Post Match comments Man City V Hull

[Dubaimancityfan]

Let's not be lumping anything on Lescott today, he seemed a part of a back 1 at times.

Covering for Nastasic was a full time job.

Neither of them are as bad as they looked today. There are major issues regarding set up of that back four.

I think we are too eager to send the fullbacks forward and we end up with a lot of space on the diagonals for them to play in behind and it does squeeze space too much for our actual attackers.

The problem as I saw it was Nastasic's lack of effort to get back on the line, twice we were played through the middle and the only one there was Lescott leaving a great hulking hole where Nastasic was supposed to be occupying space.

Agree with fullback thing.

Nastasic was poor today but we are talking about youngster who has been forced too early back to line up after his injury. Looked like he wasn't fully fit yet.

That might be the case with Nasty and also the fact that it's (probably) the first time he had to partner Lescott. However I think our defensive problems start in the middle with Yaya and Ferni as none of them is doing a proper DM job. Milner, Barry or even Garcia would be better alternatives to Ferni now.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Let's not be lumping anything on Lescott today, he seemed a part of a back 1 at times.

Covering for Nastasic was a full time job.

Neither of them are as bad as they looked today. There are major issues regarding set up of that back four.

I think we are too eager to send the fullbacks forward and we end up with a lot of space on the diagonals for them to play in behind and it does squeeze space too much for our actual attackers.

The problem as I saw it was Nastasic's lack of effort to get back on the line, twice we were played through the middle and the only one there was Lescott leaving a great hulking hole where Nastasic was supposed to be occupying space.

Agree with fullback thing.

Nastasic was poor today but we are talking about youngster who has been forced too early back to line up after his injury. Looked like he wasn't fully fit yet.

There is an argument to be made for that and possibly other contributing factors, but based purely on performance he was the standout for me as the worst player. He had such a bright start last season as well.

There is a tailor made solution here surprisingly in Jack Rodwell. I think we are really hurting from the lack of a sitting midfielder and Jack is talented, young, strong and quick. I think he could really grow into that role and become a lynchpin of this team. It would either mean dropping Yaya Toure or a guy who just cost £30M, or the other option to play one up top and having four runners in behind Negredo or Dzeko.

Or dropping Silva who was poor today, and allowing both of them freedom to get forward. no one should have a guaranteed place.

[Cit.revenge]

Yaya must be free he just can't defend and is much better if hes the one getting the ball from DM over the Centar line ,then Aguero still is not Aguero from 2012 and Zabba need to stop closing Navas space by cutting in all the time . Better attack today would well destroy us.

[Dubaimancityfan]

Let's not be lumping anything on Lescott today, he seemed a part of a back 1 at times.

Covering for Nastasic was a full time job.

Neither of them are as bad as they looked today. There are major issues regarding set up of that back four.

I think we are too eager to send the fullbacks forward and we end up with a lot of space on the diagonals for them to play in behind and it does squeeze space too much for our actual attackers.

The problem as I saw it was Nastasic's lack of effort to get back on the line, twice we were played through the middle and the only one there was Lescott leaving a great hulking hole where Nastasic was supposed to be occupying space.

Agree with fullback thing.

Nastasic was poor today but we are talking about youngster who has been forced too early back to line up after his injury. Looked like he wasn't fully fit yet.

That might be the case with Nasty and also the fact that it's (probably) the first time he had to partner Lescott. However I think our defensive problems start in the middle with Yaya and Ferni as none of them is doing a proper DM job. Milner, Barry or even Garcia would be better alternatives to Ferni now.

I forgot about Jack and of course he would have a better pick today instead of Ferni. Not even on the bench today which tells you that MP is still learning about his players. Hope he is a quick learner !

[Slim]

Or dropping Silva who was poor today, and allowing both of them freedom to get forward. no one should have a guaranteed place.

I think he was okay without being David Silva level brilliant we know he can be. But in all honesty, we haven't seen that for a while.

If we line up with one up top the front 5 would be along the lines of...

Negredo/Dzeko
JoJo/Aguero--Fernandinho/Silva--Yaya/Nasri--Navas/Milner

It would give freedom for all those players to attack, Yaya to drop into the hole and a player to trail the play(which we lacked so badly today, everyone wanted to be a fucking striker when we were in their third), width and pace on the flanks and more freedom for Yaya, which I think we all want.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Or dropping Silva who was poor today, and allowing both of them freedom to get forward. no one should have a guaranteed place.

I think he was okay without being David Silva level brilliant we know he can be. But in all honesty, we haven't seen that for a while.

If we line up with one up top the front 5 would be along the lines of...

Negredo/Dzeko
JoJo/Aguero--Fernandinho/Silva--Yaya/Nasri--Navas/Milner

It would give freedom for all those players to attack, Yaya to drop into the hole and a player to trail the play(which we lacked so badly today, everyone wanted to be a fucking striker when we were in their third), width and pace on the flanks and more freedom for Yaya, which I think we all want.

I said the other day that whilst Silva hasn't been terrible he has been living off his 2011 form for too long without ever really getting anywhere near it. In the first half of the title winning season he was up there with the very best in the world but when we see him play now he just doesn't look as sharp, going for passes which will never come off and finding it much harder to wriggle free of defenders.

Along with Aguero and Toure though, he does seem to be undroppable and I don't think any player should be afforded this luxury.

I've also never really seen Jovetic play, what type of player is he? Does he play on the wing at all?

[Beefymcfc]

Let's not be lumping anything on Lescott today, he seemed a part of a back 1 at times.

Covering for Nastasic was a full time job.

Neither of them are as bad as they looked today. There are major issues regarding set up of that back four.

I think we are too eager to send the fullbacks forward and we end up with a lot of space on the diagonals for them to play in behind and it does squeeze space too much for our actual attackers.

The problem as I saw it was Nastasic's lack of effort to get back on the line, twice we were played through the middle and the only one there was Lescott leaving a great hulking hole where Nastasic was supposed to be occupying space.

Agree with fullback thing.

Nastasic was poor today but we are talking about youngster who has been forced too early back to line up after his injury. Looked like he wasn't fully fit yet.

There is an argument to be made for that and possibly other contributing factors, but based purely on performance he was the standout for me as the worst player. He had such a bright start last season as well.

There is a tailor made solution here surprisingly in Jack Rodwell. I think we are really hurting from the lack of a sitting midfielder and Jack is talented, young, strong and quick. I think he could really grow into that role and become a lynchpin of this team. It would either mean dropping Yaya Toure or a guy who just cost £30M, or the other option to play one up top and having four runners in behind Negredo or Dzeko.

It's a wierd one, isn't it. Big Dave is now playing on the wing rather than his usual spot in the middle.

As a recognised player for your country, how does it go down?

What I seen today from Pellers was terrible. We've got some great players who understand what they have to do but the system (it's supposed to work from the outset) just doesn't work. We were expected to spank Cardiff and Hull at home but we ended up relying on individuals to prove our worth.

[failsworthblue]

Can't wait for the new exciting style of football promised.

[bleedBlue]

Some brazilians are not meant for the Premier League, Fernandhino is one of them...im gutted and demand that we are refunded that ridiculous transfer fee. why is he an automatic starter? What worries me most is the fact that we have not learned how to defend and press as a team. Need drastic changes or else we're screwed thus season...I'm mentally preparing for the worse.

Clearly we have some players who think its their right to start every game regardless of their performance...silva, yaya, aguero...even my 9 months old can predict silva passes these days.. aguero...to me cost us last season,why..cause we could have scored and win games if he only passed the ball... (well farfetched but its all part of my venting process)
Yaya...lazy fuck...

Hope the engineer humbles himself , realizes his mistakes, fix them ASAP...

[ashton287]

Pellers is shit

[Ted Hughes]

Some thoughts. Warning: LONG POST.

(Anyone not interested just move along and fuck off, don't read it all then complain.)

I can understand someone thinking the system is wrong & wanting it changing but I can't get my head round the notion that it was ever likely to work in such short space of time.

Along with some others, I called out the defensive bollocks pre season & got sarcastically dismissed by some for 'reading too much' into pre season games, as if I was behaving like a fucking idiot. It was obvious that the number of changes to the defensive system were causing chaos to the team.

Well 'up yours' to all of those who came out with those comments. Now some of those people are listing the exact faults I listed then.

It was a total fucking mess then, & it is now. The problems go through the whole team, not just the back 4. Second half there was an immediate improvement in each aspect, so the Count talking is having an effect, but it was still shaky as fuck & likely to fall apart at any time.

Pre season, I said I can't see how this can possibly be trained into the players in a short time & that, imo, it may take all season. Nothing I've seen changes that.

My hope is that the attack will get it's shit together (we have seen snippets of new ideas) & that, with a reasonable improvement in the defence, we will still be successful, because our attacking options are so fucking good basically. But today & at Cardiff, it was not a title winning team. Today it was barely a top 8 team, rescued by 2 sheer quality moments. We were like the rags have been most weeks for the past 4 years tbf though; utter shite but still won.

The attack will be no problem imo, we have the extra ability to nick goals from crosses & free kicks (due to spending time practicing free kicks #not rocket science) & Negredo just looks like the best striker in the Premier League imo; he is a fucking awesome PROPER CENTRE FORWARD. Any of the others could play with him, including Dzeko but none can do what he does.

(Has he reached our total of headed goals from strikers from the whole of last season already perhaps ?) Crosses & movement are getting there. Corners look dangerous. Free kicks are being practiced. Those are all big plusses.

Elsewhere, I told everyone last season that Nastasic was useless 1v1 & again got hysterical, sarcastic, shit for it. He got skinned plenty then, (& pre season by Connor Wickham) & several times today.

BUT, he is a kid & he will almost certainly get better at that, & a lot of the mistakes he made today were, like Lescott, due to confusion, nerves, worrying about positions, rather than doing his own job, etc etc. Sometimes he & Lescott were so busy trying to watch for formational fuckups that they lost concentration on their own jobs & had to rely on a shout from the partner.

There is a fundemental problem which is contributing to the nervous, confused, behaviour of our cbs imo: the oppo strikers are getting on the ball too easily, with time & space to turn or 1-2 & then run at them. They are dropping off & the midfield is not picking them up. The cbs can see this & it is making them jumpy; Nastasic for instance was skinned several times due to trying to come out & nick the ball & getting it wrong.

I have no problem with that from the kid, it shows he is trying to be proactive rather than just standing around watching, keeping his nose clean, looking cool, like he did many times last season. I don't blame him for what happened today, nor Lescott when he got skinned; the system was all over the shop & it was in their heads all the time causing indecision.

Likewise I have no problem with Yaya's efforts defensively today, he ran with players when it was needed & played hard. Fernandinho ran his fucking bollocks off, & by the end of the game had gone from nervous shite, to the best player on the pitch.

But they don't protect the centre backs. They move around.

Because we have Yaya/fernandinho making runs around the pitch, Silva & Navas wideish, plus two strikers & no Barry or Nige, we often caught with 4 players less in that area than we used to. Dortmund would score ten goals.

The idea I think is that our 'pressing game' is supposed to win us the ball back, thus negating the problem. But our pressing game utterly failed 1st half. Second half it started to come together, especially when Fernandinho got involved.

In conclusion: imo the Count is trying to implement about 5 or 6 big changes to the way we play & we are only getting about 2 or 3 right at any given time, so the whole system isn't working & the defenders are nervous because of it.

It's down to personal choice as to whether people think it should be stopped or whether we just get on with it. But it's not going to be easy & imo, Lescott, Kompany, Nastasic are not the right kind of cbs for that defence. One of them needs to be Keith Curle.

[Beefymcfc]

Some thoughts. Warning: LONG POST.

(Anyone not interested just move along and fuck off, don't read it all then complain.)

I can understand someone thinking the system is wrong & wanting it changing but I can't get my head round the notion that it was ever likely to work in such short space of time.

Along with some others, I called out the defensive bollocks pre season & got sarcastically dismissed by some for 'reading too much' into pre season games, as if I was behaving like a fucking idiot. It was obvious that the number of changes to the defensive system were causing chaos to the team.

Well 'up yours' to all of those who came out with those comments. Now some of those people are listing the exact faults I listed then.

It was a total fucking mess then, & it is now. The problems go through the whole team, not just the back 4. Second half there was an immediate improvement in each aspect, so the Count talking is having an effect, but it was still shaky as fuck & likely to fall apart at any time.

Pre season, I said I can't see how this can possibly be trained into the players in a short time & that, imo, it may take all season. Nothing I've seen changes that.

My hope is that the attack will get it's shit together (we have seen snippets of new ideas) & that, with a reasonable improvement in the defence, we will still be successful, because our attacking options are so fucking good basically. But today & at Cardiff, it was not a title winning team. Today it was barely a top 8 team, rescued by 2 sheer quality moments. We were like the rags have been most weeks for the past 4 years tbf though; utter shite but still won.

The attack will be no problem imo, we have the extra ability to nick goals from crosses & free kicks (due to spending time practicing free kicks #not rocket science) & Negredo just looks like the best striker in the Premier League imo; he is a fucking awesome PROPER CENTRE FORWARD. Any of the others could play with him, including Dzeko but none can do what he does.

(Has he reached our total of headed goals from strikers from the whole of last season already perhaps ?) Crosses & movement are getting there. Corners look dangerous. Free kicks are being practiced. Those are all big plusses.

Elsewhere, I told everyone last season that Nastasic was useless 1v1 & again got hysterical, sarcastic, shit for it. He got skinned plenty then, (& pre season by Connor Wickham) & several times today.

BUT, he is a kid & he will almost certainly get better at that, & a lot of the mistakes he made today were, like Lescott, due to confusion, nerves, worrying about positions, rather than doing his own job, etc etc. Sometimes he & Lescott were so busy trying to watch for formational fuckups that they lost concentration on their own jobs & had to rely on a shout from the partner.

There is a fundemental problem which is contributing to the nervous, confused, behaviour of our cbs imo: the oppo strikers are getting on the ball too easily, with time & space to turn or 1-2 & then run at them. They are dropping off & the midfield is not picking them up. The cbs can see this & it is making them jumpy; Nastasic for instance was skinned several times due to trying to come out & nick the ball & getting it wrong.

I have no problem with that from the kid, it shows he is trying to be proactive rather than just standing around watching, keeping his nose clean, looking cool, like he did many times last season. I don't blame him for what happened today, nor Lescott when he got skinned; the system was all over the shop & it was in their heads all the time causing indecision.

Likewise I have no problem with Yaya's efforts defensively today, he ran with players when it was needed & played hard. Fernandinho ran his fucking bollocks off, & by the end of the game had gone from nervous shite, to the best player on the pitch.

But they don't protect the centre backs. They move around.

Because we have Yaya/fernandinho making runs around the pitch, Silva & Navas wideish, plus two strikers & no Barry or Nige, we often caught with 4 players less in that area than we used to. Dortmund would score ten goals.

The idea I think is that our 'pressing game' is supposed to win us the ball back, thus negating the problem. But our pressing game utterly failed 1st half. Second half it started to come together, especially when Fernandinho got involved.

In conclusion: imo the Count is trying to implement about 5 or 6 big changes to the way we play & we are only getting about 2 or 3 right at any given time, so the whole system isn't working & the defenders are nervous because of it.

It's down to personal choice as to whether people think it should be stopped or whether we just get on with it. But it's not going to be easy & imo, Lescott, Kompany, Nastasic are not the right kind of cbs for that defence. One of them needs to be Keith Curle.

Well done. Pellers id wrong.

[Slim]

Ted, your entire post is invalid, you can't put spaces in hashtags.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Some thoughts. Warning: LONG POST.

(Anyone not interested just move along and fuck off, don't read it all then complain.)

I can understand someone thinking the system is wrong & wanting it changing but I can't get my head round the notion that it was ever likely to work in such short space of time.

Along with some others, I called out the defensive bollocks pre season & got sarcastically dismissed by some for 'reading too much' into pre season games, as if I was behaving like a fucking idiot. It was obvious that the number of changes to the defensive system were causing chaos to the team.

Well 'up yours' to all of those who came out with those comments. Now some of those people are listing the exact faults I listed then.

It was a total fucking mess then, & it is now. The problems go through the whole team, not just the back 4. Second half there was an immediate improvement in each aspect, so the Count talking is having an effect, but it was still shaky as fuck & likely to fall apart at any time.

Pre season, I said I can't see how this can possibly be trained into the players in a short time & that, imo, it may take all season. Nothing I've seen changes that.

My hope is that the attack will get it's shit together (we have seen snippets of new ideas) & that, with a reasonable improvement in the defence, we will still be successful, because our attacking options are so fucking good basically. But today & at Cardiff, it was not a title winning team. Today it was barely a top 8 team, rescued by 2 sheer quality moments. We were like the rags have been most weeks for the past 4 years tbf though; utter shite but still won.

The attack will be no problem imo, we have the extra ability to nick goals from crosses & free kicks (due to spending time practicing free kicks #not rocket science) & Negredo just looks like the best striker in the Premier League imo; he is a fucking awesome PROPER CENTRE FORWARD. Any of the others could play with him, including Dzeko but none can do what he does.

(Has he reached our total of headed goals from strikers from the whole of last season already perhaps ?) Crosses & movement are getting there. Corners look dangerous. Free kicks are being practiced. Those are all big plusses.

Elsewhere, I told everyone last season that Nastasic was useless 1v1 & again got hysterical, sarcastic, shit for it. He got skinned plenty then, (& pre season by Connor Wickham) & several times today.

BUT, he is a kid & he will almost certainly get better at that, & a lot of the mistakes he made today were, like Lescott, due to confusion, nerves, worrying about positions, rather than doing his own job, etc etc. Sometimes he & Lescott were so busy trying to watch for formational fuckups that they lost concentration on their own jobs & had to rely on a shout from the partner.

There is a fundemental problem which is contributing to the nervous, confused, behaviour of our cbs imo: the oppo strikers are getting on the ball too easily, with time & space to turn or 1-2 & then run at them. They are dropping off & the midfield is not picking them up. The cbs can see this & it is making them jumpy; Nastasic for instance was skinned several times due to trying to come out & nick the ball & getting it wrong.

I have no problem with that from the kid, it shows he is trying to be proactive rather than just standing around watching, keeping his nose clean, looking cool, like he did many times last season. I don't blame him for what happened today, nor Lescott when he got skinned; the system was all over the shop & it was in their heads all the time causing indecision.

Likewise I have no problem with Yaya's efforts defensively today, he ran with players when it was needed & played hard. Fernandinho ran his fucking bollocks off, & by the end of the game had gone from nervous shite, to the best player on the pitch.

But they don't protect the centre backs. They move around.

Because we have Yaya/fernandinho making runs around the pitch, Silva & Navas wideish, plus two strikers & no Barry or Nige, we often caught with 4 players less in that area than we used to. Dortmund would score ten goals.

The idea I think is that our 'pressing game' is supposed to win us the ball back, thus negating the problem. But our pressing game utterly failed 1st half. Second half it started to come together, especially when Fernandinho got involved.

In conclusion: imo the Count is trying to implement about 5 or 6 big changes to the way we play & we are only getting about 2 or 3 right at any given time, so the whole system isn't working & the defenders are nervous because of it.

It's down to personal choice as to whether people think it should be stopped or whether we just get on with it. But it's not going to be easy & imo, Lescott, Kompany, Nastasic are not the right kind of cbs for that defence. One of them needs to be Keith Curle.

Way too long post. Booooooooooring.

P.s. Kompany is lot like Curle really

[Ted Hughes]

Some thoughts. Warning: LONG POST.

(Anyone not interested just move along and fuck off, don't read it all then complain.)

I can understand someone thinking the system is wrong & wanting it changing but I can't get my head round the notion that it was ever likely to work in such short space of time.

Along with some others, I called out the defensive bollocks pre season & got sarcastically dismissed by some for 'reading too much' into pre season games, as if I was behaving like a fucking idiot. It was obvious that the number of changes to the defensive system were causing chaos to the team.

Well 'up yours' to all of those who came out with those comments. Now some of those people are listing the exact faults I listed then.

It was a total fucking mess then, & it is now. The problems go through the whole team, not just the back 4. Second half there was an immediate improvement in each aspect, so the Count talking is having an effect, but it was still shaky as fuck & likely to fall apart at any time.

Pre season, I said I can't see how this can possibly be trained into the players in a short time & that, imo, it may take all season. Nothing I've seen changes that.

My hope is that the attack will get it's shit together (we have seen snippets of new ideas) & that, with a reasonable improvement in the defence, we will still be successful, because our attacking options are so fucking good basically. But today & at Cardiff, it was not a title winning team. Today it was barely a top 8 team, rescued by 2 sheer quality moments. We were like the rags have been most weeks for the past 4 years tbf though; utter shite but still won.

The attack will be no problem imo, we have the extra ability to nick goals from crosses & free kicks (due to spending time practicing free kicks #not rocket science) & Negredo just looks like the best striker in the Premier League imo; he is a fucking awesome PROPER CENTRE FORWARD. Any of the others could play with him, including Dzeko but none can do what he does.

(Has he reached our total of headed goals from strikers from the whole of last season already perhaps ?) Crosses & movement are getting there. Corners look dangerous. Free kicks are being practiced. Those are all big plusses.

Elsewhere, I told everyone last season that Nastasic was useless 1v1 & again got hysterical, sarcastic, shit for it. He got skinned plenty then, (& pre season by Connor Wickham) & several times today.

BUT, he is a kid & he will almost certainly get better at that, & a lot of the mistakes he made today were, like Lescott, due to confusion, nerves, worrying about positions, rather than doing his own job, etc etc. Sometimes he & Lescott were so busy trying to watch for formational fuckups that they lost concentration on their own jobs & had to rely on a shout from the partner.

There is a fundemental problem which is contributing to the nervous, confused, behaviour of our cbs imo: the oppo strikers are getting on the ball too easily, with time & space to turn or 1-2 & then run at them. They are dropping off & the midfield is not picking them up. The cbs can see this & it is making them jumpy; Nastasic for instance was skinned several times due to trying to come out & nick the ball & getting it wrong.

I have no problem with that from the kid, it shows he is trying to be proactive rather than just standing around watching, keeping his nose clean, looking cool, like he did many times last season. I don't blame him for what happened today, nor Lescott when he got skinned; the system was all over the shop & it was in their heads all the time causing indecision.

Likewise I have no problem with Yaya's efforts defensively today, he ran with players when it was needed & played hard. Fernandinho ran his fucking bollocks off, & by the end of the game had gone from nervous shite, to the best player on the pitch.

But they don't protect the centre backs. They move around.

Because we have Yaya/fernandinho making runs around the pitch, Silva & Navas wideish, plus two strikers & no Barry or Nige, we often caught with 4 players less in that area than we used to. Dortmund would score ten goals.

The idea I think is that our 'pressing game' is supposed to win us the ball back, thus negating the problem. But our pressing game utterly failed 1st half. Second half it started to come together, especially when Fernandinho got involved.

In conclusion: imo the Count is trying to implement about 5 or 6 big changes to the way we play & we are only getting about 2 or 3 right at any given time, so the whole system isn't working & the defenders are nervous because of it.

It's down to personal choice as to whether people think it should be stopped or whether we just get on with it. But it's not going to be easy & imo, Lescott, Kompany, Nastasic are not the right kind of cbs for that defence. One of them needs to be Keith Curle.

Way too long post. Booooooooooring.

P.s. Kompany is lot like Curle really

But 3 yards slower with 20% of his acceleration. Curle would lap vinny in a 100m sprint.

That's the biggest problem with all of our cbs though; lack of acceleration. Hence vinny's red cards.

[Rag_hater]

I thought Zabba,Lescott and Joe did alright today and,we kept a clean sheet.Also think Yaya had his worst game today for ages but I think he was still our best midfielder.

[Hazy2]

we won. Hate to think how we will fair against a team with a decent MF.

[Goaters 103]

Disjointed performance, looking extremely fallable at the back and lacking real pace or incision when we went forwards.

The goal came from one of the only decent moves of one touch, quick passing, that we put together.

Much work to do. Given last weeks shambles, our first half defensive "performance" made me wonder what the fucl theyd done all week in training.

Continue in this vein and we wont win at Stoke or in Plzen. Extremely worrying all around.

Negredo the one bright spark who livened things up when he came on. That said, the first half showing was so poor Barry fookin Conlon could have livened it with a modicum of effort.

[gmercer1]

Yaya and Fernadinho could be the new Gerrard and Lampard ie. cannot play together.

[Ted Hughes]

Yaya and Fernadinho could be the new Gerrard and Lampard ie. cannot play together.

Cannot play together 'alone' is more to the point imo. Need one more.

And once again, Silva was actually the most ineffective midfield player.