Mark Clattenburg

[john@staustell]

Dont forget their last goal. City player let in run out for a City throw after a Bolton header, then suddenly it was given the other way, and they scored from it.

All officials decided they were going to stop City today. There must be some response we can take to the PL?

[King Kev]

the rags recently appealed a yellow for one of their twins that was booked by mistake and it was overturned and given to the other twin. So they must be able to be appealed against.

I think you can only appeal against a booking if it's a case of mistaken identity.

So, we should appeal as the Ref obviously booked Bellamy when he should have booked Robinson.

[blootoof]

Off Bluemoon

At half time, Steve Wigley (Bolton Coach, EX-City) overheard the officials having a conversation in the tunnel just before the second half.

The referee and one of the linesman, not sure which one stood there and one said "what dya think of that" and another said "I told you, i said didn't i, i booked him last season, he's a right bastard", another replied "who's this, Wright Phillips?" and the referee said "No, fucking Bellamy".

The 4th official then said "Tevez is bloody brilliant though, it's a decent game" and a linesman said "yeah he's quality that lad, but where's that other argentinian bloke u we're on about?" and the ref then said "The fuckers on the bench, keep an eye out"

At this point hughes walked past and shook his head, but didn't say anything to them.

[mcfc1632]

Vehro - think you have that wrong mate.

The player is clearly offside (in fact way offside) at the time the Bolton player kicks the ball - that is the important thing - in fact I think the only thing that matters - it can take 20 deflections after he kicks it - they are irrelevant I think

[carl_feedthegoat]

Vehro - think you have that wrong mate.

The player is clearly offside (in fact way offside) at the time the Bolton player kicks the ball - that is the important thing - in fact I think the only thing that matters - it can take 20 deflections after he kicks it - they are irrelevant I think

CORRECT - HE WAS OFFSIDE AS IT LEFT HIS BOOT.

[Citeh&Crew]

Well I'm sorry you two , perhaps you should let somebody take you out when running at full pelt. See how you go to the ground.
He certainly did not dive. In fact he stood up immediately the bad tackle.

Bingo.. and this is exactly why I do not think he went for a dive. He got up immediately. If he had rolled around on the ground, or even just stayed down for a few seconds, I would have questioned it.

I'd also like to echo what has been said by others.. has anyone here ever played a game of football? I mean really.. some of you act like you've never played, and can't even imagine what it might be like to have someone clip you from behind when you're running full-sprint.. never mind full sprint while dribbling a ball! Here is a clue.. (pssst...) it's MUCH HARDER to maintain balance, uinders such conditions!

[Blackadder2]

Clattenburg has deffo dropped a bollock or two with yesterday's performance. He's another of these self-important egotistical career refs fast-tracked through by the FA who has no idea of what it is like to play the game. The alleged overheard comments say a lot about his character. Tosser. He deserves to be dropped immediately from the pro-list and sent back to non-league officiating.

Bellamy did not dive, I was 30 yards away 2 seats from the pitch with a clear view. He was fouled, definate contact even if not necessarily intentional from the defender.

If there is any defence for Clattenburg it is that Bellamy is one of those players who can really get on referee's tits with his moaning and bellyaching. We have the odd one in sunday league here and even the better refs take great pleasure in taking an opportunity to send the mard-arses off.

In hindsight I wish we had started with Robinho or Petrov in place of Bellamy yesterday, some days that lad is just a liability.

One more point. In the second half the Bolton fans near me were goading our Craig with some choice comments. He chose to stand there and try to answer back - whilst behind him the ball was in play and we were on the attack. I was not impressed with that at all. On his day, fantastic, but yesterday his head wasn't on it.

[Bluez]

I just keep wondering when will it change. Its always said these things even out over a season so when you consdier some of teh descisions we have had against us this season we should be laughing in teh second half. I know we keep drawing against teams we should be winning against but almost every game there has been a game changing decision which was blatently wrong. Dodgy penaltes against us, goals which were blatantly offside etc. Isn't there somewhere the league table where poepl go over the major incidents and correct the decisions to see what the final score mght have been? I would be interested to see that

[zuricity]

Clattenburg has deffo dropped a bollock or two with yesterday's performance. He's another of these self-important egotistical career refs fast-tracked through by the FA who has no idea of what it is like to play the game. The alleged overheard comments say a lot about his character. Tosser. He deserves to be dropped immediately from the pro-list and sent back to non-league officiating.

Bellamy did not dive, I was 30 yards away 2 seats from the pitch with a clear view. He was fouled, definate contact even if not necessarily intentional from the defender.

If there is any defence for Clattenburg it is that Bellamy is one of those players who can really get on referee's tits with his moaning and bellyaching. We have the odd one in sunday league here and even the better refs take great pleasure in taking an opportunity to send the mard-arses off.

In hindsight I wish we had started with Robinho

or Petrov in place of Bellamy yesterday, some days that lad is just a liability.

One more point. In the second half the Bolton fans near me were goading our Craig with some choice comments. He chose to stand there and try to answer back - whilst behind him the ball was in play and we were on the attack. I was not impressed with that at all. On his day, fantastic, but yesterday his head wasn't on it.

This is my biggest beef with Hughes and it really pissed me off. We play Robinho against Chelsea, he takes two or three defenders away from the game and still manages to perform for us.

We drop him to the bench and the Bolton players breathe a sigh of relief and actually have the balls to take the game to us.

Sure, we are not a one man team but why do we have to punish ourselves ? Talk about w*nk decisions. That really pissed me off yesterday, and before the game started.

However it still doesn't excuse Clattenberg for being a prize Git ( for want of a better word).

[blueyorkie]

1) Klasnic's first was clearly offside.
2) Cohen's committed two cynical fouls (plus many others) and only received the one yellow.
3) Bellamy's first yellow was a great mystery.
4) The defender made no contact with the ball whatsoever - and only with the player - as Bellamy was sent.

One out of four might be understandable. Two out of four even. Four out of four though and all sense of diplomacy should be thrown out the window - he was fucking awful and shouldn't be given another Premiership fixture for a very long time now.

5) we wern't good enough to beat a relegation threatened team, and not for the first time.

6) Not forgetting the third goal was from a hrow in incorrectly awarded AND a foul throw to boot. In truth a 3-1 win was fair enough!Beating Bolton was no problem beating a bent Ref was just too much!

[marvin]

The worst referee since Graham Poll!

Their off-side goal, the fact that Cohen comitted about 6 fouls before being booked, booking Bellamy for a dive when the Bolton player obviously made no contact with the ball, sending Bellamy off.

He should be demoted, again!

The goal wasn't offside it was spot on Sylvino deflected it mate. I know we try to stick up for our own players and I agree the ref seemed pretty fucking bent today especially sending Bellamy off but the deflection played the ball onside.

Still offside regardless of whether it was deflected. When the Bolton player crossed the ball (before Sylvinho touched it) the goalscorer was offside. That's how I always understood the rule anyway. if a City player had played the ball first say a backpass, then that would be different

[King Kev]

Chris Kamara says it was off-side so it was off-side as far as I'm concerned.

[ronk]

If there is any defence for Clattenburg it is that Bellamy is one of those players who can really get on referee's tits with his moaning and bellyaching. We have the odd one in sunday league here and even the better refs take great pleasure in taking an opportunity to send the mard-arses off.

That's not a defence of Clattenburg, it's an indictment of his integrity and professionalism. It's also probably what happened, Clattenburg doesn't like Bellamy (and was allegedly overheard saying exactly that). He was looking for an excuse to send him off.

If Clattenburg wants to act like a Sunday League ref he should be refereeing in the Sunday League, at best. If you can't be impartial then you can't be allowed to effect the outcome of a professional sport.

That first yellow is almost unprecedented in that I haven't heard from a single source that actually recalls seeing that yellow card at the time. We have no idea what Bellamy was supposed to have said, he could have said anything.


Some of the other comments here are bizarre. Bellamy did not take a step after contact, nor would it matter. His right leg was taken away from him and he was down immediately without ever planting his right foot on the ground or having an opportunity to do so. He made no movement into the defender, stuck a leg out or ever sought contact. He did not initiate the contact or simulate a foul.

I'm disinclined to believe that this was an honest mistake.

[Blackadder2]

I am also disinclined to believe that the second yellow was an honest mistake by Clattenburg. He had basically had enough of Bellamy's moaning and was looking for an excuse. Proving that is another matter though.

Bellers made a rod for his own back, I'm amazed that he and players like him after being in the game for so long have failed to grasp that moaning at a ref, however much of a tosser he might be, is counter-productive.

Saying that, Clattenburg still deserves sacking, and no, I wouldn't appoint him in our sunday league.

[Kiss_The_Goat]

I am also disinclined to believe that the second yellow was an honest mistake by Clattenburg. He had basically had enough of Bellamy's moaning and was looking for an excuse. Proving that is another matter though.

Bellers made a rod for his own back, I'm amazed that he and players like him after being in the game for so long have failed to grasp that moaning at a ref, however much of a tosser he might be, is counter-productive.

Saying that, Clattenburg still deserves sacking, and no, I wouldn't appoint him in our sunday league.

Dont agree at all. There is nothing wrong with letting a ref know that you think a decision was wrong or that his performance is below standard. Its part of the game. These are professional athletes. Winners. Its raw passion and I love seeing it from Bellers! It shows he gives a shit and that he wants to win!
I dont care what the protocol is for appeal against a double yellow sending off. I think City should report Clattenburg's, conduct and performance to the FA for inquiry, which should involve looking into why and for what reason Bellamy was sent off. I think after what was overheard being said in the tunnel, together with the bizarre decisions on the pitch and laughable and mysterious 2 yellow cards that led to the sending off, City have a pretty strong case here for bias and misconduct here.

[Tokyo Blue]

I dont care what the protocol is for appeal against a double yellow sending off. I think City should report Clattenburg's, conduct and performance to the FA for inquiry, which should involve looking into why and for what reason Bellamy was sent off. I think after what was overheard being said in the tunnel, together with the bizarre decisions on the pitch and laughable and mysterious 2 yellow cards that led to the sending off, City have a pretty strong case here for bias and misconduct here.

I don't know about that. If you complain about a ref, the rest of them stick together like shit to a blanket and you end up getting nothing off any of the fuckers. Mind you, we are already getting shafted regularly by the officials so perhaps we have got nothing left to lose.

It should not require a complaint for the FA to so something about referees who make wrong decisions.

[Wonderwall]

I am also disinclined to believe that the second yellow was an honest mistake by Clattenburg. He had basically had enough of Bellamy's moaning and was looking for an excuse. Proving that is another matter though.

Bellers made a rod for his own back, I'm amazed that he and players like him after being in the game for so long have failed to grasp that moaning at a ref, however much of a tosser he might be, is counter-productive.

Saying that, Clattenburg still deserves sacking, and no, I wouldn't appoint him in our sunday league.

I totally agree, bellers is a moaning whining baby at times and doesnt know when to shut up. He should know when to draw the line by now, I could understand one of the younger guys overstepping the mark, but he is a senior pro.

Having said that, John terry and most chelsea players, Rooney, ferdinand, neville et al, are just as bad if not worse and they seem to get away with it week after week. It will be interesting to see if Mr Clattenburg continues with his new strict no moaning policy..... I seriously doubt it.

I dont think you will see clattenburg at eastlands for a very very long time.

[john@staustell]

Bellers moaning at the ref and linesman is part of his game, getting himself wound up etc. Like Chelski and Scum do, it makes the linesmen etc think subconsciously they better get it right or they get a mouthful.

Where Bellers should know better is when a certain ref has it in for him. We used to get told - "this referee really clamps down on dissent, so no backchat" - and we shut the fuck up!

[Goataldo]

He should be executed along with the other 3 officials yesterday.

Hahahaha, I'm still laughing at that!

Reminds me of a Half-Man Half-Biscuit lyric; "If I were a linesman, I would execute defenders who applauded my offsides"!

[Lee_Kinda]

Pulled from Bluemoon, but interesting - I wonder if anything will happen now?

Sorry if it has already been done but i have emailed Keith Hackett (PGMOL) with regard to the second yellow card, and recieved the following reply!


David
I can inform you that after the game Mr C informed The FA that the second yellow was incorrect.
I am in Kiev at the moment and will respond to your email once I have had the opportunity to examine the Match Assessor and the Premier League Match Delegate and ProZone details
I can inform you that NO comment was made by this Referee at halftime
Regards from a very cold Kiev
Regards
Keith Hackett

He is very good at responding which is why i will not give out his email address!