Man City may be rich, but mancityfans is richer!

[aaron bond]

My point is Manchester City is a Lancashire club. My sangar duties are over for good, thank fuck. I don't know what point you tried to make but I haven't lost no battle. Greater Manchester only exists for purely adminsistrative purposes it isn't a real County.

Ah bless...

paulmclaren has company now.

[Beefymcfc]

My point is Manchester City is a Lancashire club. My sangar duties are over for good, thank fuck. I don't know what point you tried to make but I haven't lost no battle. Greater Manchester only exists for purely adminsistrative purposes it isn't a real County.

Well, if it's not a real County then neither is Lancashire. The framework is in law mate.

As for playing in the Lancashire Cup:

Football

Football in Lancashire is governed by the Lancashire County Football Association. Due to the County Football Associations being aligned roughly along historic county boundaries, the Lancashire County FA contains members which were founded within Lancashire as it was in the late 19th century, but which now lie outside the county borders, such as Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool, Everton and Wigan Athletic. However, the Manchester Football Association and Liverpool County Football Association operate in Greater Manchester and Merseyside respectively.[43][44]

I've given evidence to prove that Greater Manchester is a County in it's own right yet you have done nothing to disprove it. If you can show otherwise I am happy to be proven wrong.

On another note, I'm not being arsey mate and if you stick around you'll find I'm probably an alright fella.

Here's to some good posts about City.

[Breks]

I could go and dig up loads of evidence but as this isn't meant to be a political forum I won't bother. You haven't actually proved anything. Facts are facts no matter what anyone says or how many people say otherwise. I'm just looking forward to Manchester City being Champions of Manchester, Lancashire and England. And hopefully Champions of Europe.

[Breks]

There's some info here and a link showing a 'Map of the UK counties'.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/ ... index.html

With regards to that map it only show administrative areas. As you should see for example, Blackburn and Blackpool are included in Lancashire on that map, however they clearly are in Lancashire. So try to post something accurate next time and not local government maps.

[Breks]

http://www.forl.co.uk/images/maps/NW_counties_map.gif

Have a look here for more accurate map

[Breks]

http://www.forl.co.uk/images/maps/FORL_admin_map.gif

Also here

[Breks]

"The new county boundaries are administrative areas, and will not alter the traditional boundaries of counties, nor is it intended that the loyalties of people living in them will change despite the different names adopted by the new administrative counties.”

Government statement issued on 1st April 1974 and printed in the Times newspaper

“I can confirm that the Government still stand by this statement,.…that the local authority areas and boundaries introduced in April 1974 do not alter the traditional boundaries of counties. The 1974 arrangements are entirely administrative, and need not affect long-standing loyalties and affinities.”

Michael Portillo MP, Minister of State for Local Government – 11th July 1990

"The Local Government Act 1972 did not abolish traditional counties, only administrative ones. Although for local government purposes some of the historic counties have ceased to be administrative areas, they continue to exist for other purposes, organisations and local groups.”

Department of the Environment – 3rd September 1991

“Although the Local Government Act of 1888 and subsequent legislation transferred to newly constituted Councils administrative business and responsibility for redefined areas, such legislation did not alter or affect the Duchy palatinate boundaries which remain the same as the old (pre 1888) geographical County of Lancaster. Both Furness and Cartmel lie within the County Palatine”

Duchy of Lancaster Office – 23rd September 1992

“The Government is aware that many people attach importance to historic and traditional county areas and it is not their intention that people’s identification with their counties will be diminished”

John Powell, Office of the Deputy Prime Minister – 29th August 2003

“I can confirm that these Acts (1933, 1972) did not specifically abolish traditional counties so traditional counties still exist but no longer for the purposes of the administration of local Government ...”

Department for Communities and Local Government – 22nd August 2006

“There is no doubt about the importance of historic counties… as part of our history and cultural life. I agree that they provide many people with a strong sense of identity and local pride. Indeed the continued use of traditional county names and areas in tourism, sport, business, literature and the arts, to name but a few examples, bears testament to that. Of course we should all be proud of where we come from.”

Gillian Merron MP, Private Secretary to the Cabinet Office – Hansard 29th June 2007

“The legislation that currently defines counties for the purposes of administration of local government is the Local Government Act 1972 (as amended by various Orders in the 1990s). This legislation abolished the previous administrative counties, which were established by the Local Government Act 1933. However, these Acts did not specifically abolish traditional counties, so traditional counties still exist, but no longer for the purpose of the administration of local government.

We are certainly aware that many people attach importance to historic or traditional county areas and that they feel strongly about such issues. It is true that the traditional counties continue to play an important part in national life, and their names are often used in sport, business, local and family history, military history, literature and the arts”.

Parjit Dhanda MP, PUSS at the Department for Communities & Local Government -16th April 2008

"English counties continue to form an important part of our cultural and local identity in this country and many people remain deeply attached to their home county ... This sense of pride and shared identity is one of the things that binds communities together and it's right that the Government department responsible for communities and local government should be actively recognising the important role they play."

Secretary of State Rt Hon Eric Pickles MP, Department of Communities & Local Government - 10th September 2010



A bit of reading for you beefy.

You stated I had no facts well here they are.

[Breks]

We confirm that although the changes brought about by the 1972, and indeed, subsequent legislation, have altered the administrative boundaries of the County (of Lancashire) for the purposes of local government, they have not affected the boundaries of the Palatinate.

Duchy of Lancaster - 29th August 1996

[aaron bond]

Again, you've missed the point completely.

You keep trying to prove Lancashire is a county, but no one has disputed that, so I don't know why you keep going on about that. Lancashire is one of the traditional/historical counties, and that continues to be the case.

Yet, Greater Manchester is a metropolitan county. That's all Beefy initially said, and you responded it isn't a county. That was the discussion point, yet you seem to fail to grasp that.

We're going in circles here, so best just to leave it.

[Breks]

I get the point. My point was Manchester is in Lancashire. You have missed the point of them quotes. The whole point is that Manchester remains in Lancashire and no amount of administrative changes have changed this fact. So I think it best we do leave it there now.

CTID

[aaron bond]

I get the point. My point was Manchester is in Lancashire. You have missed the point of them quotes. The whole point is that Manchester remains in Lancashire and no amount of administrative changes have changed this fact. So I think it best we do leave it there now.

CTID

FYI - no one said Manchester wasn't in Lancashire.

But anyway...like you said earlier, let's focus on City's success! Welcome to the board :-)

[Dameerto]

There's still only one team in Manchester though.

[Beefymcfc]

No food for thought mate, is Greater Manchester now classed as a county or not?

[Breks]

I'm with you on that pal. Bring on Monday, I can't wait to see how we lineup. We are going to win the league, I believe that and that's rare that I truly believe that.

[Arjan Van Schotte]

ah, Rutland, now there was a proper county. and as for Salop, well....

[ant london]

In terms of "forum debut appearances" go Breks mate this one is a stinking opening salvo.

I guess that the only good thing is that it must get better from here? Shirley?

Is this what it was like when Soccs joined?

[Beefymcfc]

In terms of "forum debut appearances" go Breks mate this one is a stinking opening salvo.

I guess that the only good thing is that it must get better from here? Shirley?

Is this what it was like when Soccs joined?

I think he's ace, a real trooper.

A good man, I hope he sticks around.

*Talking Breks of course, not Soccs* ;-)

[Arjan Van Schotte]

In terms of "forum debut appearances" go Breks mate this one is a stinking opening salvo.

I guess that the only good thing is that it must get better from here? Shirley?

Is this what it was like when Soccs joined?

32 posts and 31 are arguing about historic county boundaries, i really like this man.

[Beefymcfc]

In terms of "forum debut appearances" go Breks mate this one is a stinking opening salvo.

I guess that the only good thing is that it must get better from here? Shirley?

Is this what it was like when Soccs joined?

32 posts and 31 are arguing about historic county boundaries, i really like this man.

Every day's a school day ;-)

[Breks]

I demand a recount