Soriano

[Alex Sapphire]

Ted, you talk some sense here, but you are dead wrong about one thing.
The plan HAS changed, and for someone who's apparently been keeping us all appraised of Mubarak's position, you should know that he's on record talking of dynasties and of managers running the football club.

Oh and he's also clear that we WILL spend this summer "Absolutely"

[Beefymcfc]

Don't bother mate, it's just revisionist shit. People will point out that we were shit that season following the Chelsea game yet we still went on to win it.

As somebody said to me, some need to pull their heads from up their arses.

Anyway, back on topic. Sorriano, Txiki and Grinho ...................... OUT!

Have you not noticed the lickers giving credit to Bob for the trophies and yet blaming the players for the Wigan debacle. It's swings and roundabouts.
Personally I blame Mancini for everything :-)

I blame them all mate, every single one of them. I blame them for getting us in the CL but not winning it, winning the FA Cup then failing to win it again and winning the league and then not retaining it. I tell thee, it's all their fault ;-)

[Hazy2]

Don't bother mate, it's just revisionist shit. People will point out that we were shit that season following the Chelsea game yet we still went on to win it.

As somebody said to me, some need to pull their heads from up their arses.

Anyway, back on topic. Sorriano, Txiki and Grinho ...................... OUT!

Have you not noticed the lickers giving credit to Bob for the trophies and yet blaming the players for the Wigan debacle. It's swings and roundabouts.
Personally I blame Mancini for everything :-)

I blame them all mate, every single one of them. I blame them for getting us in the CL but not winning it, winning the FA Cup then failing to win it again and winning the league and then not retaining it. I tell thee, it's all their fault ;-)

Where there is blame there is a claim, I blame Joe Hart for the Wigan loss. Panti would have caught it 1 handed, and not tried the one for the camera's

[Ted Hughes]

Ted, you talk some sense here, but you are dead wrong about one thing.
The plan HAS changed, and for someone who's apparently been keeping us all appraised of Mubarak's position, you should know that he's on record talking of dynasties and of managers running the football club.

Oh and he's also clear that we WILL spend this summer "Absolutely"

I recon he would still absolutely want to do that, & that's another reason Mancini has gone. If you asked me at the start of our title winning season, I would have thought that Mancini could be the bloke who helps develop our academy style & the system for bringing players through, then manages the team for ten years, in fact I recon I posted that hope on here.

Then he sticks his sons in the reserves & takes very little interest in it, argues with the boss on spending etc.

If you are building a dynasty, you first have to get the right bloke in charge. That could be Patrick Vieira or Pep Guardiola or anyone, but it clearly wasn't going to be Mancini.

[Swales4ever]

Has it ever occurred to You that's is very rich?
No matter how many school mates you can call to state You are a genuine nice idiot, this is still a football forum and Your footballing opinion holds the same rating of a Greek Sovereign Debt bond.

but don't worry, I doubt You shall read any posters calling Pellegrini a "clueless coward" when he will have slaughtered the Rags at their own swamp and delivered the title. That's just an exclusive feature of what 68 deems as being a genuine nice guy.

Some people one here, other than You and the half dozen of usual suspects, are just - slightly - concerned that the bloke You now support with so much enthusiasm on the evidence of a very poor factfile, might result a disappointing set back, even granted the players which were denied to avoid that Bob could have kept up the good work.

When cheap talks will have been backed by the triumphs in each and every competition, which are now being announced with great deal of emphasis, no one will come here to post nothing but praises for such remarkable achievements for the glory of the Club.
Here's hoping.

Oh Swales/Mancio. You slate my opinions and their validity but let me tell you my friend, all your credibility disappeared some time ago.

Oh, Piccs/Rag.... lemme first regret and apologise for the excess of colour I've put in my "slating". Calling You idiot was nasty and uneccessary. heat of the moment. madiocre mastering of the language and all that.... :-)

One paid my dues, I got a news for You, and my friend Lee boy, down under: credibility comes from accountability in real life, not from senior memberships on the cyberspace. Some people may find refreshing to have an alternative cyberego, supported by some schoolmates clique, but ain't real. Trust me, it's all about virtuality. Deadwoods still remain as such when the pc is switched off.
No matter how many people are desperate to maintain their point on their original opinion on "the clueless negative caretaker", then upgraded onto "Hughes would have achieved the same if given time" or "we won the title despite Mancini and thanks to Lescott".
Insofar the quality and credibility of footballing judgement of everyone, who's interested can easily find a redundant documentation on various opinions developed, or not developed despite facts, browsing back on this furum.

I honestly don't think to be the only one who considers scarcely representative of the general City fans base, that spat on here by a dozen of bitter assholes, desparate to maintain an untenable point. Nor I think that concerns on such a blatant switch of directions on the running down of the Club are not widely shared with the Blues, despite many of them had never been member of an internet fansforum. Whether Lee boy is able or not to appreciate that life and supports of MCFC exist even outside the cyberspace, where often happens that people more expert on crosswords, Ku Klux Klan's burnings and that variety of football played with the hands instead of the feet, take control and popularity.

As already said, all the genuine Blues will be delighted if the switch from, the announced but never fully implemented at City "football manager model", to the "beans counters model" will prove effective and the wonders promised by Soriano to fans and Investor will come true.
So far we have only experienced a riot, resulting in a massive seasonal fuck-up and a couple of heart warming interviews.
In my books that's enough ground for concern, until factual evidence to the contrary. Irrespectively of Mancini, who could have better replaced with another real "football manager" of proven superior track record, if actually deemed not good enough.

To say it with Martin Samual's words:

"Translation? If Pellegrini is successful it is because we have provided his perfect platform; we remain, he leaves, and this way we keep the ideas fresh around the first team. If he fails, it is because he has somehow ruined our fine work, so we stay and sack him, obviously, for failing to take advantage of our genius.
City are right, though — this is most certainly not like Chelsea. If Abramovich’s manager wins at least he lets him take some credit."

By the way:

You didn't post here before Mancini and you've had nothing positive to say since he left.

Why are you here?

I could tell You again, my Lee boy, for the nth time, but sure as hell it would be a waste of time and You, Wooders and alias will pose again the same question soon. So that, why bothering.
I have the very same right to be here as any other Blue, irrespectively of date of joining and insofar I won't breach the House Rules.
You certainly shan't read me trying to dismiss or diminish MCFC's achievements, as few others do just for self amusement sake.

[Tokyo Blue]

that's a real kick in the nuts for our Chairman then. "I think everyone associated with Manchester City should be deeply appreciative of everything that Roberto has done for this club"
and I thought you were supportive of the leadership

To be absolutely honest, I appreciate him getting over the hump of winning the first trophy and taking on Bacon Face quite successfully.
On the other hand, maybe other managers could also have done that.

But other managers didn't.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

But other managers didn't.

No that's perfectly correct.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

[QUOTE="Swales4ever"]

Oh, Piccs/Rag.... lemme first regret and apologise for the excess of colour I've put in my "slating". Calling You idiot was nasty and uneccessary. heat of the moment. madiocre mastering of the language and all that.... :-)

One paid my dues, I got a news for You, and my friend Lee boy, down under: credibility comes from accountability in real life, not from senior memberships on the cyberspace. Some people may find refreshing to have an alternative cyberego, supported by some schoolmates clique, but ain't real. Trust me, it's all about virtuality. Deadwoods still remain as such when the pc is switched off.
No matter how many people are desperate to maintain their point on their original opinion on "the clueless negative caretaker", then upgraded onto "Hughes would have achieved the same if given time" or "we won the title despite Mancini and thanks to Lescott".
Insofar the quality and credibility of footballing judgement of everyone, who's interested can easily find a redundant documentation on various opinions developed, or not developed . . . . And so on and so on.

Your lack of credibility comes from you posting utter bollox like this that meanders on forever.

[Socrates]

Don't bother mate, it's just revisionist shit. People will point out that we were shit that season following the Chelsea game yet we still went on to win it.

As somebody said to me, some need to pull their heads from up their arses.

Anyway, back on topic. Sorriano, Txiki and Grinho ...................... OUT!

Have you not noticed the lickers giving credit to Bob for the trophies and yet blaming the players for the Wigan debacle. It's swings and roundabouts.
Personally I blame Mancini for everything :-)

I'm sure there were rags that still gave credit to SBF for previously winning trophies in the years that he drew a blank. Many more though will have been the same as you are these days, expecting to dominate every year with no exceptions. That you expect us to so soon after we have started this project is wrong on so many levels that you are barely worth a response.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I'm sure there were rags that still gave credit to SBF for previously winning trophies in the years that he drew a blank. Many more though will have been the same as you are these days, expecting to dominate every year with no exceptions. That you expect us to so soon after we have started this project is wrong on so many levels that you are barely worth a response.

Well stop responding then.

[Wooders]

@mancio
When you joined this forum you said you joined because of your love for mancini and you support any team he is at - now you're harping on to the likes of me and piccs what it is to be a true blue?? Fucks sake man get a grip
The reason i think you'll be gone is because when mancini gets a new club, you'll be on their forum preaching to the life long fans what it means to support their team

[Feed The Goat]

Nobody has said we should be dominating everything and I don't believe anyone has tried to undermine the clubs achievements.

What has been said is the league could've and should've been won comfortably and would've been had Mancini not panicked and reverted to type he nearly blew it and only Kidd believed the title was still winnable after the Arsenal game.

Yes he won 2 trophies well done but it is harder to fail than achieve given his resources

[Ted Hughes]

Nobody has said we should be dominating everything and I don't believe anyone has tried to undermine the clubs achievements.

What has been said is the league could've and should've been won comfortably and would've been had Mancini not panicked and reverted to type he nearly blew it and only Kidd believed the title was still winnable after the Arsenal game.

Yes he won 2 trophies well done but it is harder to fail than achieve given his resources

I don't see how anyone can possibly know that to be the case.

Chelsea had loads of quality players last season & got nowhere near to winning the league.

[Feed The Goat]

I don't see how anyone can possibly know that to be the case.

Chelsea had loads of quality players last season & got nowhere near to winning the league.

Because we were flying first half of the season nobody could see united catching us never mind passing us and then pulling away

[Ted Hughes]

I don't see how anyone can possibly know that to be the case.

Chelsea had loads of quality players last season & got nowhere near to winning the league.

Because we were flying first half of the season nobody could see united catching us never mind passing us and then pulling away

But Mancini was the manager when we were 'flying' it was his team, which he put together.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

that's a real kick in the nuts for our Chairman then. "I think everyone associated with Manchester City should be deeply appreciative of everything that Roberto has done for this club"
and I thought you were supportive of the leadership

To be absolutely honest, I appreciate him getting over the hump of winning the first trophy and taking on Bacon Face quite successfully.
On the other hand, maybe other managers could also have done that.

But other managers didn't.

Exactly.

Can we at very least get over the absolutely ridiculous argument of what may or may not have happened in some parallel universe.

Despite being a licker I mostly agree with what Ted said in his post above. Whether plans changed or were the same from the beginning is irrelevant. They wanted to implement the Director of Football system and Mancini was very poor fit. I'm not even going to try to argue against that. Mancini was and is definitely old school "suits are there signs checks" type and it was never going to sit well with him that someone else was calling the shots regarding player transfers and contracts.

Judging by what he did for us, I still think Mancini sacking was an outrage. However we have this system now and need to move on with it. I don't think it's a good system but that's just my opinion. Only thing I'm hoping for is that correct people will be blamed for if things go wrong and get the praise if it works out. Switching managers every year will not work if the problem is somewhere else. I would also like them to honest and straightforward about it. For example Soriano and Beguiristain should come out and just say that "we take care of the business, Pellegrini is the coach" instead of making supporters think that if we are not right personnel wise it's cool and ok to throw Pellegrini to wolves and get some other puppet in.

[Ted Hughes]

that's a real kick in the nuts for our Chairman then. "I think everyone associated with Manchester City should be deeply appreciative of everything that Roberto has done for this club"
and I thought you were supportive of the leadership

To be absolutely honest, I appreciate him getting over the hump of winning the first trophy and taking on Bacon Face quite successfully.
On the other hand, maybe other managers could also have done that.

But other managers didn't.

Exactly.

Can we at very least get over the absolutely ridiculous argument of what may or may not have happened in some parallel universe.

Despite being a licker I mostly agree with what Ted said in his post above. Whether plans changed or were the same from the beginning is irrelevant. They wanted to implement the Director of Football system and Mancini was very poor fit. I'm not even going to try to argue against that. Mancini was and is definitely old school "suits are there signs checks" type and it was never going to sit well with him that someone else was calling the shots regarding player transfers and contracts.

Judging by what he did for us, I still think Mancini sacking was an outrage. However we have this system now and need to move on with it. I don't think it's a good system but that's just my opinion. Only thing I'm hoping for is that correct people will be blamed for if things go wrong and get the praise if it works out. Switching managers every year will not work if the problem is somewhere else. I would also like them to honest and straightforward about it. For example Soriano and Beguiristain should come out and just say that "we take care of the business, Pellegrini is the coach" instead of making supporters think that if we are not right personnel wise it's cool and ok to throw Pellegrini to wolves and get some other puppet in.

I don't think that the talk Pellegrini had with Tricky will be purely about the academy; these players will be signed with his consultation.

If he plays 6 up front & we lose 8-0 every away game & finish mid table, that won't be Txiki's fault (it will be his fault for appointing Pellegrini & his duty to find someone better of course). If the next bloke after Pelle was also hopeless THEN Txiki would be to blame.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

that's a real kick in the nuts for our Chairman then. "I think everyone associated with Manchester City should be deeply appreciative of everything that Roberto has done for this club"
and I thought you were supportive of the leadership

To be absolutely honest, I appreciate him getting over the hump of winning the first trophy and taking on Bacon Face quite successfully.
On the other hand, maybe other managers could also have done that.

But other managers didn't.

Exactly.

Can we at very least get over the absolutely ridiculous argument of what may or may not have happened in some parallel universe.

Despite being a licker I mostly agree with what Ted said in his post above. Whether plans changed or were the same from the beginning is irrelevant. They wanted to implement the Director of Football system and Mancini was very poor fit. I'm not even going to try to argue against that. Mancini was and is definitely old school "suits are there signs checks" type and it was never going to sit well with him that someone else was calling the shots regarding player transfers and contracts.

Judging by what he did for us, I still think Mancini sacking was an outrage. However we have this system now and need to move on with it. I don't think it's a good system but that's just my opinion. Only thing I'm hoping for is that correct people will be blamed for if things go wrong and get the praise if it works out. Switching managers every year will not work if the problem is somewhere else. I would also like them to honest and straightforward about it. For example Soriano and Beguiristain should come out and just say that "we take care of the business, Pellegrini is the coach" instead of making supporters think that if we are not right personnel wise it's cool and ok to throw Pellegrini to wolves and get some other puppet in.

I don't think that the talk Pellegrini had with Tricky will be purely about the academy; these players will be signed with his consultation.

If he plays 6 up front & we lose 8-0 every away game & finish mid table, that won't be Txiki's fault (it will be his fault for appointing Pellegrini & his duty to find someone better of course). If the next bloke after Pelle was also hopeless THEN Txiki would be to blame.

You are always making excuses for these guys. Marwood and now Beguiristain and Soriano. Why is that?

And to avoid these pointless argument they need to come out and say who is in CHARGE of what operations. I'm sure they might talk to the manager about the names but I'm also 100% sure by now that it's not Pellegrini who is in CHARGE of player transfers. There's also possibility that NO ONE is talking to Pellegrini and they just bring these guys in. Not at all unpresented in Director of Football system.

[Ted Hughes]

You are always making excuses for these guys. Marwood and now Beguiristain and Soriano. Why is that?

And to avoid these pointless argument they need to come out and say who is in CHARGE of what operations. I'm sure they might talk to the manager about the names but I'm also 100% sure by now that it's not Pellegrini who is in CHARGE of player transfers. There's also possibility that NO ONE is talking to Pellegrini and they just bring these guys in. Not at all unpresented in Director of Football system.

In Marwood's case because our recent transfer system has been, on the whole, fucking fantastic; he had a team of people working on it who were then allowed to leave before the last transfer window because there was a new one coming in, & he was getting shit for it.

I agree that these blokes are in charge of transfers & the success & failure of negotiations will be their department. I also believe they will sign players for the reserves/academy independantly of the manager. They may even sign players between managers.

I don't believe they are signing these blokes now without agreement from Pellegrini though. They are doing their best to give him him the tools he is asking for, just as Cook/Marwood did with Mancini when he arrived.

[Risby]

In Marwood's case because our recent transfer system has been, on the whole, fucking fantastic; he had a team of people working on it who were then allowed to leave before the last transfer window because there was a new one coming in, & he was getting shit for it.

I agree that these blokes are in charge of transfers & the success & failure of negotiations will be their department. I also believe they will sign players for the reserves/academy independantly of the manager. They may even sign players between managers.

I don't believe they are signing these blokes now without agreement from Pellegrini though. They are doing their best to give him him the tools he is asking for, just as Cook/Marwood did with Mancini when he arrived.

I agree. I've said it before, I think the two upstairs will have scouted an abundance of players for all the city teams.

In terms of first team players, the same would have happened and now Pellegrini is in the picture, he will be sitting down looking at the list and together they will choose which players will improve the team/squad.

Scouting will be done without Pellegrini knowing unless he has specifically asked for a player or position to kept an eye on. A database will kept for when such players may be required.

I also think Vieira will have a say in who may fit the criteria for city now, especially for the younger players we have been looking at and with the club training him up to be an important member of the setup.