"Football's suicide secret"

[Rag_hater]

Fuck me this place place is full of fishermen making me bite.

All Doctors around the world accept that Depression is a serious illness.

There are billions and billions of pounds spent on drugs to combat the problem.

However, rag_hater says it's a load of bollocks and is for the weak minded.





I wish you would all grow up with this bitten bollox,somebody has an opinion that is different from the others on here and it's fishing.Get fuckin real.
And there are shit loads of problems in the world everyday,depression is way down the list.
Real fuckin problems
Depression is for rich people.Sure people in Sierra Leone get Depressed but compared to having hungry kids or no foood and water I think feeling sad is somewhat of a small problem

If it's such a small problem, why do people feel the need to take their own life? if they are 'rich' like you say and have nothing to worry about, why would Gary Speed kill himself, for example?

Any idea of what G Speed was getting paid when he topped himself,bet he wasn't on the bread line.

[Dameerto]

Fuck me this place place is full of fishermen making me bite.

All Doctors around the world accept that Depression is a serious illness.

There are billions and billions of pounds spent on drugs to combat the problem.

However, rag_hater says it's a load of bollocks and is for the weak minded.





I wish you would all grow up with this bitten bollox,somebody has an opinion that is different from the others on here and it's fishing.Get fuckin real.
And there are shit loads of problems in the world everyday,depression is way down the list.
Real fuckin problems
Depression is for rich people.Sure people in Sierra Leone get Depressed but compared to having hungry kids or no foood and water I think feeling sad is somewhat of a small problem

If it's such a small problem, why do people feel the need to take their own life? if they are 'rich' like you say and have nothing to worry about, why would Gary Speed kill himself, for example?

Any idea of what G Speed was getting paid when he topped himself,bet he wasn't on the bread line.

More than a soldier - not that it makes a blind bit of difference to the rest of humanity.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Good point.

I suppose the focus on football is simply because it bucks the lazy image of overpaid pampered millionaires and brings back into focus that at the heart of everything, just like I said strongly about how players react to a tyrannical manager having nothing to do with money and everything to do with human nature, depression is the same phenomenon.

It should be a wake up call to some of the stupid things we hear football fans come out with directing abuse particularly at their own players that they are after all people with the same range of emotions as us.

Those who say that life is easier when you are earning a squillion pounds a week havent got a clue. Having moved abroad recently my wife and I have quadrupled our income and after a few years we will have enough put by for a very very comfortable life neither of us would have dreamed of a few years ago. We have the sun, the sea, the healthy lifestyle and an active social life, but to ignore the impact of not having your family around is huge - my wife copes, but every now and again has a mini-breakdown for a day or so as to how she doesnt think she fan stick it as she misses friends, family etc.

Our jobs dont pay as much as footballers, but outwardly you wouldnt know. You could all say that our life outwardly is one anyone would love to have, but as many on here will testify the main reason for people leaving the expat life is some form of depression whether it be isolation, struggling to fit in, not liking the food, a whole host of things that we take for granted from footballers, and thats without even considering the high professional standards many set themselves which puts them there in the first place

Bosnians are still spastics though, so im told.

Of course those people that earn a lot of money are also immune from many other diseases. Hartson, Petrov, Muamba, Foe, Moore, all fucking pussies, although Moore won't have earned as much so was more susceptible.

What is the economic threshold for bypassing depression or any other trendy disease? Damn, I hope I earn enough.

It all depends on tax rate and such but a couple of years ago I saw a study that argued that wage-increases makes you happier until you earn around the equivalent of 4500 euros per month. After that, the amount of happiness you get out of further salary-raises doesn't increase that much. Make of that... what you will.

[Rag_hater]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -will.html


Make your own mind up if you think that's a good sum or not

[Dameerto]

Good point.

I suppose the focus on football is simply because it bucks the lazy image of overpaid pampered millionaires and brings back into focus that at the heart of everything, just like I said strongly about how players react to a tyrannical manager having nothing to do with money and everything to do with human nature, depression is the same phenomenon.

It should be a wake up call to some of the stupid things we hear football fans come out with directing abuse particularly at their own players that they are after all people with the same range of emotions as us.

Those who say that life is easier when you are earning a squillion pounds a week havent got a clue. Having moved abroad recently my wife and I have quadrupled our income and after a few years we will have enough put by for a very very comfortable life neither of us would have dreamed of a few years ago. We have the sun, the sea, the healthy lifestyle and an active social life, but to ignore the impact of not having your family around is huge - my wife copes, but every now and again has a mini-breakdown for a day or so as to how she doesnt think she fan stick it as she misses friends, family etc.

Our jobs dont pay as much as footballers, but outwardly you wouldnt know. You could all say that our life outwardly is one anyone would love to have, but as many on here will testify the main reason for people leaving the expat life is some form of depression whether it be isolation, struggling to fit in, not liking the food, a whole host of things that we take for granted from footballers, and thats without even considering the high professional standards many set themselves which puts them there in the first place

Bosnians are still spastics though, so im told.

Of course those people that earn a lot of money are also immune from many other diseases. Hartson, Petrov, Muamba, Foe, Moore, all fucking pussies, although Moore won't have earned as much so was more susceptible.

What is the economic threshold for bypassing depression or any other trendy disease? Damn, I hope I earn enough.

It all depends on tax rate and such but a couple of years ago I saw a study that argued that wage-increases makes you happier until you earn around the equivalent of 4500 euros per month. After that, the amount of happiness you get out of further salary-raises doesn't increase that much. Make of that... what you will.

I would argue job satisfaction and amount of freetime were bigger factors in determining happiness. Just because someone is good at doing something it doesn't follow he will be happy doing it even if he is being well rewarded for it.

[Cocacolajojo1]

Good point.

I suppose the focus on football is simply because it bucks the lazy image of overpaid pampered millionaires and brings back into focus that at the heart of everything, just like I said strongly about how players react to a tyrannical manager having nothing to do with money and everything to do with human nature, depression is the same phenomenon.

It should be a wake up call to some of the stupid things we hear football fans come out with directing abuse particularly at their own players that they are after all people with the same range of emotions as us.

Those who say that life is easier when you are earning a squillion pounds a week havent got a clue. Having moved abroad recently my wife and I have quadrupled our income and after a few years we will have enough put by for a very very comfortable life neither of us would have dreamed of a few years ago. We have the sun, the sea, the healthy lifestyle and an active social life, but to ignore the impact of not having your family around is huge - my wife copes, but every now and again has a mini-breakdown for a day or so as to how she doesnt think she fan stick it as she misses friends, family etc.

Our jobs dont pay as much as footballers, but outwardly you wouldnt know. You could all say that our life outwardly is one anyone would love to have, but as many on here will testify the main reason for people leaving the expat life is some form of depression whether it be isolation, struggling to fit in, not liking the food, a whole host of things that we take for granted from footballers, and thats without even considering the high professional standards many set themselves which puts them there in the first place

Bosnians are still spastics though, so im told.

Of course those people that earn a lot of money are also immune from many other diseases. Hartson, Petrov, Muamba, Foe, Moore, all fucking pussies, although Moore won't have earned as much so was more susceptible.

What is the economic threshold for bypassing depression or any other trendy disease? Damn, I hope I earn enough.

It all depends on tax rate and such but a couple of years ago I saw a study that argued that wage-increases makes you happier until you earn around the equivalent of 4500 euros per month. After that, the amount of happiness you get out of further salary-raises doesn't increase that much. Make of that... what you will.

I would argue job satisfaction and amount of freetime were bigger factors in determining happiness.

Yeah probably, but money does guarantee some degree of happiness up to a point was this study's argument. Statistically.

It's better to be depressed with 4500 euros a month than being depressed while earning 2500 euros a month is the sentiment, I guess.

With that I'm not trying to say that you can't be unhappy if you have a lot of money. I'm just saying that this study argued that it money, up to a point, makes you happier.

[Twobob]

I wish you would all grow up with this bitten bollox,somebody has an opinion that is different from the others on here and it's fishing.Get fuckin real.
And there are shit loads of problems in the world everyday,depression is way down the list.
Real fuckin problems
Depression is for rich people.Sure people in Sierra Leone get Depressed but compared to having hungry kids or no foood and water I think feeling sad is somewhat of a small problem

Are you working in being naive or is it natural? Were i am from they had one of the highest suicide rates in the NW due to mills closing and the depression that brings. I take it you live in SL and know they have zero suicide? Do you bollox, you are a child with very little knowledge, you live in a bubble and owt outside that pales into black. You post nothing of consequence nor input, only of contradiction and then complain of being accused of fishing. You are entitled to your opinion but are immature at winding up, only the feckless fall for it and most string you along. Its funny in a sad, care in the community kind of way - still it makes me giggle

[BlueinBosnia]

Are you working in being naive or is it natural? Were i am from they had one of the highest suicide rates in the NW due to mills closing and the depression that brings. I take it you live in SL and know they have zero suicide? Do you bollox, you are a child with very little knowledge, you live in a bubble and owt outside that pales into black.

According to the World Health Organisation, Sierra Leone has one of the lowest rates of depression in the world (2004), being ranked 145th out of 192 countries. Even then, it has the fifth highest incidence rate for a sub-Saharan African country. America has the highest incidence rate (almost exactly double that of Sierra Leone), Greece, Spain, Japan and Ivory Coast have the lowest. Britain is ranked 71st, 11 places higher than Iraq. These quantifications are adjusted to assume the rates were all countries to have the same life expectancy and the same access to diagnostic medical care.

You can't use suicide rates as an adequate comparison, due to cultural and societal influences (Catholic countries having far lower suicide rates, for example) and other medical/non-medical reasons for suicide.

[Fidel Castro]

ental Health, Alcohol and Substance Abuse
Depression in Sub-Saharan Africa is estimated to have an incidence rate of 15 to 18 percent and a lifetime prevalence rate of 18 to 30 percent. Common mental disorders (depression and anxiety) have a point prevalence rate that ranges from 1 to 5 percent. The point prevalence rate for schizophrenia is the same as in other parts of the world, ranging from 2 to 5 per 1,000 population, with a lifetime prevalence of 7 to 9 per 1,000. The Sub-Saharan Africa region, the most conflict-affected region of the world, has seen rates of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), anxiety, and depression range from 20 to 60 percent, and alcohol abuse has seen a sharp increase. In South Africa, suicide is found to be much more frequent among those who are HIV positive

[BlueinBosnia]

ental Health, Alcohol and Substance Abuse
Depression in Sub-Saharan Africa is estimated to have an incidence rate of 15 to 18 percent and a lifetime prevalence rate of 18 to 30 percent. Common mental disorders (depression and anxiety) have a point prevalence rate that ranges from 1 to 5 percent. The point prevalence rate for schizophrenia is the same as in other parts of the world, ranging from 2 to 5 per 1,000 population, with a lifetime prevalence of 7 to 9 per 1,000. The Sub-Saharan Africa region, the most conflict-affected region of the world, has seen rates of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD), anxiety, and depression range from 20 to 60 percent, and alcohol abuse has seen a sharp increase. In South Africa, suicide is found to be much more frequent among those who are HIV positive

The stats Jamison uses are not age-adjusted (typical for a publication funded by the World Bank, which will primarily focus on the economic impacts of health and mortality, and therefore need 'on the field' figures). Problems with this methodology (in the s-S African context) are:
Lower life expectancy: people live less long, so therefore more people at any time fall into the 18-35 category, identified as the key demographic for depression-related illness. Over-statement of incidence.
Poor access to healthcare: the primary focuses of healthcare are maternity & childbirth, nutrition, HIV/Aids. Depression will be considered a 'luxury' disease (not in R_H's sense of the word, more as in one not considered significant enough to diagnose and treat). Under-statement of incidence.

When it comes to health issues, I'd rather trust figures from a health organization than a financial institution.

[Twobob]

The stats Jamison uses are not age-adjusted (typical for a publication funded by the World Bank, which will primarily focus on the economic impacts of health and mortality, and therefore need 'on the field' figures). Problems with this methodology (in the s-S African context) are:
Lower life expectancy: people live less long, so therefore more people at any time fall into the 18-35 category, identified as the key demographic for depression-related illness. Over-statement of incidence.
Poor access to healthcare: the primary focuses of healthcare are maternity & childbirth, nutrition, HIV/Aids. Depression will be considered a 'luxury' disease (not in R_H's sense of the word, more as in one not considered significant enough to diagnose and treat). Under-statement of incidence.

When it comes to health issues, I'd rather trust figures from a health organization than a financial institution.

Some great stats there BiB thanks, perhaps it would be a fair summary to say that if you were fighting death daily you were less likely to take your own life than that of a person who perceived the struggle in the near future?

I expect there are other contributions too, social stresses found in some countries aren't as prominent in others - the stresses of life have differences between the UK and Greece as an example and social stigmas may have an affect, together with differences in social structures and a families support structure, i'd expect stats around how Greek extended families interact to be different from UK families. (Just using Greek cultures as an example)

[BlueinBosnia]

Some great stats there BiB thanks, perhaps it would be a fair summary to say that if you were fighting death daily you were less likely to take your own life than that of a person who perceived the struggle in the near future?

Yes, that's true. Also, a big cultural influence on depression seems to be 'wasted' free time. This is the reason many depressives are told to take up a new hobby, such as art, walking or gardening. When you're walking 3 or 4 miles to get clean water, you simply don't have so much time to sit around being idle. Back to the football context (and also relevant for those who have left the army or come out of a long prison sentence), this seems to be a big contributing factor: people used to a rigorous routine suddenly are left with little or nothing to do, which can have severe consequences. I think Paul Lake's autobiography sets this out quite clearly from a personal perspective, as do Dean Windass's occasional 'cry for help' tabloid exclusives.

[Im_Spartacus]

Fuck me this place place is full of fishermen making me bite.

Any idea of what G Speed was getting paid when he topped himself,bet he wasn't on the bread line.

I'm still not sure why you feel that the amount of money he earned makes a difference.

A friend of mine who didnt have a pot to piss in killed himself due to depression, my dad who is middle class retired fireman was found sat on a motorway bridge railing 2 years back, reduced to a quivering wreck for months due to mental illness stemming from depression having retired from a very active job and lost my mum within the space of a few weeks.

If you still dont believe depression is real, I've told this story before on here, and I will again for your benefit. My mum had an abcess which resulted in her losing her teeth. She worked as a travel agent at the time, but became paranoid she wasnt talking right to customers with falsies in, lost her confidence, stopped going to work and slowly withdrew into herself, stopped eating regularly and started drinking a 'few' vodkas a night until she had pickled her liver within the space of a year and died of alcoholic liver disease - root cause of the sequence of events, depression cause by loss of self esteem.

So lets get one thing straight you fucking cunt, you haven't got a fucking clue what you are on about when it comes to depression, money has fuck all to do with it, and if the truth be told, I find your ignorant posts extremely offensive.

[Dameerto]

Yes, that's true. Also, a big cultural influence on depression seems to be 'wasted' free time. This is the reason many depressives are told to take up a new hobby, such as art, walking or gardening. When you're walking 3 or 4 miles to get clean water, you simply don't have so much time to sit around being idle. Back to the football context (and also relevant for those who have left the army or come out of a long prison sentence), this seems to be a big contributing factor: people used to a rigorous routine suddenly are left with little or nothing to do, which can have severe consequences. I think Paul Lake's autobiography sets this out quite clearly from a personal perspective, as do Dean Windass's occasional 'cry for help' tabloid exclusives.

I mentioned it a while back (the last time the subject came up, I think it was in relation to Gazza) - institutionalisation. If you get into a routine that you follow as second nature over a prolonged period of time and it is suddenly taken from you for whatever reason you effectively 'go into mourning' for it. It can happen to pretty much anyone (IE newly retired people, former footballers, etc).

[Rag_hater]

Fuck me this place place is full of fishermen making me bite.

Any idea of what G Speed was getting paid when he topped himself,bet he wasn't on the bread line.

I'm still not sure why you feel that the amount of money he earned makes a difference.

A friend of mine who didnt have a pot to piss in killed himself due to depression, my dad who is middle class retired fireman was found sat on a motorway bridge railing 2 years back, reduced to a quivering wreck for months due to mental illness stemming from depression having retired from a very active job and lost my mum within the space of a few weeks.

If you still dont believe depression is real, I've told this story before on here, and I will again for your benefit. My mum had an abcess which resulted in her losing her teeth. She worked as a travel agent at the time, but became paranoid she wasnt talking right to customers with falsies in, lost her confidence, stopped going to work and slowly withdrew into herself, stopped eating regularly and started drinking a 'few' vodkas a night until she had pickled her liver within the space of a year and died of alcoholic liver disease - root cause of the sequence of events, depression cause by loss of self esteem.

So lets get one thing straight you fucking cunt, you haven't got a fucking clue what you are on about when it comes to depression, money has fuck all to do with it, and if the truth be told, I find your ignorant posts extremely offensive.

You really are a nob arn't you.Think you are the only fucker or your loved ones are the ones who bad things have happened to.Seeing as you give your mum as example what you think of this true story.My mum came to UK when she was 33 could not speak a word of English,her husband died after her being there for 8 years leaving her with no money and 4 kids to bring up.Think she wasn't fuckin depressed.On top of everything when she was 51 she had a stroke and then another 1 and to top it all she had a disease called Ataxia which left her paralysed from the neck down.Think she was sad but she got on with things.
Suicide is the easy way out.
People who get on with whatever problems life throws at them doing whats normal should just get on with it.
If you make yourself responsible for something or someone then you should do your best to fulfillyour duty.
Committing suicide is running away.

[Slim]

Fuck me this place place is full of fishermen making me bite.

Any idea of what G Speed was getting paid when he topped himself,bet he wasn't on the bread line.

I'm still not sure why you feel that the amount of money he earned makes a difference.

A friend of mine who didnt have a pot to piss in killed himself due to depression, my dad who is middle class retired fireman was found sat on a motorway bridge railing 2 years back, reduced to a quivering wreck for months due to mental illness stemming from depression having retired from a very active job and lost my mum within the space of a few weeks.

If you still dont believe depression is real, I've told this story before on here, and I will again for your benefit. My mum had an abcess which resulted in her losing her teeth. She worked as a travel agent at the time, but became paranoid she wasnt talking right to customers with falsies in, lost her confidence, stopped going to work and slowly withdrew into herself, stopped eating regularly and started drinking a 'few' vodkas a night until she had pickled her liver within the space of a year and died of alcoholic liver disease - root cause of the sequence of events, depression cause by loss of self esteem.

So lets get one thing straight you fucking cunt, you haven't got a fucking clue what you are on about when it comes to depression, money has fuck all to do with it, and if the truth be told, I find your ignorant posts extremely offensive.

You really are a nob arn't you.Think you are the only fucker or your loved ones are the ones who bad things have happened to.Seeing as you give your mum as example what you think of this true story.My mum came to UK when she was 33 could not speak a word of English,her husband died after her being there for 8 years leaving her with no money and 4 kids to bring up.Think she wasn't fuckin depressed.On top of everything when she was 51 she had a stroke and then another 1 and to top it all she had a disease called Ataxia which left her paralysed from the neck down.Think she was sad but she got on with things.
Suicide is the easy way out.
People who get on with whatever problems life throws at them doing whats normal should just get on with it.
If you make yourself responsible for something or someone then you should do your best to fulfillyour duty.
Committing suicide is running away.

Thank god everyone's mental capacity is identical, thank god everyone has learned the same tools for dealing with shit, thank god we have you here to tell us exactly what we should be able to deal with and how to suck it up and get on with things.

I am sorry your mother went through that and I am glad your mother is okay with it, I really am. But that entire story is completely useless in this conversation. A back story on someone suffering from depression gives context, a similar back story on someone who didn't tells us that everyone is unique, something I think we already know.

Now I'm not getting into my own story, suffice to say you have no idea what you are talking about unless you've been through it yourself, you really REALLY don't. And the only reason I am here today is because the one man I thought would never even understand(I would have expected your reaction from him), let alone suffer from it himself, got me through.

[Burt]

Fuck me this place place is full of fishermen making me bite.

Any idea of what G Speed was getting paid when he topped himself,bet he wasn't on the bread line.

I'm still not sure why you feel that the amount of money he earned makes a difference.

A friend of mine who didnt have a pot to piss in killed himself due to depression, my dad who is middle class retired fireman was found sat on a motorway bridge railing 2 years back, reduced to a quivering wreck for months due to mental illness stemming from depression having retired from a very active job and lost my mum within the space of a few weeks.

If you still dont believe depression is real, I've told this story before on here, and I will again for your benefit. My mum had an abcess which resulted in her losing her teeth. She worked as a travel agent at the time, but became paranoid she wasnt talking right to customers with falsies in, lost her confidence, stopped going to work and slowly withdrew into herself, stopped eating regularly and started drinking a 'few' vodkas a night until she had pickled her liver within the space of a year and died of alcoholic liver disease - root cause of the sequence of events, depression cause by loss of self esteem.

So lets get one thing straight you fucking cunt, you haven't got a fucking clue what you are on about when it comes to depression, money has fuck all to do with it, and if the truth be told, I find your ignorant posts extremely offensive.

You really are a nob arn't you.Think you are the only fucker or your loved ones are the ones who bad things have happened to.Seeing as you give your mum as example what you think of this true story.My mum came to UK when she was 33 could not speak a word of English,her husband died after her being there for 8 years leaving her with no money and 4 kids to bring up.Think she wasn't fuckin depressed.On top of everything when she was 51 she had a stroke and then another 1 and to top it all she had a disease called Ataxia which left her paralysed from the neck down.Think she was sad but she got on with things.
Suicide is the easy way out.
People who get on with whatever problems life throws at them doing whats normal should just get on with it.
If you make yourself responsible for something or someone then you should do your best to fulfillyour duty.
Committing suicide is running away.

You have not got a scooby doo have you mate. Utterly ignorant and blinkered you are and I truly feel sorry for you because one day you may find yourself or someone that you love suffer from this fucker of an illness which decimates lives just like the illnesses that your mother suffered.

Peace Bro but wobble yer fuclin head big time...................

[Original Dub]

You're wasting your time with that lad.

In fact, you're wasting your time with any gobshite that tells you a confirmed condition isn't real.

They are arguing against fact. That can be exhausting.

[ashton287]

You're wasting your time with that lad.

In fact, you're wasting your time with any gobshite that tells you a confirmed condition isn't real.

They are arguing against fact. That can be exhausting.

Being sad shouldn't be classed as a medical condition though.

Fucking naughty kids have a "confirmed condition" these days. In reality they just need a slap.

[Slim]

You're wasting your time with that lad.

In fact, you're wasting your time with any gobshite that tells you a confirmed condition isn't real.

They are arguing against fact. That can be exhausting.

Being sad shouldn't be classed as a medical condition though.

Fucking naughty kids have a "confirmed condition" these days. In reality they just need a slap.

That's so sad.

Although on the bright side, opposable thumbs must be a fun new addition for you.