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Re: pellegrini

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:45 am

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:Plan bzzzzzzZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZzzz

What a fucking age old cliche. His "plan B" worked pretty well against QPR didn't it? When people start to go against manager it's always the fucking "plan B" card that gets thrown in. Generally what I assume most people mean by it is that when we are behind, manager does something to change the game plan. To react to ongoing situation. I thought overall Mancini did pretty well in that department. He often changed formations early in the game if it wasn't working out. Thing is that when there's 20 minutes left on the clock and you are behind, the odds are already against you no matter what you do. Mancini did pretty good job fighting those odds usually.

His realy shortcoming was the idiotic experiments with wingback system.


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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:32 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote: In other words he sometimes lacked the bottle to make the kind of changes neccessary to change the game, preferring to play safe first each time & when he did decide on a plan, it was sometimes the wrong one, which is prettty much what we've just said.



I didn't think lacked the bottle to make changes. Not at all. It's just that you are not going to end up winning every game where you are 0-1 down and have 20 minutes to go. That simply doesn't always happen. You take certain chances at that stage and sometimes they pay off and other times they don't. It's the same with EVERY manager. Difference between good and bad manager is how OFTEN he is able to turn the games around and Mancini did that often enough to warrant him being called good manager.

In fact, I think Mancini's problem was little bit the opposite you are claiming. I think he had numerous different tactical base ideas and variants. One of his main problems was that he needed to be constantly tinkering with his tactics never to be fully satisfied. After league winning season we were (clearly) moving to right direction. Instead of just taking where we left off following season he started to make changes like the Wingback system and experimenting with different variations of three man midfield (both narrow and wide) and different variations of three up front ( two CF's with one guy playing off them, three man wide with one CF and two guys very wide etc). In lot of times he seemed to overthink the whole gameplan. There was also the massive mistake of thinking that he has room to operate and make these expirements after winning the title.

So all in all, I strongly disagree that he didn't have "plan B". His faults were elsewhere.


You are forgtting the mid season spell where the rags overtook us as the best team & we struggled against rubbish. That was when attacking variation was needed & it almost cost us the title. The rags bottling it & the boost of Tevez gave us something new at the death. But the fact remained; we had been sussed, & it showed last season.

I didn't say Bob was a bad manager, he was an excellent manager he won the league, but his so called plan B was tactical shite & overcomplicated rather than just getting the job done in the best way, when all of us could see the rags battering teams with simple football. If we had tried something like it & failed, then it would be fair enough to say Bob had done his best with a plan B & the pklayers couldn't do it, but we never did. Fucking around with midfield formations & back fives is only of some use if the team you are playing against has an interest in playing football & most of those who did ate his back 5 for breakfast anyway.

It was the bus parkers who caused us most problems though. If they are just stood there in two banks of five, it is unlikely to make a difference if you play 3 or 4 in midfield. It makes a difference if the ball is bouncing around in their box for 45 mins though.

Width, or mistakes caused by it, is the usual way of solving the problem; even Spain are realising that. It won't work 100% of the time, but I recon the rags have proved it works 85%, at Prem level anyway.

When you go for years with no wide players, & when others do go wide, they are mostly playing mainly on their wrong foot, so can't cross the ball (but aren't supposed to anyway), but you have signed 2 big strikers like Dzeko & Balotelli (who never play together for that reason), & then when you do sign a wide player you don't play him at all, you are not getting the best from the players available.

It appears as if the count is going to do something about that, but of course he may stick Navas on the wrong side & pass the ball sideways for all I know.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Hazy2 » Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:51 pm

Nasri blew the derby comeback from 0-2 that for me turned the season giving the scum belief.
Mancini lacked width along with management skills which failed to get the best out of the players, However the performance at the swamp was as good as we have played under Mancini, in terms of tactics, subs and could have been another good hiding for them if we had made the right passes. Pelli is gonna rip it up IMHO.
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Re: pellegrini

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Re: pellegrini

Postby Im_Spartacus » Mon Jul 01, 2013 4:10 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:
I didn't think lacked the bottle to make changes. Not at all. It's just that you are not going to end up winning every game where you are 0-1 down and have 20 minutes to go. That simply doesn't always happen. You take certain chances at that stage and sometimes they pay off and other times they don't. It's the same with EVERY manager. Difference between good and bad manager is how OFTEN he is able to turn the games around and Mancini did that often enough to warrant him being called good manager.

In fact, I think Mancini's problem was little bit the opposite you are claiming. I think he had numerous different tactical base ideas and variants. One of his main problems was that he needed to be constantly tinkering with his tactics never to be fully satisfied. After league winning season we were (clearly) moving to right direction. Instead of just taking where we left off following season he started to make changes like the Wingback system and experimenting with different variations of three man midfield (both narrow and wide) and different variations of three up front ( two CF's with one guy playing off them, three man wide with one CF and two guys very wide etc). In lot of times he seemed to overthink the whole gameplan. There was also the massive mistake of thinking that he has room to operate and make these expirements after winning the title.

So all in all, I strongly disagree that he didn't have "plan B". His faults were elsewhere.


I think the issue was often for me that the plan b (kitchen sink approach) was generally employed when the aimless passing through the middle had failed, and usually after we had conceded our customary sloppy goal or two - particularly this season.

Whilst I admire some of our comebacks and the way he was behind them, they were more often than not disguising the shite that caused us to be in that position in the first place.

Citing the qpr game as an example of his plan b is probably not the best example given that he was still telling our centre halves players to stay back for attacking set pieces in the 90th minute.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby blues-clues » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:12 pm

Here is the picture that was actually taken, filtered using a silver nitrate developing solution made with holy water and the photographic paper rubbed with garlic...


Mr Pellegrini Heads off away from the airport.jpg
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Beefymcfc » Mon Jul 01, 2013 6:49 pm

Did we ever have a song for Hughes?
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Mase » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:03 pm

Beefymcfc wrote:Did we ever have a song for Hughes?


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Re: pellegrini

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Mon Jul 01, 2013 7:13 pm

Mase wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Did we ever have a song for Hughes?


Sheep! Sheep! Sheep shagger!

'Fuck off Hughes' (more of a statement really). We never sang his name (to my recollection) after his first friendly home game when we did sing it and he didn't even acknowledge it.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Saul Goodman » Mon Jul 01, 2013 8:32 pm

Mase wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Did we ever have a song for Hughes?


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Re: pellegrini

Postby johnnyondioline » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:11 pm

Interesting inside city special ep with The Count on the os. Apologies if posted elsewhere.

It looks real rather than contrived, which i dont think you get to see everyday, so funny to see nervous introductions from the support staff, even better to see John Guidetti make a positive impression & come over really well. I may have misheard Kiddo but I did think he made a comment about 'Thats why your in the squad" to Guidetti - he may have been referencing last year.

Shaz the photographer is cool and nice moment when MP recognises her at the airport, I think she does well in putting people at their ease

Also, I wasnt reallyy looking out for it, but I saw no shadows
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Michael Brookes » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:52 pm

blues-clues wrote:Here is the picture that was actually taken, filtered using a silver nitrate developing solution made with holy water and the photographic paper rubbed with garlic...

Mr Pellegrini Heads off away from the airport.jpg


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Re: pellegrini

Postby Michael Brookes » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:54 pm

johnnyondioline wrote:Interesting inside city special ep with The Count on the os. Apologies if posted elsewhere.

It looks real rather than contrived, which i dont think you get to see everyday, so funny to see nervous introductions from the support staff, even better to see John Guidetti make a positive impression & come over really well. I may have misheard Kiddo but I did think he made a comment about 'Thats why your in the squad" to Guidetti - he may have been referencing last year.

Shaz the photographer is cool and nice moment when MP recognises her at the airport, I think she does well in putting people at their ease

Also, I wasnt reallyy looking out for it, but I saw no shadows


Was joking with him sarcastically saying "you think you were In the squad?" - in reference to euro2012 and how his injury ruled him out
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Saul Goodman » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:35 am

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Mase wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Did we ever have a song for Hughes?


Sheep! Sheep! Sheep shagger!

[youtube]9qVQcwnuBfU[/youtube]

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Re: pellegrini

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:36 am

Mase wrote:
Beefymcfc wrote:Did we ever have a song for Hughes?


Sheep! Sheep! Sheep shagger!


Well done. 9.5/10
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jul 02, 2013 10:58 am

johnnyondioline wrote:Interesting inside city special ep with The Count on the os. Apologies if posted elsewhere.

It looks real rather than contrived, which i dont think you get to see everyday, so funny to see nervous introductions from the support staff, even better to see John Guidetti make a positive impression & come over really well. I may have misheard Kiddo but I did think he made a comment about 'Thats why your in the squad" to Guidetti - he may have been referencing last year.

Shaz the photographer is cool and nice moment when MP recognises her at the airport, I think she does well in putting people at their ease

Also, I wasnt reallyy looking out for it, but I saw no shadows


There y go.

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Re: pellegrini

Postby Moonchesteri » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:51 pm

Given that his Malaga side failed to score a single counter-attacking goal in La Liga last season, the only side not to do so, and only once played two up front, it is conceivable that City may use Aguero or Dzeko as a lone striker, with a fluid attacking midfield of Jesus Navas, Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, David Silva and Samir Nasri/James Milner supporting the Argentine.


just read this article http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/15126/8800317/All-change-for-City- which says Malaga only once played two up front last season. so does this bloke know his onions or not?
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Hazy2 » Tue Jul 02, 2013 2:57 pm

dont get scared now, he also uses two at the back when chasing a game.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Jul 02, 2013 3:07 pm

Moonchesteri wrote:
Given that his Malaga side failed to score a single counter-attacking goal in La Liga last season, the only side not to do so, and only once played two up front, it is conceivable that City may use Aguero or Dzeko as a lone striker, with a fluid attacking midfield of Jesus Navas, Yaya Toure, Fernandinho, David Silva and Samir Nasri/James Milner supporting the Argentine.


just read this article http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/15126/8800317/All-change-for-City- which says Malaga only once played two up front last season. so does this bloke know his onions or not?


Well Saviola played 30 odd games & Santa Cruz 40 odd. I think Baptista played upfront sometimes as well.
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Re: pellegrini

Postby Saul Goodman » Thu Jul 04, 2013 5:53 am

johnnyondioline wrote:Interesting inside city special ep with The Count on the os. Apologies if posted elsewhere.

Finally got around to watching this.

He definitely seemed like a deer in headlights and overwhelmed. It's so funny how at 59 you can still feel nervous and awkward on your first day. He is gonna need to transition to being on camera all the time; he seemed a bit weirded out by it but thats to be expected.

Who is the guy in the purple? His right hand man?
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