OPERACION PUERTO AND FOOTBALL?

[Mase]

I think Mase has the right attitude towards roids.
I think if somebody is prepared to subject their body to all the side effects those drugs may have then I think their victories should not be discounted.
Ben Johnsons record should have stood IMO.

What side effects?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I think Mase has the right attitude towards roids.
I think if somebody is prepared to subject their body to all the side effects those drugs may have then I think their victories should not be discounted.
Ben Johnsons record should have stood IMO.

What side effects?

Irrational crushes on Serbian left-backs.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Fascinating article here on doping in football over the past 50 years ( apologies if already posted )

http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/02/09/doping ... -evidence/

[Mase]

Irrational crushes on Serbian left-backs.

I had that well before the gear. Think it's from when I was dropped on my head as a baby.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Fascinating article here on doping in football over the past 50 years ( apologies if already posted )

http://www.4dfoot.com/2013/02/09/doping ... -evidence/

Interesting read, thanks for posting the link.

[Dameerto]

It's an interesting article BUT we need more than just the words of players who openly admit to not knowing what was being injected into their own bodies (pre-Fuentes, obviously). If I was a doctor my most obvious defence would be 'placebo'.

[JamieMCFC]

Ben Johnsons record should have stood IMO.

Not sure if they show it over there but ESPN did a documentary on that race 9.79*. It is called the direst race in history. What makes that race even more of a farce is Lewis should have never even been at the Olympics. He failed three drug tests during qualifying but was let off. According to Lewis that was normal during that time. During the race he should had a automatic disqualifications because he ran out of his lane three times. All of the other runners with the exception of Calvin Smith failed a drug test within a few years of that race. You can't tell me they weren't cheating during that race too.

[Rag_hater]

Ben Johnsons record should have stood IMO.

Not sure if they show it over there but ESPN did a documentary on that race 9.79*. It is called the direst race in history. What makes that race even more of a farce is Lewis should have never even been at the Olympics. He failed three drug tests during qualifying but was let off. According to Lewis that was normal during that time. During the race he should had a automatic disqualifications because he ran out of his lane three times. All of the other runners with the exception of Calvin Smith failed a drug test within a few years of that race. You can't tell me they weren't cheating during that race too.

For me taking steroids is the same as taking painkillers.I don't see it as cheating,for me performance enhancing is just that and, people should be allowed to do to their own bodies whatever they want.There seem to be a fair few that come on here pissed,judging by some of the stuff that is said.

[Ted Hughes]

Ben Johnsons record should have stood IMO.

Not sure if they show it over there but ESPN did a documentary on that race 9.79*. It is called the direst race in history. What makes that race even more of a farce is Lewis should have never even been at the Olympics. He failed three drug tests during qualifying but was let off. According to Lewis that was normal during that time. During the race he should had a automatic disqualifications because he ran out of his lane three times. All of the other runners with the exception of Calvin Smith failed a drug test within a few years of that race. You can't tell me they weren't cheating during that race too.

For me taking steroids is the same as taking painkillers.I don't see it as cheating,for me performance enhancing is just that and, people should be allowed to do to their own bodies whatever they want.There seem to be a fair few that come on here pissed,judging by some of the stuff that is said.

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[Rag_hater]

Ben Johnsons record should have stood IMO.

Not sure if they show it over there but ESPN did a documentary on that race 9.79*. It is called the direst race in history. What makes that race even more of a farce is Lewis should have never even been at the Olympics. He failed three drug tests during qualifying but was let off. According to Lewis that was normal during that time. During the race he should had a automatic disqualifications because he ran out of his lane three times. All of the other runners with the exception of Calvin Smith failed a drug test within a few years of that race. You can't tell me they weren't cheating during that race too.

For me taking steroids is the same as taking painkillers.I don't see it as cheating,for me performance enhancing is just that and, people should be allowed to do to their own bodies whatever they want.There seem to be a fair few that come on here pissed,judging by some of the stuff that is said.

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If I was a gambling man Mr Pissartist I would put money on you.

[Tokyo Blue]

For me taking steroids is the same as taking painkillers.

Every competitor should have the same access to them then.

[Mase]

Every competitor should have the same access to them then.

If I can get them off 'Baz' down the road I'm sure an elite athlete can get them mate.

[Tokyo Blue]

Every competitor should have the same access to them then.

If I can get them off 'Baz' down the road I'm sure an elite athlete can get them mate.

It is easy for some bloke in Spain to get these things (allegedly). Far less easy for an Ethiopian.

Or does fair competition have no place in sport any more?

[Mase]

It is easy for some bloke in Spain to get these things (allegedly). Far less easy for an Ethiopian.

Or does fair competition have no place in sport any more?

I don't see why a long distance runner would need roids though?

I personally think its 110% obvious that Usain Bolt and the other Jamaican kid are on gear. Not because of their speed but their build. They're probably getting the same treatment as Carl Lewis though.

Edit: I do understand what you mean with some countries not being able to get it. But I do think its easier than you think. Even for an Ethiopian.

[Tokyo Blue]

It is easy for some bloke in Spain to get these things (allegedly). Far less easy for an Ethiopian.

Or does fair competition have no place in sport any more?

I don't see why a long distance runner would need roids though?

I personally think its 110% obvious that Usain Bolt and the other Jamaican kid are on gear. Not because of their speed but their build. They're probably getting the same treatment as Carl Lewis though.

Edit: I do understand what you mean with some countries not being able to get it. But I do think its easier than you think. Even for an Ethiopian.

I suspect you know much more of such things than I do, mate.

It is not just steroids that we are talking about though, is it? And not just athletics, cycling and football either.

I once heard someone say that they should have two sets of sport. One with an anything goes attitude and one for people who care about fairness and integrity. Hmmm.

[Dameerto]

It is easy for some bloke in Spain to get these things (allegedly). Far less easy for an Ethiopian.

Or does fair competition have no place in sport any more?

I don't see why a long distance runner would need roids though?

I personally think its 110% obvious that Usain Bolt and the other Jamaican kid are on gear. Not because of their speed but their build. They're probably getting the same treatment as Carl Lewis though.

Edit: I do understand what you mean with some countries not being able to get it. But I do think its easier than you think. Even for an Ethiopian.

I think Bolt is clean, or at least not on steroids. Bolt doesn't have the muscle mass associated with steroid abuse nor did Lewis. Having said that, I'm not familiar with steroid alternatives if there are any, but it would take something similar for a sprinter to gain an advantage since they need a power increase which means more muscle. EPO or some other type of blood cell increaser might have some benefit to a sprinter from a training point of view though - they could recover from training/injury quicker and so presumably get a performance advantage that way.

[Mase]

I think Bolt is clean, or at least not on steroids. Bolt doesn't have the muscle mass associated with steroid abuse nor did Lewis. Having said that, I'm not familiar with steroid alternatives if there are any, but it would take something similar for a sprinter to gain an advantage since they need a power increase which means more muscle. EPO or some other type of blood cell increaser might have some benefit to a sprinter from a training point of view though - they could recover from training/injury quicker and so presumably get a performance advantage that way.

That's exactly what steroids do - allow your muscles to recover quicker. So if someone had a muscle injury, such as a tear, it wouldn't take as long for them to recover. Chambers took an anabolic steroid and it didn't do his speed any harm.

Carl Lewis failed three drugs tests before that race with Johnson.

Bolt is a beast! You don't have to be an abuser of steroids and be ridiculously massive like pro-bodybuilders to be on the stuff. But looking at Bolt I genuinely think he could be.

[Nigels Tackle]

can someone explain why having a cortisone injection to mask pain is ok but taking steroids isn't?

[Slim]

I think we should lift the ban on all performance enhancing drugs, I am dying to see the 100m done in 4 seconds.

[Mase]

can someone explain why having a cortisone injection to mask pain is ok but taking steroids isn't?

I'd love to know how Messi being given HGH isn't classed as 'bad' but if it came out Ronaldo was smashing the bulking roids, which to be fair he could well have done going to his size over night, he'd get hung out to dry.