Soriano

[Ted Hughes]

In Marwood's case because our recent transfer system has been, on the whole, fucking fantastic; he had a team of people working on it who were then allowed to leave before the last transfer window because there was a new one coming in, & he was getting shit for it.

I agree that these blokes are in charge of transfers & the success & failure of negotiations will be their department. I also believe they will sign players for the reserves/academy independantly of the manager. They may even sign players between managers.

I don't believe they are signing these blokes now without agreement from Pellegrini though. They are doing their best to give him him the tools he is asking for, just as Cook/Marwood did with Mancini when he arrived.

I agree. I've said it before, I think the two upstairs will have scouted an abundance of players for all the city teams.

In terms of first team players, the same would have happened and now Pellegrini is in the picture, he will be sitting down looking at the list and together they will choose which players will improve the team/squad.

Scouting will be done without Pellegrini knowing unless he has specifically asked for a player or position to kept an eye on. A database will kept for when such players may be required.

I also think Vieira will have a say in who may fit the criteria for city now, especially for the younger players we have been looking at and with the club training him up to be an important member of the setup.

Scouting is an ongoing process, so we will still have players on our files who were scouted when Pearce was in charge. (Jovetic for instance). Obviously our system is getting bigger & better but Mancini will have been offered some of the players Hughes was looking at & Pelle will be offered some of the players Bob was looking at, as well as new options.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You are always making excuses for these guys. Marwood and now Beguiristain and Soriano. Why is that?

And to avoid these pointless argument they need to come out and say who is in CHARGE of what operations. I'm sure they might talk to the manager about the names but I'm also 100% sure by now that it's not Pellegrini who is in CHARGE of player transfers. There's also possibility that NO ONE is talking to Pellegrini and they just bring these guys in. Not at all unpresented in Director of Football system.

In Marwood's case because our recent transfer system has been, on the whole, fucking fantastic; he had a team of people working on it who were then allowed to leave before the last transfer window because there was a new one coming in, & he was getting shit for it.

I agree that these blokes are in charge of transfers & the success & failure of negotiations will be their department. I also believe they will sign players for the reserves/academy independantly of the manager. They may even sign players between managers.

I don't believe they are signing these blokes now without agreement from Pellegrini though. They are doing their best to give him him the tools he is asking for, just as Cook/Marwood did with Mancini when he arrived.

Well I have to disagree.
Nastasic was excellent purchase and Rodwell was alright. Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair were all more or less, well shite really. As far as outgoings, getting rid of Adebayor was essential but it was a crap deal financially, getting rid of De Jong for Peanuts was horrible move, Balotelli transfer was neither really good or really bad.

That's not excellent track record by any stretch of imagination. Then you throw in there not being able to attract Hazard or De Rossi and it all looks pretty horrible.

[Cocacolajojo1]

You are always making excuses for these guys. Marwood and now Beguiristain and Soriano. Why is that?

And to avoid these pointless argument they need to come out and say who is in CHARGE of what operations. I'm sure they might talk to the manager about the names but I'm also 100% sure by now that it's not Pellegrini who is in CHARGE of player transfers. There's also possibility that NO ONE is talking to Pellegrini and they just bring these guys in. Not at all unpresented in Director of Football system.

In Marwood's case because our recent transfer system has been, on the whole, fucking fantastic; he had a team of people working on it who were then allowed to leave before the last transfer window because there was a new one coming in, & he was getting shit for it.

I agree that these blokes are in charge of transfers & the success & failure of negotiations will be their department. I also believe they will sign players for the reserves/academy independantly of the manager. They may even sign players between managers.

I don't believe they are signing these blokes now without agreement from Pellegrini though. They are doing their best to give him him the tools he is asking for, just as Cook/Marwood did with Mancini when he arrived.

Well I have to disagree.
Nastasic was excellent purchase and Rodwell was alright. Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair were all more or less, well shite really. As far as outgoings, getting rid of Adebayor was essential but it was a crap deal financially, getting rid of De Jong for Peanuts was horrible move, Balotelli transfer was neither really good or really bad.

That's not excellent track record by any stretch of imagination. Then you throw in there not being able to attract Hazard or De Rossi and it all looks pretty horrible.

Also unable to seal several deals until the last minutes of the transfer windows. It seems Marwood was good enough before FFP became a reality but as soon that had to be taken into consideration, it seems it got harder for him.

I think it's pretty evident from this window that these new guys are all for getting players in before pre-seasons. The corpse of Mancini is barely cold and we've already secured two players with FFP-restrictions. Did not happen under Marwood.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You are always making excuses for these guys. Marwood and now Beguiristain and Soriano. Why is that?

And to avoid these pointless argument they need to come out and say who is in CHARGE of what operations. I'm sure they might talk to the manager about the names but I'm also 100% sure by now that it's not Pellegrini who is in CHARGE of player transfers. There's also possibility that NO ONE is talking to Pellegrini and they just bring these guys in. Not at all unpresented in Director of Football system.

In Marwood's case because our recent transfer system has been, on the whole, fucking fantastic; he had a team of people working on it who were then allowed to leave before the last transfer window because there was a new one coming in, & he was getting shit for it.

I agree that these blokes are in charge of transfers & the success & failure of negotiations will be their department. I also believe they will sign players for the reserves/academy independantly of the manager. They may even sign players between managers.

I don't believe they are signing these blokes now without agreement from Pellegrini though. They are doing their best to give him him the tools he is asking for, just as Cook/Marwood did with Mancini when he arrived.

Well I have to disagree.
Nastasic was excellent purchase and Rodwell was alright. Garcia, Maicon and Sinclair were all more or less, well shite really. As far as outgoings, getting rid of Adebayor was essential but it was a crap deal financially, getting rid of De Jong for Peanuts was horrible move, Balotelli transfer was neither really good or really bad.

That's not excellent track record by any stretch of imagination. Then you throw in there not being able to attract Hazard or De Rossi and it all looks pretty horrible.

Also unable to seal several deals until the last minutes of the transfer windows. It seems Marwood was good enough before FFP became a reality but as soon that had to be taken into consideration, it seems it got harder for him.

I think it's pretty evident from this window that these new guys are all for getting players in before pre-seasons. The corpse of Mancini is barely cold and we've already secured two players with FFP-restrictions. Did not happen under Marwood.

They're in a position to get it done now because we're not penny pinching like we were last summer.

I think we need to factor in what Ted referred to also about Rigg. The fact that the club was going through a massive change at boardroom level played it's part in last summer too imo. We had a passive interim CEO in MacBeath who was just holding the fort as opposed to having a real go-getter in Cook the summer before, not afraid to make the big calls on financial outlay.

We spent just £14 net last season, this imo is because we were prepping the ground for Soriano and Txiki to come in and have access to the finances they needed to implement the change they wanted. In hindsight a massive bollock dropped by the club in terms of our failures on the pitch last season but can see the logic in what they did, if my theory is right.

@NQDP, Balotelli's transfer to Milan had nothing to do with Marwood, that was Txiki's baby.

[Herb]

As a point of consideration; I think that Mancini's stated issue with Marwood has poisoned the fan perspective and quite possibly unfairly.

[Socrates]

To be fair to Marwood, he was out of his depth once Cookie went and that was clear. At the very least the remaining execs were spread too thin. Is history now, generally agree with Antti on this including the fact that Ted's assessment is largely correct but that Mancini's sacking in favour of this mode of operations is still an outrage at this stage. Soriani is looking for the next cycle before the previous cycle had had chance to conclude. I fear a step backwards and a club held back by politics, I hope beyond everything that I am wrong.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

As a point of consideration; I think that Mancini's stated issue with Marwood has poisoned the fan perspective and quite possibly unfairly.

Agreed, it was unfair. Marwood was never our shmoozer, that was Mike Rigg, the club didn't replace him last summer because they knew they had Txiki lined up.

Txiki is now effectively doing the job that Marwood and Rigg did combined.

Mancini's real issue was higher up but he used Marwood as his scapegoat because he was an easy target.

[john@staustell]

Definitely makes a difference having 'heavyweights' in the football world doing our business. Although from Del Nido's comments it seems Sevilla would have accepted less for Navas and he was surprised we offered so much as an only bidder. Oh well!

[Cocacolajojo1]

They're in a position to get it done now because we're not penny pinching like we were last summer.

See link : http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/manchester-city/transfers/verein_281_2012_default_default_alle_a_default.html

We didn't exactly penny pinch last summer. Our net spend was around 37 million, THEN Humle and Dumle joined us and sold Balotelli in the Winter. And spending is not not even counting the salaries which Garcia, Rodwell and company are on and we still had (and still have for 25 more days) RSC and Bridge mixing it up in our salary budgets. The upcoming release of these two I think has a big impact on our decision to spend. Also, we might have spent more if we had gotten our targets but we didn't. Whether or not our choice not to spend a shitload of cash was a purely financial one or a choice also connected to failures in the transfer market though is pure speculation. However, we spent alright. Mancini did his best though to make everyone believe we hadn't.

We spent just £14 net last season, this imo is because we were prepping the ground for Soriano and Txiki to come in and have access to the finances they needed to implement the change they wanted. In hindsight a massive bollock dropped by the club in terms of our failures on the pitch last season but can see the logic in what they did, if my theory is right.

Well it could have been that, it could have been because whoever handled our transfers didn't play their cards right AND we're not only talking about last summer, we're talking about the transfers of Milner and Balotelli three summers ago and Nasri two summers ago. The only time Marwood moved at this pace was when we had not FFP restrictions on our hand. These guys are acting within the new economic parameters and they are as fast as Marwood without restrictions.

As for the argument about the scouting dept, it is definitely true that we've undergone a massive change there but most clubs in the PL have undergone the same changes as us, with the intro of more stats in player analysis. It's a general trend is what I'm saying. We probably took it to another level than most as we had the dough to do so but it's not really something I find relevant, unless I'm missing something. Also, as stated above, the re-construction of our scouting system did not impede on Marwood in 2009. He signed Gareth Barry on my birthday, the 2nd of june.

He, or his colleagues or someone else and if not, his dog, had problems handling this job. Paco and Taco don't.

[Original Dub]

To be fair to Marwood, he was out of his depth once Cookie went and that was clear. At the very least the remaining execs were spread too thin. Is history now, generally agree with Antti on this including the fact that Ted's assessment is largely correct but that Mancini's sacking in favour of this mode of operations is still an outrage at this stage. Soriani is looking for the next cycle before the previous cycle had had chance to conclude. I fear a step backwards and a club held back by politics, I hope beyond everything that I am wrong.

You've been "fearing" for quite a long time now.

You shouldn't fear what is happening the club, you should embrace it. It really is a joy to behold.

[john@staustell]

We spent just £14 net last season, .

Wow that's paying attention to detail. None of yer 'undisclosed' here :-)

[Foreverinbluedreams]

They're in a position to get it done now because we're not penny pinching like we were last summer.

See link : http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/manchester-city/transfers/verein_281_2012_default_default_alle_a_default.html

We didn't exactly penny pinch last summer. Our net spend was around 37 million, THEN Humle and Dumle joined us and sold Balotelli in the Winter. And spending is not not even counting the salaries which Garcia, Rodwell and company are on and we still had (and still have for 25 more days) RSC and Bridge mixing it up in our salary budgets. The upcoming release of these two I think has a big impact on our decision to spend. Also, we might have spent more if we had gotten our targets but we didn't. Whether or not our choice not to spend a shitload of cash was a purely financial one or a choice also connected to failures in the transfer market though is pure speculation. However, we spent alright. Mancini did his best though to make everyone believe we hadn't.

We spent just £14 net last season, this imo is because we were prepping the ground for Soriano and Txiki to come in and have access to the finances they needed to implement the change they wanted. In hindsight a massive bollock dropped by the club in terms of our failures on the pitch last season but can see the logic in what they did, if my theory is right.

Well it could have been that, it could have been because whoever handled our transfers didn't play their cards right AND we're not only talking about last summer, we're talking about the transfers of Milner and Balotelli three summers ago and Nasri two summers ago. The only time Marwood moved at this pace was when we had not FFP restrictions on our hand. These guys are acting within the new economic parameters and they are as fast as Marwood without restrictions.

As for the argument about the scouting dept, it is definitely true that we've undergone a massive change there but most clubs in the PL have undergone the same changes as us, with the intro of more stats in player analysis. It's a general trend is what I'm saying. We probably took it to another level than most as we had the dough to do so but it's not really something I find relevant, unless I'm missing something. Also, as stated above, the re-construction of our scouting system did not impede on Marwood in 2009. He signed Gareth Barry on my birthday, the 2nd of june.

He, or his colleagues or someone else and if not, his dog, had problems handling this job. Paco and Taco don't.

It was never Marwood's job to get deals done, it was Rigg's. It was Rigg that did all the meeting and greeting, that shmoozed agents to convince them to sign for City. Marwood was involved in the final process of the deals with the club's lawyers, hence his title of Football Administrations Officer. He was dropped in the shit last year because of the boardroom changes that were happening and expected to do a job that he had no experience doing.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

We spent just £14 net last season, .

Wow that's paying attention to detail. None of yer 'undisclosed' here :-)

Haha.

Sorry, should've qualified that by saying according to Transfermarket.com.

[Swales4ever]

@mancio
[highlight]When you joined this forum you said you joined because of your love for mancini and you support any team he is at[/highlight] - now you're harping on to the likes of me and piccs what it is to be a true blue?? Fucks sake man get a grip
The reason i think you'll be gone is because when mancini gets a new club, you'll be on their forum preaching to the life long fans what it means to support their team

[highlight]You're lying, knowing to lie,[/highlight] but if You want to establish who's the clown between us, I defy You at coping my exact quote of that.
I also defy You on betting Your house, on that deliberately false assumption that I'll be gone when mancini will get another Club.
And trust me, the merit of Your Bluer than blue support, won't increase by cheating fellow Blues.

Failing that, if You don't want to get down the same path of those who miserably failed on trying and cheat me, You are kindly request to shout the f**k up and, eventually join Doomie, awaiting in the shade of deluded hope.

As I said, I'll try my best to rarefy my confrontational presence until something more than gossip will be up for debate. When hopefully the revisionists galore will be over. Do not insist and provoke me, though.

[DoomMerchant]

You're lying, knowing to lie, but if You want to establish who's the clown between us, I defy You at coping my exact quote of that.
I also defy You on betting Your house, on that deliberately false assumption that I'll be gone when mancini will get another Club.
And trust me, the merit of Your Bluer than blue support, won't increase by cheating fellow Blues.

Failing that, if You don't want to get down the same path of those who miserably failed on trying and cheat me, You are kindly request to shout the f**k up and, eventually join Doomie, awaiting in the shade of deluded hope.

As I said, I'll try my best to rarefy my confrontational presence until something more than gossip will be up for debate. When hopefully the revisionists galore will be over. Do not insist and provoke me, though.

You are setting new levels of achievement for an intentional and pathetic flame out.

[Swales4ever]

You're lying, knowing to lie, but if You want to establish who's the clown between us, I defy You at coping my exact quote of that.
I also defy You on betting Your house, on that deliberately false assumption that I'll be gone when mancini will get another Club.
And trust me, the merit of Your Bluer than blue support, won't increase by cheating fellow Blues.

Failing that, if You don't want to get down the same path of those who miserably failed on trying and cheat me, You are kindly request to shout the f**k up and, eventually join Doomie, awaiting in the shade of deluded hope.

As I said, I'll try my best to rarefy my confrontational presence until something more than gossip will be up for debate. When hopefully the revisionists galore will be over. Do not insist and provoke me, though.

You are setting new levels of achievement for an intentional and pathetic flame out.

You fucking did, and now, when getting reward, You try and hide finger just out from the jar.
I tried to settled it down with some humour, but You insisted. If You want to run Your own popularity contest, You should be ready to pay the price.

[Cocacolajojo1]

They're in a position to get it done now because we're not penny pinching like we were last summer.

See link : http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/manchester-city/transfers/verein_281_2012_default_default_alle_a_default.html

We didn't exactly penny pinch last summer. Our net spend was around 37 million, THEN Humle and Dumle joined us and sold Balotelli in the Winter. And spending is not not even counting the salaries which Garcia, Rodwell and company are on and we still had (and still have for 25 more days) RSC and Bridge mixing it up in our salary budgets. The upcoming release of these two I think has a big impact on our decision to spend. Also, we might have spent more if we had gotten our targets but we didn't. Whether or not our choice not to spend a shitload of cash was a purely financial one or a choice also connected to failures in the transfer market though is pure speculation. However, we spent alright. Mancini did his best though to make everyone believe we hadn't.

We spent just £14 net last season, this imo is because we were prepping the ground for Soriano and Txiki to come in and have access to the finances they needed to implement the change they wanted. In hindsight a massive bollock dropped by the club in terms of our failures on the pitch last season but can see the logic in what they did, if my theory is right.

Well it could have been that, it could have been because whoever handled our transfers didn't play their cards right AND we're not only talking about last summer, we're talking about the transfers of Milner and Balotelli three summers ago and Nasri two summers ago. The only time Marwood moved at this pace was when we had not FFP restrictions on our hand. These guys are acting within the new economic parameters and they are as fast as Marwood without restrictions.

As for the argument about the scouting dept, it is definitely true that we've undergone a massive change there but most clubs in the PL have undergone the same changes as us, with the intro of more stats in player analysis. It's a general trend is what I'm saying. We probably took it to another level than most as we had the dough to do so but it's not really something I find relevant, unless I'm missing something. Also, as stated above, the re-construction of our scouting system did not impede on Marwood in 2009. He signed Gareth Barry on my birthday, the 2nd of june.

He, or his colleagues or someone else and if not, his dog, had problems handling this job. Paco and Taco don't.

It was never Marwood's job to get deals done, it was Rigg's. It was Rigg that did all the meeting and greeting, that shmoozed agents to convince them to sign for City. Marwood was involved in the final process of the deals with the club's lawyers, hence his title of Football Administrations Officer. He was dropped in the shit last year because of the boardroom changes that were happening and expected to do a job that he had no experience doing.

Fine, then Riggs wasn't doing a good job first and then Marwood wasn't last year. Nuance added!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

They're in a position to get it done now because we're not penny pinching like we were last summer.

See link : http://www.transfermarkt.de/de/manchester-city/transfers/verein_281_2012_default_default_alle_a_default.html

We didn't exactly penny pinch last summer. Our net spend was around 37 million, THEN Humle and Dumle joined us and sold Balotelli in the Winter. And spending is not not even counting the salaries which Garcia, Rodwell and company are on and we still had (and still have for 25 more days) RSC and Bridge mixing it up in our salary budgets. The upcoming release of these two I think has a big impact on our decision to spend. Also, we might have spent more if we had gotten our targets but we didn't. Whether or not our choice not to spend a shitload of cash was a purely financial one or a choice also connected to failures in the transfer market though is pure speculation. However, we spent alright. Mancini did his best though to make everyone believe we hadn't.

We spent just £14 net last season, this imo is because we were prepping the ground for Soriano and Txiki to come in and have access to the finances they needed to implement the change they wanted. In hindsight a massive bollock dropped by the club in terms of our failures on the pitch last season but can see the logic in what they did, if my theory is right.

Well it could have been that, it could have been because whoever handled our transfers didn't play their cards right AND we're not only talking about last summer, we're talking about the transfers of Milner and Balotelli three summers ago and Nasri two summers ago. The only time Marwood moved at this pace was when we had not FFP restrictions on our hand. These guys are acting within the new economic parameters and they are as fast as Marwood without restrictions.

As for the argument about the scouting dept, it is definitely true that we've undergone a massive change there but most clubs in the PL have undergone the same changes as us, with the intro of more stats in player analysis. It's a general trend is what I'm saying. We probably took it to another level than most as we had the dough to do so but it's not really something I find relevant, unless I'm missing something. Also, as stated above, the re-construction of our scouting system did not impede on Marwood in 2009. He signed Gareth Barry on my birthday, the 2nd of june.

He, or his colleagues or someone else and if not, his dog, had problems handling this job. Paco and Taco don't.

It was never Marwood's job to get deals done, it was Rigg's. It was Rigg that did all the meeting and greeting, that shmoozed agents to convince them to sign for City. Marwood was involved in the final process of the deals with the club's lawyers, hence his title of Football Administrations Officer. He was dropped in the shit last year because of the boardroom changes that were happening and expected to do a job that he had no experience doing.

Fine, then Riggs wasn't doing a good job first and then Marwood wasn't last year. Nuance added!

Amazing really that they managed to hold down their respective positions for so long considering our Arab owners supposedly accept nothing but the best.

[Im_Spartacus]

You fucking did, and now, when getting reward, You try and hide finger just out from the jar.

When ze seagulls.......

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

To be fair to Marwood, he was out of his depth once Cookie went and that was clear. At the very least the remaining execs were spread too thin. Is history now, generally agree with Antti on this including the fact that Ted's assessment is largely correct but that Mancini's sacking in favour of this mode of operations is still an outrage at this stage. Soriani is looking for the next cycle before the previous cycle had had chance to conclude. I fear a step backwards and a club held back by politics, I hope beyond everything that I am wrong.

An outrage? Give over.