Nasty's Ankle

[Wonderwall]

It will indeed be interesting to see how Boyata responds to opportunities that come his way and to how much his confidence has been restored.I saw him in a few games last season.At times he looked quality and commanding and then he would make silly mistakes which appeared to be almost overconfidence.Quite right that he is physically the real deal.Time will tell.

Didier drogba will testify to that.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

"He has already gone 1v1 with some top players and won the battle (something Nasty has yet to do)."

I have to take issue with this Ted. Nasty made his name by marking Ibrahimovic out of the game on his Fiorentina debut. He also handled RVP very well at the swamp last season, to name but two top players.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

To be fair to Boyota, I don't think being loaned out to Bolton (in their relegation year) and being played at right back in a defence that was an absolute shambles did his confidence any good at all.

IMHO, if Pellegrini can help Boyota 're-discover' himself, he could be a tremendous asset for the team, for years to come (didn't Mancini do a similar 'resuscitation' operation on Micah when he told him that he was a good player and if he worked hard and absorbed all that he would be asked to learn, he'd become a great player ??) .

[carl_feedthegoat]

"He has already gone 1v1 with some top players and won the battle (something Nasty has yet to do)."

I have to take issue with this Ted. Nasty made his name by marking Ibrahimovic out of the game on his Fiorentina debut. He also handled RVP very well at the swamp last season, to name but two top players.

You are wasting your time mate.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

"He has already gone 1v1 with some top players and won the battle (something Nasty has yet to do)."

I have to take issue with this Ted. Nasty made his name by marking Ibrahimovic out of the game on his Fiorentina debut. He also handled RVP very well at the swamp last season, to name but two top players.

You are wasting your time mate.

I know Ted rates him higher than he lets on.

As far as I'm concerned there's not much in it either way between him and Lescott.

[Ted Hughes]

"He has already gone 1v1 with some top players and won the battle (something Nasty has yet to do)."

I have to take issue with this Ted. Nasty made his name by marking Ibrahimovic out of the game on his Fiorentina debut. He also handled RVP very well at the swamp last season, to name but two top players.

I didn't see him v Ibrahimovic but he made RVP look like Joe fucking Royle in the air. I have NEVER EVER seen Van Persie win so many 50 50 headers ever against anybody & comfortably too, so this, I am absolutely not having.

[Moonchesteri]

I hear we MAY be in for pep(e). I doubt it thou

Kai J Three is that you?

[Ted Hughes]

Please folks watch the bloke as a grown up, not as a kid. If soneone bitches him in the air, renember it as a bad moment, as you would Lescott, Vinny or Kolo Toure & evaluate it. Watch to see if he could make more of an effort to cover situations (even if he doesn't succeedI) rather than holding his own position & playing by the book. Then watch Lescott & Vinny & see if they are willing to come out & risk making cunts of themselves in order to save a situation rather than just occupying space. Etc. If it still works out Nastasic comes out smelling of roses then fucking great, but too much is being allowed for & not included in assesments. It's the 'young player syndrome' everyone watching gooey eyed.

Van Persie was like Duncan fucking Ferguson compared to Nasty & Boyata wouldn't have that problem. He may have worse problems on the ground, but Nasty also left RVP unattended several times too.

Watch the good AND the bad please folks, it's getting like Jones/Smalling Cleverley bollox with stuff being ignored.

If he is miles better this season, I'll be 100% advocatng him as 1st choice. I am, & always have been an advocate of young players.

But only when it's proven 100% real.

All this stuff was said about Redmond, Ian Brightwell & indeed Kit Symons, & I outed all fucking 3 of them seasons in advance, against far bigger public opinion.

I'm not writing Nasty off at that level I'm just asking to see him actually do what people are claiming he has done. He fucking hasn't when I've watched him.

If he starts doing it he'll get my vote. If he doesn't I'll want him out in two seasons.

[Ted Hughes]

Please folks watch the bloke as a grown up, not as a kid. If soneone bitches him in the air, renember it as a bad moment, as you would Lescott, Vinny or Kolo Toure & evaluate it. Watch to see if he could make more of an effort to cover situations (even if he doesn't succeedI) rather than holding his own position & playing by the book. Then watch Lescott & Vinny & see if they are willing to come out & risk making cunts of themselves in order to save a situation rather than just occupying space. Etc. If it still works out Nastasic comes out smelling of roses then fucking great, but too much is being allowed for & not included in assesments. It's the 'young player syndrome' everyone watching gooey eyed.

Van Persie was like Duncan fucking Ferguson compared to Nasty & Boyata wouldn't have that problem. He may have worse problems on the ground, but Nasty also left RVP unattended several times too.

Watch the good AND the bad please folks, it's getting like Jones/Smalling Cleverley bollox with stuff being ignored.

If he is miles better this season, I'll be 100% advocatng him as 1st choice. I am, & always have been an advocate of young players.

But only when it's proven 100% real.

All this stuff was said about Redmond, Ian Brightwell & indeed Kit Symons, & I outed all fucking 3 of them seasons in advance, against far bigger public opinion.

I'm not writing Nasty off at that level I'm just asking to see him actually do what people are claiming he has done. He fucking hasn't when I've watched him.

If he starts doing it he'll get my vote. If he doesn't I'll want him out in two seasons.

[ant london]

if it's worth saying, it's worth saying at least twice

[Ted Hughes]

if it's worth saying, it's worth saying at least twice

Very true.

Ah say very true.

[aaron bond]

"He has already gone 1v1 with some top players and won the battle (something Nasty has yet to do)."

I have to take issue with this Ted. Nasty made his name by marking Ibrahimovic out of the game on his Fiorentina debut. He also handled RVP very well at the swamp last season, to name but two top players.

I didn't see him v Ibrahimovic but he made RVP look like Joe fucking Royle in the air. I have NEVER EVER seen Van Persie win so many 50 50 headers ever against anybody & comfortably too, so this, I am absolutely not having.

Never mind RVP, Walcott beating him to headers when we played Arsenal away was more worrying for me.

The reason I think Nastasic gets away with criticism on here is that when he isn't first to the ball, the striker who wins it can lay it off to the other striker or a midfielder, and we move on to the next phase of play. Then when the opposition has a shot, we've moved on from Nastasic's mistake and people overlook it.

I really want Nastasic to become a top player for us, especially as we paid £12m for him. However, the adulation he gets on here from some is way over the top.

[mr_nool]

To be honest, I really like Nasty. He's not the finished product yet, but he's a damn fine prospect.
I do criticize him in the match threads, sometimes perhaps unfairly, but most of the time not.
But that's mostly as a counter weight to all the shite that is spouted about Lescott. I still think he is a better player than Nasty and the amount of abuse he gets on here is plain silly. It's like it's fashionable to hate him - one loudmouth starts and the rest follow like sheep. Unfortunately Lescott is just one in a log row of City player who gets unwarranted stick on here.

[london blue 2]

Love both of them but I think the shit lescott gets is unfair and all down to the fact he simply looks (regardless of the fact that he's quality) awkward on the ball. It's that simple.

I watched him for England after he joined us, he was bringing the ball down and playing short passes and moving for the return only for the midfield to ignore him. When they inevitably lost the ball it made him look like he was out of position when in actual fact the guy on the ball made a shit choice.

He far better than most give him credit for.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

"He has already gone 1v1 with some top players and won the battle (something Nasty has yet to do)."

I have to take issue with this Ted. Nasty made his name by marking Ibrahimovic out of the game on his Fiorentina debut. He also handled RVP very well at the swamp last season, to name but two top players.

I didn't see him v Ibrahimovic but he made RVP look like Joe fucking Royle in the air. I have NEVER EVER seen Van Persie win so many 50 50 headers ever against anybody & comfortably too, so this, I am absolutely not having.

Mind you don't exaggerate there Ted.

[Twobob]

Love both of them but I think the shit lescott gets is unfair and all down to the fact he simply looks (regardless of the fact that he's quality) awkward on the ball. It's that simple.

I watched him for England after he joined us, he was bringing the ball down and playing short passes and moving for the return only for the midfield to ignore him. When they inevitably lost the ball it made him look like he was out of position when in actual fact the guy on the ball made a shit choice.

He far better than most give him credit for.

He is prone to lapses in concentration though, don't forget the cock up he had then left for dead when QPR scored against us on our title winning season, he almost handed them the win and the rags the title.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Love both of them but I think the shit lescott gets is unfair and all down to the fact he simply looks (regardless of the fact that he's quality) awkward on the ball. It's that simple.

I watched him for England after he joined us, he was bringing the ball down and playing short passes and moving for the return only for the midfield to ignore him. When they inevitably lost the ball it made him look like he was out of position when in actual fact the guy on the ball made a shit choice.

He far better than most give him credit for.

He is prone to lapses in concentration though, don't forget the cock up he had then left for dead when QPR scored against us on our title winning season, he almost handed them the win and the rags the title.

So is Nastasic prone to lapses. There's very few that aren't and they are the elite. Some of the stick being thrown at both on here is just fucking ridiculous really.

[Ted Hughes]

Love both of them but I think the shit lescott gets is unfair and all down to the fact he simply looks (regardless of the fact that he's quality) awkward on the ball. It's that simple.

I watched him for England after he joined us, he was bringing the ball down and playing short passes and moving for the return only for the midfield to ignore him. When they inevitably lost the ball it made him look like he was out of position when in actual fact the guy on the ball made a shit choice.

He far better than most give him credit for.

He is prone to lapses in concentration though, don't forget the cock up he had then left for dead when QPR scored against us on our title winning season, he almost handed them the win and the rags the title.

So is Nastasic prone to lapses. There's very few that aren't and they are the elite. Some of the stick being thrown at both on here is just fucking ridiculous really.

When a promising kid comes into the team, I tend to think ' ooh he did that really well but ohh he fucked up there, he needs to work on A B C etc, & I'm happy that there's a young player who has a decent chance, but will most likely hit several hurdles over the years, as Micah Richards for example, is continuing to. That's what I've seen from Nastasic: a lot of good things to work with.

Then suddenly people are likening him to Bobby fucking Moore & various other world class, legendary players.

He COULD become such a player, because at 20, NONE of us know what he will be capable of & how his game will develop, including the Count, Txiki, the fucking media or Sheikh Mansour or anyone; it's guesswork. At the moment he has several weaknesses. If he still has them at 22ish, then he will probably be on his way. People like Boyata, Lescott, Vinny, who also lack true pace, are slightly more fortunate because they are brick shithouses, so if they suddenly get it right, they are in business; they have an advantage. Nasti, John Terry, Puyol etc have to find another way. It is possible but more difficult.

Nastasic may make up for a lack of top pace by reading the game brilliantly, being clever, or just being a total cunt like Terry or Bruce. He may develop the aerial ability required by similar means & be able to sort out players like Andy Carrol by nudging them off the ball or treading on their toes & become dominant. He may start doing it this season.

Or he may not.

He was not doing it last season; he was a promising kid, playing his own game & trying to keep his own game together & trying to learn; not a dominant Premier League centre half.

I have no idea how Lescott will be this season, he may stink & need to retire for all I know, but his partnership with Vinny, when we won the league was the best, possibly anywhere, & we should have worked our bollocks off as a team & manager, to get it working again, with Nasti learning his trade & being introduced gradually. Not fucking ripped it apart.

[AG7]

Just a reminder ... Nasty is only 19 people, so compare him to the Lescott of when he was 19/20 and not today ... or Boyata at that age ... what were they doing back then? Then compare oranges for oranges ... and Nasty will be heads and shoulders above anyone out there, even Kompany.

[Goataldo]

Just a reminder ... Nasty is only 19 people, so compare him to the Lescott of when he was 19/20 and not today ... or Boyata at that age ... what were they doing back then? Then compare oranges for oranges ... and Nasty will be heads and shoulders above anyone out there, even Kompany.

Shit, I thought Kompany was ten men, but if Nasty's 19 people? Let's play him on his own in front of Joe/Pants and attack attack attack.

And oranges are not the only fruit...