taking on Bacon Face quite successfully.
On the other hand, maybe other managers could also have done that.

[Ted Hughes]

Some right shite being talked on both sides of this argument on here but luckily Khaldoon has it sensibly balanced & just about spot on imo.

We will never know if somene else would have won the league last season, but win it we did & it's one of the greatest moments in our history. Belittling it or denying Mancini's part & failling to give credit for this is ridiculous, & the FA Cup win was possibly even a bigger moment historically because we were a bunch of fucking losers, especially the fans. Mancini was one of the main reasons for that changing & he's done exactly what he was brought in to do.

Unfortunately, he has been fucking useless this season & fallen out with half the people at the club. The lickers are equally ridiculous in failling to admit this when it has been staring them in the face all fucking season. Deep down most know in their hearts (if they won't admit it on here)that Bob has not done the business this season. He doesn't seem like the ideal bloke to suit this plan (WHICH HAS ALWAYS BEEN THERE), so either he changed or left. It appears he won't change, so he's gone. Some of us have been telling you this was a possibility on a regular basis; it's obvious if you actually listen to Khaldoon when he speaks.

Pellegrini has an important job to do engineering the next phase of a plan which we have had from day one: Khaldoon has been telling you about it & I've been repeating it on here, but no cunt seems to listen & just whinge about Marwood not signing Lionel Messi. We will NOT spend big every year. We MAY do this year but then possibly won't do next year. Pellegrini will probably get some of his wishes in this market (as Bob did with 5 or 6 huge signings initially) & then be expected to add just one or two lesser players next time & MANAGE. Not kick up holy fuck & start criticising Txiki in public if Gareth Bale chooses Real Madrid over us next year.

God knows if he will be around for 2,3,4,5 years, but I bet he knows what his job is & he's going to be well paid for it. There is no guarantee it will go perfectly smoothly short term & he could even make an arse of it & have to be replaced, but the plan will remain & there is every reason for long term optimism & no reason to think the current owners & executive team can't deliver what they plan to. No reason whatsoever.

Monitoring their actions & making sure they are moving the club in the right direction is fair enough but, as with Marwood & Cook before, they are acting on the wishes of Khaldoon & Sheikh Mansour.

Interesting that Khaldoon's interview has attracted so much less interest on here than Soriano's.

Khaldoon is the boss. Listen to him when he speaks. If you don't like his plan; argue with that rather than blaming those who are ordered to implement it.