Drop Hart? (NEW POLL AFTER CHELSEA FARCE))

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I can accept that it's beyond ludicrous to you but that's because your love for Joe Hart is such that you simply can't accept that it could ever be possible that he fucks up. Joe Hart fucking up would be ludicrous to you and Joe Hart fucking up so often that he's the weak link will be beyond ludicrous. You're a good fella and I respect your position on this but please look at the poll and recognise that you hold a tiny little minority view. I hope Joe Hart can get back to being as loveable as you still find him but in the meantime, the jury says you're wrong fella.

Herb, can you do me a favour mate and stop acting like such a dickhead? I don't find Joe lovable, I don't think he's beyond criticism, I know his form has dipped, I know he's made errors but solely blaming a keeper when the team has been played off the park is ludicrous. I have said that maybe dropping him could be the best thing to do but personally I feel we should stick with him as from looking at past situations where English keepers have lost the faith of their manager and supporters it seems to have fucked up their careers, I would hate for that to happen to Hart as he is City's goalkeeper, OUR goalkeeper and needs our support when he's going through a lull. Funny, it seems Pellegrini and Hodgson who have years of experience of dealing with this sort of situation seem to agree with me, don't you think? Maybe they find Joe lovable too, eh?

[MilnersJaw]

In the minority is one thing but in the eyes of the City and England manager, he's still number 1.

It's only the mindless and non-footballing people who'd think it was a good idea to drop Hart because of a few fuck ups, even the best do it now and then.

Ah so anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is a non footballing person or is mindless? Why haven't people been screaming him to be dropped over the last 18 months? We recognise his form has dropped for while and a lot of people have had enough.

[Beefymcfc]

In the minority is one thing but in the eyes of the City and England manager, he's still number 1.

It's only the mindless and non-footballing people who'd think it was a good idea to drop Hart because of a few fuck ups, even the best do it now and then.

Ah so anyone who doesn't agree with your opinion is a non footballing person or is mindless? Why haven't people been screaming him to be dropped over the last 18 months? We recognise his form has dropped for while and a lot of people have had enough.

Of course.

[MilnersJaw]

Of course.

Classic bollocks. No argument so response with low wit sarcastic comment.

[MilnersJaw]

Classic bollocks. No argument so respond with low wit sarcastic comment.

[Beefymcfc]

Classic bollocks. No argument so respond with low wit sarcastic comment.

Sorry mate, just joking. The thing with keepers is that you can't just swap and change. Joe is now getting used to a new system and it's not just about his goal saving efforts, it incoporates every aspect from marshalling the defence and controlling the box. Panti is a good back-up but I wouldn't want him there just for a few games to give Joe a rest, I'd much prefer we carry on playing him until his form returns.

[City64]

Joe Hart,s form has been a concern for while stemming back to last season , how many fuck ups does he have to make ??? He is high profile and quite rightly England,s number one even though obviuosly lacking in confidence ....... so what happens when he makes his next fuck up and possibly 3 points lost for MCFC ????

Lets all hope he comes through this alarming dip in form very quickly ....... any other outfield player would have been dropped for sure , how many chances does a high profile player get ???? Panti must be proper pissed off ?!?!

[Herb]

Herb, can you do me a favour mate and stop acting like such a dickhead? I don't find Joe lovable, I don't think he's beyond criticism, I know his form has dipped, I know he's made errors but solely blaming a keeper when the team has been played off the park is ludicrous. I have said that maybe dropping him could be the best thing to do but personally I feel we should stick with him as from looking at past situations where English keepers have lost the faith of their manager and supporters it seems to have fucked up their careers, I would hate for that to happen to Hart as he is City's goalkeeper, OUR goalkeeper and needs our support when he's going through a lull. Funny, it seems Pellegrini and Hodgson who have years of experience of dealing with this sort of situation seem to agree with me, don't you think? Maybe they find Joe lovable too, eh?

FiBJ,
Look mate, I've not lowered myself to name calling because I think the subject matter demands more of fellow City fans than petty abuse. You call me a dickhead for expressing an honest opinion and I'm not mad at you at all because I know you've got a lot of man love going on when it comes to Joe Hart.
Let's just agree to differ on this eh? I'll stick with the vasty majority who have seen Joe go downhill from hero to liability and you stick with the minority who can still see him being the great stopper he was 2 seasons ago.
I'd like to see him benched until he's got his concentration up and is playing at a decent level and you want him in net regardless of how bloody awful he is - but we both support the same side so there's no point in falling out over it is there?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Herb, can you do me a favour mate and stop acting like such a dickhead? I don't find Joe lovable, I don't think he's beyond criticism, I know his form has dipped, I know he's made errors but solely blaming a keeper when the team has been played off the park is ludicrous. I have said that maybe dropping him could be the best thing to do but personally I feel we should stick with him as from looking at past situations where English keepers have lost the faith of their manager and supporters it seems to have fucked up their careers, I would hate for that to happen to Hart as he is City's goalkeeper, OUR goalkeeper and needs our support when he's going through a lull. Funny, it seems Pellegrini and Hodgson who have years of experience of dealing with this sort of situation seem to agree with me, don't you think? Maybe they find Joe lovable too, eh?

FiBJ,
Look mate, I've not lowered myself to name calling because I think the subject matter demands more of fellow City fans than petty abuse. You call me a dickhead for expressing an honest opinion and I'm not mad at you at all because I know you've got a lot of man love going on when it comes to Joe Hart.
Let's just agree to differ on this eh? I'll stick with the vasty majority who have seen Joe go downhill from hero to liability and you stick with the minority who can still see him being the great stopper he was 2 seasons ago.
I'd like to see him benched until he's got his concentration up and is playing at a decent level and you want him in net regardless of how bloody awful he is - but we both support the same side so there's no point in falling out over it is there?

There you go again with that condescending tone. I didn't call you a dickhead, I asked you to stop acting like one, I ask this because of that condescending tone you're using when replying to me.

[MilnersJaw]

Sorry mate, just joking. The thing with keepers is that you can't just swap and change. Joe is now getting used to a new system and it's not just about his goal saving efforts, it incoporates every aspect from marshalling the defence and controlling the box. Panti is a good back-up but I wouldn't want him there just for a few games to give Joe a rest, I'd much prefer we carry on playing him until his form returns.

I'm sorry too mate let's hug. Nah obviously I over reacted.

[Beefymcfc]

Sorry mate, just joking. The thing with keepers is that you can't just swap and change. Joe is now getting used to a new system and it's not just about his goal saving efforts, it incoporates every aspect from marshalling the defence and controlling the box. Panti is a good back-up but I wouldn't want him there just for a few games to give Joe a rest, I'd much prefer we carry on playing him until his form returns.

I'm sorry too mate let's hug. Nah obviously I over reacted.

Just to finish mate, we are building a team that needs a heart (no pun) of players that have City at their core. Hart is one of those players and by dropping him it also takes away from what we are trying to achieve. Joe's made mistakes and I think we all see that but at the same time I think we are sometimes over critical with our own, just as we've been with many other players when they aren't in the best of form (Kolarov, Nasri, Milner to name a few).

The likes of Hart are our future and a thing that we all have an affection to. If we lose sight of him and the likes of Micah then we lose something from our club. We know he's got what it takes and if he doesn't get used to the new system then yes, give him a spot on the bench, but unless we give him time then we'll never know if he can get back to the form he once showed. We didn't lose games just because of Joe, it was a team thing.

Just my take mate.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Sorry mate, just joking. The thing with keepers is that you can't just swap and change. Joe is now getting used to a new system and it's not just about his goal saving efforts, it incoporates every aspect from marshalling the defence and controlling the box. Panti is a good back-up but I wouldn't want him there just for a few games to give Joe a rest, I'd much prefer we carry on playing him until his form returns.

I'm sorry too mate let's hug. Nah obviously I over reacted.

Just to finish mate, we are building a team that needs a heart (no pun) of players that have City at their core. Hart is one of those players and by dropping him it also takes away from what we are trying to achieve. Joe's made mistakes and I think we all see that but at the same time I think we are sometimes over critical with our own, just as we've been with many other players when they aren't in the best of form (Kolarov, Nasri, Milner to name a few).

The likes of Hart are our future and a thing that we all have an affection to. If we lose sight of him and the likes of Micah then we lose something from our club. We know he's got what it takes and if he doesn't get used to the new system then yes, give him a spot on the bench, but unless we give him time then we'll never know if he can get back to the form he once showed. We didn't lose games just because of Joe, it was a team thing.

Just my take mate.

Get used to a new system ??? What utter bollocks mate, hes supposedly a top fuckign goalkeeper but hes let in goals that a top keeper wouldnt have let in..over the last 18 months , how much more time do you want to give him???...christ on a fuckign bike!! I can understand the Hart supporters getting behind him but to try and justify a new system as a contributing factor to his inept performces over the last 18 MONTHS is really grasping at straws.

The sooner we buy a top keeper the better for City as right now hes average and has cost us points...too many points imo.

Ill bet you a pound to a penny we buy a top keeper in January.....if Hart hasnt sorted out his average performances by them we will be out of contention on all fronts unless the forwards smash the goals in to compensate for shitty goals we are conceding and continue to let in.

[Herb]

There you go again with that condescending tone. I didn't call you a dickhead, I asked you to stop acting like one, I ask this because of that condescending tone you're using when replying to me.

Condescending?? Sorry FiBJ, I had you down as being a decent blue with a slightly quirky man-love thing going on for Joe Hart but I must say that you're getting a bit weird in a more general sense now that you're defending your use of the term dickhead towards me and what with your very condescending accusations that I'm condescending.

I've asked politely that you should accept that we have different opinions and move on with your life but you're like a stuck record - I can only hope that you're manning a lighthouse somewhere and that your telly's broke so that you're bored rigid to the degree that you're acting uncompromisingly out of character and have taken to being ridiculously obsessive on an otherwise lighthearted forum to get you through to the end of your 3 month shift . . . which will end very soon . . . I hope .

[Beefymcfc]

Sorry mate, just joking. The thing with keepers is that you can't just swap and change. Joe is now getting used to a new system and it's not just about his goal saving efforts, it incoporates every aspect from marshalling the defence and controlling the box. Panti is a good back-up but I wouldn't want him there just for a few games to give Joe a rest, I'd much prefer we carry on playing him until his form returns.

I'm sorry too mate let's hug. Nah obviously I over reacted.

Just to finish mate, we are building a team that needs a heart (no pun) of players that have City at their core. Hart is one of those players and by dropping him it also takes away from what we are trying to achieve. Joe's made mistakes and I think we all see that but at the same time I think we are sometimes over critical with our own, just as we've been with many other players when they aren't in the best of form (Kolarov, Nasri, Milner to name a few).

The likes of Hart are our future and a thing that we all have an affection to. If we lose sight of him and the likes of Micah then we lose something from our club. We know he's got what it takes and if he doesn't get used to the new system then yes, give him a spot on the bench, but unless we give him time then we'll never know if he can get back to the form he once showed. We didn't lose games just because of Joe, it was a team thing.

Just my take mate.

Get used to a new system ??? What utter bollocks mate, hes supposedly a top fuckign goalkeeper but hes let in goals that a top keeper wouldnt have let in..over the last 18 months , how much more time do you want to give him???...christ on a fuckign bike!! I can understand the Hart supporters getting behind him but to try and justify a new system as a contributing factor to his inept performces over the last 18 MONTHS is really grasping at straws.

The sooner we buy a top keeper the better for City as right now hes average and has cost us points...too many points imo.

Ill bet you a pound to a penny we buy a top keeper in January.....if Hart hasnt sorted out his average performances by them we will be out of contention on all fronts unless the forwards smash the goals in to compensate for shitty goals we are conceding and continue to let in.

I'll take that bet mate, just a tenner though, don't want to crash the casino. Is that a grand ;-)

If he's gone by Jan then he probably deserves it.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Sorry mate, just joking. The thing with keepers is that you can't just swap and change. Joe is now getting used to a new system and it's not just about his goal saving efforts, it incoporates every aspect from marshalling the defence and controlling the box. Panti is a good back-up but I wouldn't want him there just for a few games to give Joe a rest, I'd much prefer we carry on playing him until his form returns.

I'm sorry too mate let's hug. Nah obviously I over reacted.

Just to finish mate, we are building a team that needs a heart (no pun) of players that have City at their core. Hart is one of those players and by dropping him it also takes away from what we are trying to achieve. Joe's made mistakes and I think we all see that but at the same time I think we are sometimes over critical with our own, just as we've been with many other players when they aren't in the best of form (Kolarov, Nasri, Milner to name a few).

The likes of Hart are our future and a thing that we all have an affection to. If we lose sight of him and the likes of Micah then we lose something from our club. We know he's got what it takes and if he doesn't get used to the new system then yes, give him a spot on the bench, but unless we give him time then we'll never know if he can get back to the form he once showed. We didn't lose games just because of Joe, it was a team thing.

Just my take mate.

Get used to a new system ??? What utter bollocks mate, hes supposedly a top fuckign goalkeeper but hes let in goals that a top keeper wouldnt have let in..over the last 18 months , how much more time do you want to give him???...christ on a fuckign bike!! I can understand the Hart supporters getting behind him but to try and justify a new system as a contributing factor to his inept performces over the last 18 MONTHS is really grasping at straws.

The sooner we buy a top keeper the better for City as right now hes average and has cost us points...too many points imo.

Ill bet you a pound to a penny we buy a top keeper in January.....if Hart hasnt sorted out his average performances by them we will be out of contention on all fronts unless the forwards smash the goals in to compensate for shitty goals we are conceding and continue to let in.

I'll take that bet mate, just a tenner though, don't want to crash the casino. Is that a grand ;-)

If he's gone by Jan then he probably deserves it.

I never said he will be gone in january , I said we will buy another keeper.........Ill bet you what you like ;)

[Breks]

Victor Valdes will be available in January.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

There you go again with that condescending tone. I didn't call you a dickhead, I asked you to stop acting like one, I ask this because of that condescending tone you're using when replying to me.

Condescending?? Sorry FiBJ, I had you down as being a decent blue with a slightly quirky man-love thing going on for Joe Hart but I must say that you're getting a bit weird in a more general sense now that you're defending your use of the term dickhead towards me and what with your very condescending accusations that I'm condescending.

I've asked politely that you should accept that we have different opinions and move on with your life but you're like a stuck record - I can only hope that you're manning a lighthouse somewhere and that your telly's broke so that you're bored rigid to the degree that you're acting uncompromisingly out of character and have taken to being ridiculously obsessive on an otherwise lighthearted forum to get you through to the end of your 3 month shift . . . which will end very soon . . . I hope .

You just can't debate the issue at hand can you? You have to resort to the condescending man-love bullshit and now throwing in some crap about a lighthouse in an attempt to be funny, which also just comes across as condescending.

I had decided to leave this debate where you're concerned when you start talking about optical illusions earlier in the thread but you obviously wanted to keep it going by quoting me when I suggested it was ludicrous to blame a keeper for a defeat in which we were chasing shadows for 75 minutes, again you used that condescending tone in that particular post. I asked you to stop but you persisted.

If you want to debate the issue I will gladly do it but without the bullshit attached.

[Burt]

There you go again with that condescending tone. I didn't call you a dickhead, I asked you to stop acting like one, I ask this because of that condescending tone you're using when replying to me.

Condescending?? Sorry FiBJ, I had you down as being a decent blue with a slightly quirky man-love thing going on for Joe Hart but I must say that you're getting a bit weird in a more general sense now that you're defending your use of the term dickhead towards me and what with your very condescending accusations that I'm condescending.

I've asked politely that you should accept that we have different opinions and move on with your life but you're like a stuck record - I can only hope that you're manning a lighthouse somewhere and that your telly's broke so that you're bored rigid to the degree that you're acting uncompromisingly out of character and have taken to being ridiculously obsessive on an otherwise lighthearted forum to get you through to the end of your 3 month shift . . . which will end very soon . . . I hope .

You just can't debate the issue at hand can you? You have to resort to the condescending man-love bullshit and now throwing in some crap about a lighthouse in an attempt to be funny, which also just comes across as condescending.

I had decided to leave this debate where you're concerned when you start talking about optical illusions earlier in the thread but you obviously wanted to keep it going by quoting me when I suggested it was ludicrous to blame a keeper for a defeat in which we were chasing shadows for 75 minutes, again you used that condescending tone in that particular post. I asked you to stop but you persisted.

If you want to debate the issue I will gladly do it but without the bullshit attached.

Fuckin puff!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

There you go again with that condescending tone. I didn't call you a dickhead, I asked you to stop acting like one, I ask this because of that condescending tone you're using when replying to me.

Condescending?? Sorry FiBJ, I had you down as being a decent blue with a slightly quirky man-love thing going on for Joe Hart but I must say that you're getting a bit weird in a more general sense now that you're defending your use of the term dickhead towards me and what with your very condescending accusations that I'm condescending.

I've asked politely that you should accept that we have different opinions and move on with your life but you're like a stuck record - I can only hope that you're manning a lighthouse somewhere and that your telly's broke so that you're bored rigid to the degree that you're acting uncompromisingly out of character and have taken to being ridiculously obsessive on an otherwise lighthearted forum to get you through to the end of your 3 month shift . . . which will end very soon . . . I hope .

You just can't debate the issue at hand can you? You have to resort to the condescending man-love bullshit and now throwing in some crap about a lighthouse in an attempt to be funny, which also just comes across as condescending.

I had decided to leave this debate where you're concerned when you start talking about optical illusions earlier in the thread but you obviously wanted to keep it going by quoting me when I suggested it was ludicrous to blame a keeper for a defeat in which we were chasing shadows for 75 minutes, again you used that condescending tone in that particular post. I asked you to stop but you persisted.

If you want to debate the issue I will gladly do it but without the bullshit attached.

Fuckin puff!

Haha

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[johnny crossan]

let's have a new poll for who should play at Upton Park