Rags Gutted Mancini Has Gone.

[BlueinBosnia]

That wouldn't even put him among five best paid managers in the world. He is easily among top ten, imo top five, managers in the world. Sounds like very fair wage demands especially as he would be going to second rate league.

In fairness, approx 150k Euro a week to manage in a second-rate league is less than what I believe he deserves (assuming that the 20m is spread over the 3 years). However, to say Mancini is amongst the top 5 managers in the world is totally daft. Even top 5 currently out of employment would be pushing it a tiny bit.

That is ridiculous. His record alone puts him in that group.

I'd agree that his record alone puts him in that group, but that's simply because his tactics and man-management skills have a negative impact on his reputation in comparison to his record.

[ross.mcfc]

That wouldn't even put him among five best paid managers in the world. He is easily among top ten, imo top five, managers in the world. Sounds like very fair wage demands especially as he would be going to second rate league.

In fairness, approx 150k Euro a week to manage in a second-rate league is less than what I believe he deserves (assuming that the 20m is spread over the 3 years). However, to say Mancini is amongst the top 5 managers in the world is totally daft. Even top 5 currently out of employment would be pushing it a tiny bit.

That is ridiculous. His record alone puts him in that group.

I'd agree that his record alone puts him in that group, but that's simply because his tactics and man-management skills have a negative impact on his reputation in comparison to his record.

He is a smart guy and knows it wise to remain one of the best unemployed managers around. It is probably the only way he might get another plum gig. He left Inter under a cloud but his time on the sidelines let everyone forget all his misgivings. If he goes to a second rate league and does not deliver he would never get another top job again. Look at Frank Rijkaard.

He would do well to sit tight and wait for PSG or Monaco to sack their managers. One of them will go at some point. I could see him at Chelsea one day as well.

[john68]

All very emotional and tribal but so much irrational shite and lack of real understanding of what it really takes to become and then remain a champion, not just in football but in any sport.

I have continuously said and been continuously ignored, that "Players don't win titles, Teams win titles. To view City's squad as the best in the League is only part of the deal. As Sparty rightly suggests better quality players usually do give some level of advantage but not always and certainly never instantly. That applies in any team sport not just football.
Players, no matter how much they cost or how good they may be individually, are only one of many factors involved. Building a team takes time.
The rags took around seven years under taggart, Chelsea's building didn't start under Abramovich but many years before he arrived. Shankly was at Liverpool many years before his Liverpool became all conquering. Mercer/Allison won us the league but failed to sustain it and we settled for a very successful Cup team.
Money and resources are not the ultimate arbiter of success either, neither does it offer anything like immediacy of success. Money and resources allow players to be bought, mistakes to be made and give the affordability to rectify those mistakes. A process that all successfully evolving teams go through. One has only to look at the rags, Chelsea and Arsenal to see that.
In every sport, there are great champions but very few who are able to sustain it over the longer period. Often, the most successful have succeeded, then failed, learnt the lessons, rectified mistakes, strengthened weaknesses and come back stronger.

Mancini had his faults, even when he won the League. That fact is irrefutable, but did anyone expect perfection? The examination of Mancini was almost forensic on here but there was no forensic examination of his rival's mistakes, they obviously had worse records. The criticism of Mancini may have been factually correct but was his record any worse than any other manager at any other time in the League. Certainly taggart won several titles whilst making some howling blunders.

By some of the cockeyed logic on here, City should have won the League at a canter last season. Carrying that cockeyed logic into this season, many more £miilions spent and an influx of even more world class players. City should be miles ahead of every other team. Pellergrini should have the easiest job in the Prem. The title should be done and dusted by around February.

I'll bet you a penny to a pinch of shit...it won't pan out that way.

[Hazy2]

If Moyes does not improve we might see Bobby at the swamp.

[john68]

If Moyes does not improve we might see Bobby at the swamp.

Considering how they boasted about their patience paying off during taggart's early failures, it will be very interesting to see how much patience they now have for Gollum.

Take Shrek and Van penis from their squad and there's nothing of note left but pretty average players.

Shrek had a point when he said that the rags didn't meet his own expectations. Can't understand why he stayed.

[gillie]

If Moyes does not improve we might see Bobby at the swamp.

Considering how they boasted about their patience paying off during taggart's early failures, it will be very interesting to see how much patience they now have for Gollum.

Take Shrek and Van penis from their squad and there's nothing of note left but pretty average players.

Shrek had a point when he said that the rags didn't meet his own expectations. Can't understand why he stayed.

As much as i loathe that cunt Rooney he still looks like the only rag that tries when they are up against it.I would not be averse to us signing him in Jan I honestly think he would help us win the league.Ok you can now abuse the fuck out of me for suggesting that if you want but it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

[Beefymcfc]

If Moyes does not improve we might see Bobby at the swamp.

Considering how they boasted about their patience paying off during taggart's early failures, it will be very interesting to see how much patience they now have for Gollum.

Take Shrek and Van penis from their squad and there's nothing of note left but pretty average players.

Shrek had a point when he said that the rags didn't meet his own expectations. Can't understand why he stayed.

As much as i loathe that cunt Rooney he still looks like the only rag that tries when they are up against it.I would not be averse to us signing him in Jan I honestly think he would help us win the league.Ok you can now abuse the fuck out of me for suggesting that if you want but it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

If there wasn't so much bad blood between us and if he wasn't such a complete and utter cock then I'd agree with you.

Now go and wash your mouth out.

[MilnersJaw]

Fuck Shrek joining

[AG7]

As much as i loathe that cunt Rooney he still looks like the only rag that tries when they are up against it.I would not be averse to us signing him in Jan I honestly think he would help us win the league.Ok you can now abuse the fuck out of me for suggesting that if you want but it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

First explain that you'd sign him to strengthen us up front cuz he is that good OR you want to sign him to weaken them as he's the only hard worker left there?

If it's the earlier ... we can probably buy an equally good striker with the amount of £ we'll have to spend for him ... and if it is the later, they won't be our out and out competitor that we need to worry about weakening them ...

So NO !!

Although I see your point of view, but really? If he's the last one left in the whole world maybe but hey I'll take even Suarez ahead of him any day.

[john68]

Poor poor Gillie....He was a lovely bloke when he had all his faculties working properly.

Please don't abuse him....He is one of the most genuinely lovely blokes on here. Mad as a fuckin hatter and goin senile, but nevertheless a lovely bloke.....:-)

YOU'D SIGN SHREK TO PLAY FOR US???????.....Medication for Gillie please nurse.

[Socrates]

All very emotional and tribal but so much irrational shite and lack of real understanding of what it really takes to become and then remain a champion, not just in football but in any sport.

I have continuously said and been continuously ignored, that "Players don't win titles, Teams win titles. To view City's squad as the best in the League is only part of the deal. As Sparty rightly suggests better quality players usually do give some level of advantage but not always and certainly never instantly. That applies in any team sport not just football.
Players, no matter how much they cost or how good they may be individually, are only one of many factors involved. Building a team takes time.
The rags took around seven years under taggart, Chelsea's building didn't start under Abramovich but many years before he arrived. Shankly was at Liverpool many years before his Liverpool became all conquering. Mercer/Allison won us the league but failed to sustain it and we settled for a very successful Cup team.
Money and resources are not the ultimate arbiter of success either, neither does it offer anything like immediacy of success. Money and resources allow players to be bought, mistakes to be made and give the affordability to rectify those mistakes. A process that all successfully evolving teams go through. One has only to look at the rags, Chelsea and Arsenal to see that.
In every sport, there are great champions but very few who are able to sustain it over the longer period. Often, the most successful have succeeded, then failed, learnt the lessons, rectified mistakes, strengthened weaknesses and come back stronger.

Mancini had his faults, even when he won the League. That fact is irrefutable, but did anyone expect perfection? The examination of Mancini was almost forensic on here but there was no forensic examination of his rival's mistakes, they obviously had worse records. The criticism of Mancini may have been factually correct but was his record any worse than any other manager at any other time in the League. Certainly taggart won several titles whilst making some howling blunders.

By some of the cockeyed logic on here, City should have won the League at a canter last season. Carrying that cockeyed logic into this season, many more £miilions spent and an influx of even more world class players. City should be miles ahead of every other team. Pellergrini should have the easiest job in the Prem. The title should be done and dusted by around February.

I'll bet you a penny to a pinch of shit...it won't pan out that way.

All correct and add to that that people look at transfer fee spending in isolation as if all clubs were on a level start! Our overall expenditure as a club now matches United. Matches it, not exceeds it, and our ten year expenditure is still way less. There is no reason money wise why we should be ahead of them or Chelsea after their sustained spending over many more years. Achieving a title so quickly was a major achievement and thinking otherwise is not just arrogant and cocky but is total bollocks.

[Burt]

All very emotional and tribal but so much irrational shite and lack of real understanding of what it really takes to become and then remain a champion, not just in football but in any sport.

I have continuously said and been continuously ignored, that "Players don't win titles, Teams win titles. To view City's squad as the best in the League is only part of the deal. As Sparty rightly suggests better quality players usually do give some level of advantage but not always and certainly never instantly. That applies in any team sport not just football.
Players, no matter how much they cost or how good they may be individually, are only one of many factors involved. Building a team takes time.
The rags took around seven years under taggart, Chelsea's building didn't start under Abramovich but many years before he arrived. Shankly was at Liverpool many years before his Liverpool became all conquering. Mercer/Allison won us the league but failed to sustain it and we settled for a very successful Cup team.
Money and resources are not the ultimate arbiter of success either, neither does it offer anything like immediacy of success. Money and resources allow players to be bought, mistakes to be made and give the affordability to rectify those mistakes. A process that all successfully evolving teams go through. One has only to look at the rags, Chelsea and Arsenal to see that.
In every sport, there are great champions but very few who are able to sustain it over the longer period. Often, the most successful have succeeded, then failed, learnt the lessons, rectified mistakes, strengthened weaknesses and come back stronger.

Mancini had his faults, even when he won the League. That fact is irrefutable, but did anyone expect perfection? The examination of Mancini was almost forensic on here but there was no forensic examination of his rival's mistakes, they obviously had worse records. The criticism of Mancini may have been factually correct but was his record any worse than any other manager at any other time in the League. Certainly taggart won several titles whilst making some howling blunders.

By some of the cockeyed logic on here, City should have won the League at a canter last season. Carrying that cockeyed logic into this season, many more £miilions spent and an influx of even more world class players. City should be miles ahead of every other team. Pellergrini should have the easiest job in the Prem. The title should be done and dusted by around February.

I'll bet you a penny to a pinch of shit...it won't pan out that way.

All correct and add to that that people look at transfer fee spending in isolation as if all clubs were on a level start! Our overall expenditure as a club now matches United. Matches it, not exceeds it, and our ten year expenditure is still way less. There is no reason money wise why we should be ahead of them or Chelsea after their sustained spending over many more years. Achieving a title so quickly was a major achievement and thinking otherwise is not just arrogant and cocky but is total bollocks.

Are you sure about that ten year expenditure Cratey fella?

[kennyboy]

How can they blame Moyes? He dosent have better players there than he did at Everton.
Sir Bacons absence to manipulate the refs is showing at last.

[john68]

Burt,
Whilst the actual figures may differ substantially, I think Socs has a point regarding players' values, relative to the time.
Roy K**t cost around £3ish but at the time it was a record transfer.
On the day we beat them 5-1, they were the most expensively assembled group of players (I refuse to call them team).

The present complaint of some of the old elite, that we and our like have pushed the cost of players up is abject nonsense. The rags and their like did it for years before us.

[BlueinBosnia]

Burt,
Whilst the actual figures may differ substantially, I think Socs has a point regarding players' values, relative to the time.
Roy K**t cost around £3ish but at the time it was a record transfer.
On the day we beat them 5-1, they were the most expensively assembled group of players (I refuse to call them team).

To add to that, the last Derby we played against them without Fergie at their helm, their team cost 20 times as much as ours. Something like 4.5 million compared to 275k, although ours is considerably undervalued, due to having had quite a few player exchanges. Also, only 1 of their players was homegrown, compared to (I think) 4 of hours. I'll find the stat now.

[BlueinBosnia]

Here you go:

26th October 1986, final score 1-1

Teams:
City
GK Perry Suckling (player-exchange) RB John Gidman (free) CB Mick McCarthy (£200k) CB Kenny Clements (free) LB Clive Wilson (home-grown) RM Steve Redmond (home-grown) CM Neil McNab (£35k) CM Tony Grealish (£20k) LM Paul Simpson (home-grown) CF Imre Varadi (player-ex) CF David White (home-grown) Sub: Ian Brightwell (home-grown)

Total cost = £255k

Dirty Rags
GK Chris Turner (£275k) RB Johnny Sivebaek (£200k) CB Paul McGrath (£30k) CB Graeme Hogg (home-grown) LB Arthur Albiston (home-grown) RM Gordon Strachan (£600k) CM Bryan Robson (£1.5m) CM Norman Whiteside (home-grown) LM Peter Barnes (£30k) CF Peter Davenport (£750k) CF Frank Stapleton (£900k)

Total cost = £4.285m

From this article: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/24167060

[Socrates]

Burt,
Whilst the actual figures may differ substantially, I think Socs has a point regarding players' values, relative to the time.
Roy K**t cost around £3ish but at the time it was a record transfer.
On the day we beat them 5-1, they were the most expensively assembled group of players (I refuse to call them team).

The present complaint of some of the old elite, that we and our like have pushed the cost of players up is abject nonsense. The rags and their like did it for years before us.

I'm not just talking about transfer fees, am talking about total expenditure as a club which includes wages, player development, academies, everything. Our expenditure is now at the top level but we don't have the decade of prior spending on players that United and Chelsea have so should only be expecting to compete with those clubs not be powering head of them.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Burt,
Whilst the actual figures may differ substantially, I think Socs has a point regarding players' values, relative to the time.
Roy K**t cost around £3ish but at the time it was a record transfer.
On the day we beat them 5-1, they were the most expensively assembled group of players (I refuse to call them team).

The present complaint of some of the old elite, that we and our like have pushed the cost of players up is abject nonsense. The rags and their like did it for years before us.

I'm not just talking about transfer fees, am talking about total expenditure as a club which includes wages, player development, academies, everything. Our expenditure is now at the top level but we don't have the decade of prior spending on players that United and Chelsea have so should only be expecting to compete with those clubs not be powering head of them.

Hallelujah, someone that looks at the bigger picture when it comes to finances.

Have you got definitive figures for this?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

If Moyes does not improve we might see Bobby at the swamp.

Considering how they boasted about their patience paying off during taggart's early failures, it will be very interesting to see how much patience they now have for Gollum.

Take Shrek and Van penis from their squad and there's nothing of note left but pretty average players.

Shrek had a point when he said that the rags didn't meet his own expectations. Can't understand why he stayed.

As much as i loathe that cunt Rooney he still looks like the only rag that tries when they are up against it.I would not be averse to us signing him in Jan I honestly think he would help us win the league.Ok you can now abuse the fuck out of me for suggesting that if you want but it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

It's fine to say that.
It seems to be a sin on here to admit any 'Rag' is decent at football and to say one is makes you a Rag.
Funny thing is, if you go on there forums they all say how they'd love to have Toure and Aguero and Kompany etc in their squad. Yet they don't get labelled as 'city fans/bitters/whatever they call us'

Whatever your opinion on Shrek as a person he's a brilliant footballer and really can lift a team. Yes he has shit spells and has never really done it for England but when he's at his best there are few better in the world.

I don't know if I could stomach seeing him in a blue shirt as I dislike him as a person, but in terms of ability he'd easily get in to our team.

[Ted Hughes]

If Moyes does not improve we might see Bobby at the swamp.

Considering how they boasted about their patience paying off during taggart's early failures, it will be very interesting to see how much patience they now have for Gollum.

Take Shrek and Van penis from their squad and there's nothing of note left but pretty average players.

Shrek had a point when he said that the rags didn't meet his own expectations. Can't understand why he stayed.

As much as i loathe that cunt Rooney he still looks like the only rag that tries when they are up against it.I would not be averse to us signing him in Jan I honestly think he would help us win the league.Ok you can now abuse the fuck out of me for suggesting that if you want but it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

It's fine to say that.
It seems to be a sin on here to admit any 'Rag' is decent at football and to say one is makes you a Rag.
Funny thing is, if you go on there forums they all say how they'd love to have Toure and Aguero and Kompany etc in their squad. Yet they don't get labelled as 'city fans/bitters/whatever they call us'

Whatever your opinion on Shrek as a person he's a brilliant footballer and really can lift a team. Yes he has shit spells and has never really done it for England but when he's at his best there are few better in the world.

I don't know if I could stomach seeing him in a blue shirt as I dislike him as a person, but in terms of ability he'd easily get in to our team.

I said at the start of the season that if Rooney left, Utd would be fucked but the team that signed him would be a problem for us.

I would never want to see the cunt playing for us though & I'm glad we didn't sign Van Persie, as he is another one (but purely a goalscorer & nowhere near as important a player as Rooney).

And I am one of the people who thinks we should have at least been within a couple of points of Utd last season. The whole league was utter shite & we were capable of winning every single game we played. The rags won by being completely average amongst a sea of underachieving shite.

This season it is MUCH tougher but we are still miles better than everyone else if we get our shit together.