Drop Hart? (NEW POLL AFTER CHELSEA FARCE))

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Herb and MJ, you're both deluded if you think Joe cost us that Villa game.

FiBJ,

Well I didn't think I'd mentioned the villa game in this thread but now that you bring it up I can say without fear of logical contradiction that he was shite in the villa game from my perspective.
What I saw was that we had lots of action in the villa area and several shots on their goal but their keeper commanded his box, controlled his defence and kept us at bay in the main . . . they had 3 shots on target and Joe (or 'doh!' as we call him) let 3 in . . yeah, we're deluded and he didn't do that and we took the 3 points . . hurrah for doh! Hart.

PS. Still like the way you stick up for him in the face of all reason . . very British - a bit like extolling the charge of the light brigade as a great moment in our history (when it was an unmitigated disaster - though you may see it as a great victory).

Now you're just being a smart arse prick and there's absolutely no need for it.

The reason I stick up for him is because I know how fantastic a keeper he is when he's on form. I also don't have much faith in Pantillimon because I have yet to see him truly tested.

[Blue Since 76]

Colleague watched the game on Al Jazeera in the pub last night and mentioned that Platt was in the studio and was asked about their views on Hart last season. He said something about him costing us points as he wasn't making enough saves, which seems to back up the previous quotes he then denied. So it would appear it's not just us who think he's struggling.

[PeterParker]

Joe Hart must be taken out of the first eleven.

Imagine what Pants feels when he can”t play, even Joe has been shite so many times i forgot how to count. This isn”t normal. Look at the rags, De Gay was substituted many times by Lindergard and finally he became a top player. For Joe to grow he must sit his arse on the bench and realize that he needs to get his shit together, he has done absolutely nothing so far.

Beside that, i hate the fucker, but i would go after Casillas. Bring Casillas in and then you will see how will Joe become the Joe we all know.

[Sideshow Bob]

i am at a fucking loss to explain how any of you can even attempt to defend him at this point. it's more absurd than paulus (or his new alias, which escapes me) defending dzonkey's ineptitude!! at least dzonkey scores goals on occasion...what the fuck does hart bring to the table???

It's cit.revenge although it looks as though BiB has told him to pull his head in because he's nowhere near as annoying now.

ah right. cit.revenge (what does that mean, exactly?), please don't ever leave us!!

[Breks]

Drop him way too many mistakes too many times. Theres quite a few better goalies in the Premier league than him. We should have bought Mignolet in the summer.

[Hazy2]

We need a keeper who can do his bit when called upon, Cardiff away and Villa were mistakes Last night he had one. It happens put the whole thing together and Panti must be thinking ok now or never if it is Hart Saturday fair play to the manager that is backing the man, however Panti may as well ask us to rip up the extension to sign for another club.

[Herb]

Now you're just being a smart arse prick and there's absolutely no need for it.

The reason I stick up for him is because I know how fantastic a keeper he is when he's on form. I also don't have much faith in Pantillimon because I have yet to see him truly tested.[/quote]

FiJB,

Look, I know you're upset mate. I'm being completely honest when I state that I was a huge fan of Joe's until he started to lose it and I held onto the notion of him being brilliant until well after the sell by date myself. I can even appreciate the emotional imperative to call me a smart arse prick because I'm not saying what you want me to say but that doesn't change the facts and the facts are that he couldn't catch a cold at the moment.
I also agree that Joe is a fantastic keeper when on form but his being on form has become as rare as chickens teeth. And, as far as you not having much faith in Pantillimon because you've yet to see him truly tested, you must surely have noted that Joe doesn't even need to be truly tested for him to flap about and let the ball roll in?
Could Costel be worse than that?
On his showing in his games in the FAC last year (which we would've won but for doh! being in net in the final) = No.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Now you're just being a smart arse prick and there's absolutely no need for it.

The reason I stick up for him is because I know how fantastic a keeper he is when he's on form. I also don't have much faith in Pantillimon because I have yet to see him truly tested.

FiJB,

Look, I know you're upset mate. I'm being completely honest when I state that I was a huge fan of Joe's until he started to lose it and I held onto the notion of him being brilliant until well after the sell by date myself. I can even appreciate the emotional imperative to call me a smart arse prick because I'm not saying what you want me to say but that doesn't change the facts and the facts are that he couldn't catch a cold at the moment.
I also agree that Joe is a fantastic keeper when on form but his being on form has become as rare as chickens teeth. And, as far as you not having much faith in Pantillimon because you've yet to see him truly tested, you must surely have noted that Joe doesn't even need to be truly tested for him to flap about and let the ball roll in?
Could Costel be worse than that?
On his showing in his games in the FAC last year (which we would've won but for doh! being in net in the final) = No.[/quote]

I didn't say you were a smart arse prick for any other reason than you're being a smart arse prick.

If you read what I have said in this thread you will notice I criticised him for times I believe he deserved criticism. I have also praised him when I believed he deserved it, for example against Hull when he charged out and forced Aluko into missing, I guess by your logic that would mean Joe won us three points?

I defend him when in my opinion people are being over critical, which I believe has become the norm for some, it seems any goal he concede is his fault and if we don't win the game it was Joe that lost us the points. Perhaps these people are doing that to attempt to justify their stance on why he should be dropped?

I have also conceded that perhaps spending some time on the bench may be to his benefit but like I said I'm not convinced by Panty.

[Herb]

FiJB, Like I said fella, I'm not having a pop at you. If it's the case that me speaking my piece and saying that Joe has become a liability makes me a smart arse prick then I'l wear the badge with pride. Might even make it my user name if it means that he with the lovely locks gets to sit down and watch how it's done on Saturday. :-)

[leewonpen]

Hart is a top keeper, but has been average for roughly a season. Hart is short of form and low on confidence. I believe that he's hoping to play through this dip because he believes it shows strength of character. This isn't working. We need to take him out of the team for a good few games and he can concentrate on his own game
One thing that I cant believe the coaches haven't worked on is Hart catching crosses.These stupid punches don't instill confidence and make him look like he's panicking.
Hart will come good.form is temporary, class is permanent

[Breks]

Hart is a top keeper, but has been average for roughly a season. Hart is short of form and low on confidence. I believe that he's hoping to play through this dip because he believes it shows strength of character. This isn't working. We need to take him out of the team for a good few games and he can concentrate on his own game
One thing that I cant believe the coaches haven't worked on is Hart catching crosses.These stupid punches don't instill confidence and make him look like he's panicking.
Hart will come good.form is temporary, class is permanent

Is he class though?

[MilnersJaw]

Is he class though?

No he is not and had been found out. I'm beginning to question if he was even 'class' in the title winning season and it was our top defence and great possession masked his incompetence.

[Breks]

No he is not and had been found out. I'm beginning to question if he was even 'class' in the title winning season and it was our top defence and great possession masked his incompetence.

I'm with you on that one bro

[aaron bond]

I think it's time to give Pantilimon a run in the team. Hart's form has been shaky for quite a while now, and there doesn't seem to be any improvement.

Just because we're dropping him doesn't mean we're completely writing him off, but I think it's good to demonstrate we have genuine competition for the GK spot - just as we do for every other position on the pitch. It will give Hart the opportunity to work on his current weak areas and get himself back into a position to be a top class keeper again.

We can even look at De Gea's start across the road - he was interchanged with Lindegaard regularly when he first moved to the Premier League, and it helped him to get up to a very good level.

Hart's raw talent is there, but his form isn't at the moment. Pantilimon has generally always played well when starting for us, and so deserves a shot considering how Hart is playing at the moment.

[Blue Since 76]

One thing that I cant believe the coaches haven't worked on is Hart catching crosses.These stupid punches don't instill confidence and make him look like he's panicking.

The previous coach was Italian. European keepers have had more of a tendency to punch than British ones and the timing of it seems to stem from that.

No idea what the current coach thinks, be hopefully he'll encourage him to catch more. As I said earlier, if not Eric Steele is available who made Hart the keeper we rated as a kid and has done a decent job with de Gea.

[Beefymcfc]

Give him until Xmas to adopt with the tactics and team mates then give it a call.

We may only have the FA Cup to play for by then!

You honestly think all our problems are down to Joe?

Luckily I've calmed down now and can see the game for what it really was. As lots of said we were against a top team and top manager, how the hell could we win? The manner of their domination was only to be expected and Little City never stood a chance.

It all becomes clear, it's the 1.5 mil signing from Shrewsbury who's at fault, nothing more. He's just not deeeeceeeent.

[Big H]

Give him until Xmas to adopt with the tactics and team mates then give it a call.

We may only have the FA Cup to play for by then!

You honestly think all our problems are down to Joe?

Luckily I've calmed down now and can see the game for what it really was. As lots of said we were against a top team and top manager, how the hell could we win? The manner of their domination was only to be expected and Little City never stood a chance.

It all becomes clear, it's the 1.5 mil signing from Shrewsbury who's at fault, nothing more. He's just not deeeeceeeent.

No I don't think all problems are down to the goalkeeper. At the moment, the list of problems is ever growing. Mainly from the manager's team selections and tactics.
The topic is "Drop Hart?" and I was responding to you wanting to give him until Christmas.I think Hart needs a kick up the backside - something a seat on the bench may provide.
We can't afford too many losses between now and then or we will have only the FA Cup to contend.

[carolina-blue]

Give him until Xmas to adopt with the tactics and team mates then give it a call.

We may only have the FA Cup to play for by then!

You honestly think all our problems are down to Joe?

Luckily I've calmed down now and can see the game for what it really was. As lots of said we were against a top team and top manager, how the hell could we win? The manner of their domination was only to be expected and Little City never stood a chance.

It all becomes clear, it's the 1.5 mil signing from Shrewsbury who's at fault, nothing more. He's just not deeeeceeeent.

No I don't think all problems are down to the goalkeeper. At the moment, the list of problems is ever growing. Mainly from the manager's team selections and tactics.
The topic is "Drop Hart?" and I was responding to you wanting to give him until Christmas.I think Hart needs a kick up the backside - something a seat on the bench may provide.

I agree Its not all down to Hart no way , But we all say this player should be dropped or that player should be dropped for one reason or another Hart should not be exempt from that, we have a quality keeper in reserve use him .

[Beefymcfc]

Give him until Xmas to adopt with the tactics and team mates then give it a call.

We may only have the FA Cup to play for by then!

You honestly think all our problems are down to Joe?

Luckily I've calmed down now and can see the game for what it really was. As lots of said we were against a top team and top manager, how the hell could we win? The manner of their domination was only to be expected and Little City never stood a chance.

It all becomes clear, it's the 1.5 mil signing from Shrewsbury who's at fault, nothing more. He's just not deeeeceeeent.

No I don't think all problems are down to the goalkeeper. At the moment, the list of problems is ever growing. Mainly from the manager's team selections and tactics.
The topic is "Drop Hart?" and I was responding to you wanting to give him until Christmas.I think Hart needs a kick up the backside - something a seat on the bench may provide.
We can't afford too many losses between now and then or we will have only the FA Cup to contend.

Sorry mate, it was that you didn't respond to my post but to 1 line. If you want him dropped then fair enough but the amount of tmes where we are left open dictates that the keeper is going to be under pressure.

Wasn't Pellers premis that he would always attack?

[Big H]

quote]Wasn't Pellers premis that he would always attack?[/quote]

That didn't work out too well last night did it? :-( ...........we hardly got in their half.........come to think of it, we hardly had the fookin ball!! - until the substitutions on the 70th minute