Khaldoon, Soriano, Tricky.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Yes. I thought taking mid-table team, adding tens of millions worth a new players and taking them close to relegation zone was quite unacceptable. Obviously we are talking about different thing. And obviously I don't think Pellegrini is complete moron who gets good licking just because he used to play for "Manchester".

I honestly don't know why you're turning this into a hughes thing. You're obsessed with the chap.

What you said was it used to be a good excuse. When you never thought that.

Also, spending millions and going backwards is why bobbie got the bullet.

YOU were the one who brought that sheep shagger into conversation.

And why should the expectations be any less for Pellegrini than Mancini?

[Ted Hughes]

If he isn't up to getting results instantly then I don't see what was point in changing manager inthe first place.

submitting this for a stupidest comment of all time, hall of fame place.

Again. Eh?
Did we bring in some loser? We finished second place and lost FA Cup final so obviously improvement is expected.

I bet you are going to be one of the worst apologists if things go wrong.

You do know why Pellegrini was brought in, as we have already discussed it.

Of course I know why he was brought in but with arguably one of the top 7 teams in the world qualitywise I do expect results early and clear showing that he will be able to win competitions in the future.

I expect us to compete in the Prem & cups, like a top 2 side & show some improvement in the Champions League.

I don't know how Chelsea will pick up under Mourinho & how the rags will do after Cuntface, but I expect Spurs & Arsenal to be a bit stronger.

If any side goes through the season winning as many games as the rags did, I'm not sure the Count will be able to achieve that level in his first season, but if, as I expect, the top sides take more points off each other, I'll be disappointed if we are not thereabouts at the end of the season. We still have the best squad imo.

[Ted Hughes]

All of his teams have played great football better than Mancini for me, always had the nymber 10 Riquelme at Villareal was a top player in a system that was great to watch.

Dub the way the season panned out was I guess just how RM said it would in so much as we came up short. He had his targets. RVP was done according to Mike Summerbee, Hazard, was at the Derby and with VK in the Lowry after the game, suggests it went wrong somhow so was the agenda set way before the end of the season I am looking forwards just saying there are some unanswered reasons why we failed to get targets and with Isco now poached from under our noses.

The unanswered questions keep getting answered.

1. Khaldoon said last season that they were not going to be treated as 'stupid Arabs' who will just be ripped off by agents etc. I metioned this time and again during this period last season; it's not down to Marwood then, or Soriano/Txiki now, they have been told.

Mancini muddied the water last season with his horrible backstabbing of Marwood, but surely people are getting the message now ?

2. When we go for these players, we are up against teams like Utd, Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid & to a lesser extent Chelsea. Why do we have a divine right to get these players rather than them ?

RVP has told everyone how he hung on for the rag transfer, Isco has told everyone how he was straight off to Real Madrid once they confirmed an interest.

Howmany more answers are needed ?

[Hazy2]

All of his teams have played great football better than Mancini for me, always had the nymber 10 Riquelme at Villareal was a top player in a system that was great to watch.

Dub the way the season panned out was I guess just how RM said it would in so much as we came up short. He had his targets. RVP was done according to Mike Summerbee, Hazard, was at the Derby and with VK in the Lowry after the game, suggests it went wrong somhow so was the agenda set way before the end of the season I am looking forwards just saying there are some unanswered reasons why we failed to get targets and with Isco now poached from under our noses.

The unanswered questions keep getting answered.

1. Khaldoon said last season that they were not going to be treated as 'stupid Arabs' who will just be ripped off by agents etc. I metioned this time and again during this period last season; it's not down to Marwood then, or Soriano/Txiki now, they have been told.

Mancini muddied the water last season with his horrible backstabbing of Marwood, but surely people are getting the message now ?

2. When we go for these players, we are up against teams like Utd, Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid & to a lesser extent Chelsea. Why do we have a divine right to get these players rather than them ?

RVP has told everyone how he hung on for the rag transfer, Isco has told everyone how he was straight off to Real Madrid once they confirmed an interest.

Howmany more answers are needed ?

In your world none JM Is still a bad player,I'm out.

[DoomMerchant]

The unanswered questions keep getting answered.

1. Khaldoon said last season that they were not going to be treated as 'stupid Arabs' who will just be ripped off by agents etc. I metioned this time and again during this period last season; it's not down to Marwood then, or Soriano/Txiki now, they have been told.

Mancini muddied the water last season with his horrible backstabbing of Marwood, but surely people are getting the message now ?

2. When we go for these players, we are up against teams like Utd, Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid & to a lesser extent Chelsea. Why do we have a divine right to get these players rather than them ?

RVP has told everyone how he hung on for the rag transfer, Isco has told everyone how he was straight off to Real Madrid once they confirmed an interest.

Howmany more answers are needed ?

Why are we willing to pay the most agent fees in world football but skimp on 16m to hazards agent and iscos pops collectively when you and i know those 2 players together could have been amazing together for 5-10 years?

Only beef is that there are only so many of those players around. Getting moralistic about it and then splurging on rodwell Garcia and Sinclair is retarded imho.

Cheers

[Risby]

Why are we willing to pay the most agent fees in world football but skimp on 16m to hazards agent and iscos pops collectively when you and i know those 2 players together could have been amazing together for 5-10 years?

Only beef is that there are only so many of those players around. Getting moralistic about it and then splurging on rodwell Garcia and Sinclair is retarded imho.

Cheers

I think Rodders will turn out a very good player IF he can stay fit. The lad has shown some real talent on the few occasions he has played, so I wouldn't be too bothered about him.

The Garcia and Sinclair transfers were panic buys like we have all said. On paper they looked good, but realistically, at the level we are striving for, they are just not in the same league.

I agree with the issue about agent fees - 'it's city so we will triple our fees' is wrong and it had to be dealt with. The only worrying thing is that if we are going in for young players who will be with us for time to come and get better with age, maybe the fees will pay for themselves if these said players become world beaters.

[carl_feedthegoat]

All of his teams have played great football better than Mancini for me, always had the nymber 10 Riquelme at Villareal was a top player in a system that was great to watch.

Dub the way the season panned out was I guess just how RM said it would in so much as we came up short. He had his targets. RVP was done according to Mike Summerbee, Hazard, was at the Derby and with VK in the Lowry after the game, suggests it went wrong somhow so was the agenda set way before the end of the season I am looking forwards just saying there are some unanswered reasons why we failed to get targets and with Isco now poached from under our noses.

The unanswered questions keep getting answered.

1. Khaldoon said last season that they were not going to be treated as 'stupid Arabs' who will just be ripped off by agents etc. I metioned this time and again during this period last season; it's not down to Marwood then, or Soriano/Txiki now, they have been told.

Mancini muddied the water last season with his horrible backstabbing of Marwood, but surely people are getting the message now ?

2. When we go for these players, we are up against teams like Utd, Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid & to a lesser extent Chelsea. Why do we have a divine right to get these players rather than them ?

RVP has told everyone how he hung on for the rag transfer, Isco has told everyone how he was straight off to Real Madrid once they confirmed an interest.

Howmany more answers are needed ?

You are farting against the wind mate , theres lickers all over the place right now and no matter how many times you tell them some home truths they just want to go lalalallalalallalalallalal and slag off the way we are running the club right now,regradless of facts and figures.

Pathetic doesnt even start tod escribe these fuckers.

[mcfc1632]

Just a random question to check my understanding of how 'independent' people view the summer so far:

A while ago I had a significant bet on CITY to win the league next year @ average 3.55. I just checked to see how much the odds had changed against me given every other team are having a wonderful transfer window and we have been shit - according to lots of posters it seems.

I was genuinely surprised to find that our odds have shortened - perhaps those that are professional do not quite share the doom and gloom of some fans

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

We need to give the squad and staff time to gel.

Never mind their hair, let's just hope Pellegrini gets the tactics right.

[Saul Goodman]

We need to give the squad and staff time to gel.

Never mind their hair, let's just hope Pellegrini gets the tactics right.

hahaha

[Hazy2]

All of his teams have played great football better than Mancini for me, always had the nymber 10 Riquelme at Villareal was a top player in a system that was great to watch.

Dub the way the season panned out was I guess just how RM said it would in so much as we came up short. He had his targets. RVP was done according to Mike Summerbee, Hazard, was at the Derby and with VK in the Lowry after the game, suggests it went wrong somhow so was the agenda set way before the end of the season I am looking forwards just saying there are some unanswered reasons why we failed to get targets and with Isco now poached from under our noses.

The unanswered questions keep getting answered.

1. Khaldoon said last season that they were not going to be treated as 'stupid Arabs' who will just be ripped off by agents etc. I metioned this time and again during this period last season; it's not down to Marwood then, or Soriano/Txiki now, they have been told.

Mancini muddied the water last season with his horrible backstabbing of Marwood, but surely people are getting the message now ?

2. When we go for these players, we are up against teams like Utd, Barca, Bayern, Real Madrid & to a lesser extent Chelsea. Why do we have a divine right to get these players rather than them ?

RVP has told everyone how he hung on for the rag transfer, Isco has told everyone how he was straight off to Real Madrid once they confirmed an interest.

Howmany more answers are needed ?

You are farting against the wind mate , theres lickers all over the place right now and no matter how many times you tell them some home truths they just want to go lalalallalalallalalallalal and slag off the way we are running the club right now,regradless of facts and figures.

Pathetic doesnt even start tod escribe these fuckers.

or yourself.

[Beefymcfc]

Some good signings so far, so much to say that I think we'll be favourite to win the league. A decent CL draw and Tinkerbell will get all the praises he deserves.

[Wooders]

Think chelsea will be faves myself

[Beefymcfc]

Think chelsea will be faves myself

There'll be 3 clubs around the same price and although I feel Chelsea have the strongest forward thinking players, they need to address a couple of issues, ie. Striker and CBs.

In my mind, we'll have the more balanced side, with the inclusion of Navas, and it will all come down to additions yet to be made. I'm not worried at the moment, we'll be well up to the fight just as we are.

[brite blu sky]

Think chelsea will be faves myself

There'll be 3 clubs around the same price and although I feel Chelsea have the strongest forward thinking players, they need to address a couple of issues, ie. Striker and CBs.

In my mind, we'll have the more balanced side, with the inclusion of Navas, and it will all come down to additions yet to be made. I'm not worried at the moment, we'll be well up to the fight just as we are.

Chelsea's side will take a bit of settling down I would think, with all the new players they have brought in finding the best mix. They also still have a bit of a culture problem to sort with the renewal of the old guard. Moureen will sort it pretty quick I suppose but will have some shit to deal with no doubt.

City as it stands should be able to hit the ground running and have less working out to do. That said it is a new manager, new to the prem, so Chelsea have a slight advantage there.

I fully believe that we have the better squad and possession mentality amongst the players. I also think that with Pellegrini we have the chance now to develop the better system, but we will have to see if he takes that opportunity.

Bottom line is that this is going to be a real humdinger of a season, one that I think may come down to the team best able to take points off all the top rivals.

[brite blu sky]

Bit of a tangent this but seems a good enough thread to put it in.

One aspect of the move to holistic if you like is the promise and push to be producing our own players who can play the way we want. If Barca are anything to go by then those players have to be very good but they don't have to be all Messi.

So with that in mind and looking at the current debate on here about buying every mega star around in order to try and make us feel better about competing in the short term; my question is this:

As a City fan, having our history in mind, would you be prepared to just see us build for the longer term for the next few years, or have we all now switched to give it me all and give me now?

[Im_Spartacus]

Bit of a tangent this but seems a good enough thread to put it in.

One aspect of the move to holistic if you like is the promise and push to be producing our own players who can play the way we want. If Barca are anything to go by then those players have to be very good but they don't have to be all Messi.

So with that in mind and looking at the current debate on here about buying every mega star around in order to try and make us feel better about competing in the short term; my question is this:

As a City fan, having our history in mind, would you be prepared to just see us build for the longer term for the next few years, or have we all now switched to give it me all and give me now?

As a fan and if that was the stated tactic, I personally would be happy if you could see tangible evidence of moving in that direction.

That said, the owners want to win the league and champions league so there is plenty of money earmarked for both aspirations

[Hazy2]

Bit of a tangent this but seems a good enough thread to put it in.

One aspect of the move to holistic if you like is the promise and push to be producing our own players who can play the way we want. If Barca are anything to go by then those players have to be very good but they don't have to be all Messi.

So with that in mind and looking at the current debate on here about buying every mega star around in order to try and make us feel better about competing in the short term; my question is this:

As a City fan, having our history in mind, would you be prepared to just see us build for the longer term for the next few years, or have we all now switched to give it me all and give me now?

In Kun. VK, Yaya, Silva we have superstars,it's maybe a view from the club we now need a balanced squad, which we did not have last season. I would like from a total selfish point of view a Top centre forward RL plus Negredo and midfielder who gets 15 goals, we had the best defence last season. I am sure Pelli will have us sorted in a few months,the problem is the pressure from the scum press. Football is now or sacked, the long term is scary for a manager, Dortmund are doing there thing, the Barca model is just going to be so hard to replicate.CEO'S go as quickly as managers at most clubs, which has the knock on effect for plans laid and then scrapped, BM have a structure which appears to have been made to last.

[brite blu sky]

Bit of a tangent this but seems a good enough thread to put it in.

One aspect of the move to holistic if you like is the promise and push to be producing our own players who can play the way we want. If Barca are anything to go by then those players have to be very good but they don't have to be all Messi.

So with that in mind and looking at the current debate on here about buying every mega star around in order to try and make us feel better about competing in the short term; my question is this:

As a City fan, having our history in mind, would you be prepared to just see us build for the longer term for the next few years, or have we all now switched to give it me all and give me now?

As a fan and if that was the stated tactic, I personally would be happy if you could see tangible evidence of moving in that direction.

That said, the owners want to win the league and champions league so there is plenty of money earmarked for both aspirations

Likewise on that, both aspirations can be accommodated, and in reality have to be.. City cannot let the team go to seed while waiting for something to build.
So the word has got to be balance then. How do City balance keeping the current squad fighting for the title and allowing some opportunities for the academy lads to get in there?

What would be good enough evidence of moving in the right direction?

[brite blu sky]

Bit of a tangent this but seems a good enough thread to put it in.

One aspect of the move to holistic if you like is the promise and push to be producing our own players who can play the way we want. If Barca are anything to go by then those players have to be very good but they don't have to be all Messi.

So with that in mind and looking at the current debate on here about buying every mega star around in order to try and make us feel better about competing in the short term; my question is this:

As a City fan, having our history in mind, would you be prepared to just see us build for the longer term for the next few years, or have we all now switched to give it me all and give me now?

In Kun. VK, Yaya, Silva we have superstars,it's maybe a view from the club we now need a balanced squad, which we did not have last season. I would like from a total selfish point of view a Top centre forward RL plus Negredo and midfielder who gets 15 goals, we had the best defence last season. I am sure Pelli will have us sorted in a few months,the problem is the pressure from the scum press. Football is now or sacked, the long term is scary for a manager, Dortmund are doing there thing, the Barca model is just going to be so hard to replicate.CEO'S go as quickly as managers at most clubs, which has the knock on effect for plans laid and then scrapped, BM have a structure which appears to have been made to last.

This is true, yet the club/owners have surely made their intentions visible in no uncertain terms... the huge academy investment and the setting up of 'NYC City'. If part of Pellegrini remit is to embed a style that the academy can follow, he is going to have to show it as successful for starters otherwise it is pointless. He can only have about 5 or 6 years in him anyway no? So the longer term is not yet in place. How long do we give the academy system to start producing 'slot in' players ? 3 years, 4... 5 ?
What do we rekon?