20,000+ poles at wembley

[Herb]

You may or may not be right on that one Breks but Ross is right about the 'can't fill the stadium' issue. Were our TV screens full of shots of 9000 furious England supporters who had been denied tickets because their allocation had been sold to the Poles tonight? No. No because every England fan who wanted to go got a ticket, the Poles got a double allocation (+ a fair number amongst the England fans) and the place still isn't full. Most England fans are like me and you, they prefer to watch a midweek game on free-to-view TV and from the comfort of home than to traipse down to London to watch a disjointed England side either thrash a very poor Poland side in a shit game or, more embarrassingly, watch a disjointed England side let a shit Poland side fuck them about in a shit game . . .

That's because as far as the FA is concerned, England means London. If one of the games had been in Manchester, I'd have gone. I wouldn't go to Wembley of they were playing Spain or Brazil.

A very pertinent point. I couldn't agree more. All about maximising Wembley revenues and hence FAC semi's there - which is a rip off and a piss take. They treat football fans like cunts while they eat from the table of plenty and line their pockets.

[Wonderwall]

Dont forget the sport england debacle. Thats where you see empty seats

[Blue Since 76]

A very pertinent point. I couldn't agree more. All about maximising Wembley revenues and hence FAC semi's there - which is a rip off and a piss take. They treat football fans like cunts while they eat from the table of plenty and line their pockets.

Strange thing is the most passionate and loyal football fans are mainly in the north - Manchester, Liverpool, the north east etc. They could have kept England on tour around the country, playing to full houses and spent the £700m on youth development meaning we might actually stand a chance of winning a tournament rather than just having a new stadium and Wellbeck.

[coxy]

18000 Poles @ Wembley....there hasn`t been that many there since they finished building the place!!

[Spurge]

Did you expect him to say "purely for greed".

England have a membership card system. It would have been easy to issue to tickets to only England fans. Sure a few poles may have snuck in but hardly a security risk. There were plenty of Scots in the England end and there was hardly any trouble.

Those Scottish fans were a disgrace. The England fans were quiet when their dog shit anthem was playing, but when god save the queen came on which is also theirs btw, they were all booing.

Indeed especially as England fans have never disrespected another country's anthem ever...........oh hang on a minute

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

Great bunch of lads.

[MilnersJaw]

Indeed especially as England fans have never disrespected another country's anthem ever...........oh hang on a minute

They probably have but its 2013 and England fans are still known to be hooligans when they hardly cause any trouble compared to many other counties.

And we are talking about our fellow Brits here who actually have the same national anthem. The England fans were silent while the haggis was drowning in pints of bitter, sounds like you could do with a few pints to.

[Breks]

God save the queen is the anthem of the uk. It isn't Scotlands national anthem. The Uk is a multinational state and each country within it has it's own national anthem. At football matches England use God save the queen. In contrast at the commonwealth games England use land of hope and glory.

[MilnersJaw]

God save the queen is the anthem of the uk. It isn't Scotlands national anthem. The Uk is a multinational state and each country within it has it's own national anthem. At football matches England use God save the queen. In contrast at the commonwealth games England use land of hope and glory.

And Scotland is part of the uk therefore is it there national anthem as well. English is not a nationality and neither is Scottish. The other countries only got one to sound different at events such as football. Theirs might be the defacto anthem but it is not their official one. Regardless if it is theirs or not, it was quite clear their fans were full of bitter nationalist idiots.
The rich englander keeping the poor jocks down.

[Breks]

And Scotland is part of the uk therefore is it there national anthem as well. English is not a nationality and neither is Scottish. The other countries only got one to sound different at events such as football. Theirs might be the defacto anthem but it is not their official one. Regardless if it is theirs or not, it was quite clear their fans were full of bitter nationalist idiots.
The rich englander keeping the poor jocks down.

English is a nationality and so is scottish. The uk is not a nation but it is a political union of nations. The uk is a multinational state and not a country. Do some research and talking about this you know nothing about. And whats wrong with being a nationalist? Clearly your and idiot but not a nationalist.

[mr_nool]

And now I know how many Poles it takes to fill the Wem-ber-ly ...

It has a catchy ring to it.

[MilnersJaw]

English is a nationality and so is scottish. The uk is not a nation but it is a political union of nations. The uk is a multinational state and not a country. Do some research and talking about this you know nothing about. And whats wrong with being a nationalist? Clearly your and idiot but not a nationalist.

How is English a nationality? Can I own an English passport? Is England a sovereign state? The uk is a nation. If anyone were to ask me y nationality I'd answer with British because that's what it is, ethnically it would be English. Maybe you should read your last sentence before calling someone an idiot, pot kettle + bitter.

[Breks]

How is English a nationality? Can I own an English passport? Is England a sovereign state? The uk is a nation. If anyone were to ask me y nationality I'd answer with British because that's what it is, ethnically it would be English. Maybe you should read your last sentence before calling someone an idiot, pot kettle + bitter.

Whats a passport got to do with it? You can have 2 passports for 2 different states. It merely shows your a citizen of a paticular state. England is a country, fact! You call yourself what yout want. I am English, end of. The uk is a multination state. Do your homework. Your just talking utter shit!

[Spurge]

Indeed especially as England fans have never disrespected another country's anthem ever...........oh hang on a minute

They probably have but its 2013 and England fans are still known to be hooligans when they hardly cause any trouble compared to many other counties.

And we are talking about our fellow Brits here who actually have the same national anthem. The England fans were silent while the haggis was drowning in pints of bitter, sounds like you could do with a few pints to.

Disrespecting a national anthem is ignorant and insulting but doesn't make someone a hooligan, that's stretching it mate, suggest you climb off that high horse of yours.

Yeh don't mind a few beers, are you buying?

[MilnersJaw]

Disrespecting a national anthem is ignorant and insulting but doesn't make someone a hooligan, that's stretching it mate, suggest you climb off that high horse of yours.

Yeh don't mind a few beers, are you buying?

Pretty much done with this thread tbh but I'm not suggesting they are all hooligans but I don't see why you are making excuses for them with the classic " yeah but England fans are just as bad" well on the night they certainly were not.

[Beefymcfc]

I loved it. Fuck the rest of the jealous fucks, we've made it.

[Spurge]

Disrespecting a national anthem is ignorant and insulting but doesn't make someone a hooligan, that's stretching it mate, suggest you climb off that high horse of yours.

Yeh don't mind a few beers, are you buying?

Pretty much done with this thread tbh but I'm not suggesting they are all hooligans but I don't see why you are making excuses for them with the classic " yeah but England fans are just as bad" well on the night they certainly were not.

No reading it again you weren't suggesting they are hooligans more that they are labelled as hooligans -so apologies for that.

I'm not suggesting we did ruin their anthem, more a reminder that if we moan about others spoiling our anthem we shouldn't forget that we don't exactly have an unblemished record in this respect.

I was much more pleased we qualified than I ever though I'd be so not looking to put a downer on events.

[ross.mcfc]

I resent the accusation of being anti english put to me. Fair enough I enjoy an argument and quite enjoy pointing out things I know/believe not to be true. If that happens to be English football as often it is on an English football forum then I feel I have a right to make criticisms and not be met with levels of McCarthyism. My Dad and his whole family are English hence why I am a City fan. I had money on England to win on Weds and was pleased they won. Do I want them to win the WC? Not really. Would it ruin my day? Probably not. I've even paid money out of my own pocket once to go to an England game with a mate when I lived in London. You will never see me refer to anyone as a English c**t or use their ethnicity to insult them. Even when standing by my stance will I lower not myself to using derogatory terms similiar sweaty or jock. To behonest I cannot off the top of my head think of one.

My original comments were made to highlight a silly post regarding Polish nationals outside their home country. Then highlight how England have turned into the Fulham of international away days. Fill your boots. This can be backed up with stats and something that other posters have highlighted. That does not make me anti-English.

Really?

Lets get this right. Plenty of wangs follow England, and plenty of wangs follow Scotland.

Would not disagree with that. Let's behonest football attracts all sorts of morons. I have sat beside peope at City games I would cross the road to aviod.

Yes really, it is embarrassing how bitter they are. They all Celtic fans?

You will find more Rangers fans amonst Scotland fans than Celtic but like England the core of the hardcore suppourt come outwith the big teams.

Yes and we don't deep fry absolutely everything.

You should. You would be amazed how much better Pizza tastes.
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And we are talking about our fellow Brits here who actually have the same national anthem. The England fans were silent while the haggis was drowning in pints of bitter, sounds like you could do with a few pints to.

Let us put this one to bed shall we. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isP25Br-GEc - It could be argued what followed was petty retaliation. I find booing of any national anthem stupid and disrespectful but as pointed out above, England has previous in this http://espnfc.com/news/story?id=303936&cc=5739

English is a nationality and so is scottish.

No it is not. You can call yourself England or Nigerian if you like but your nationality is British. England is not a country, it does not even have its own government. You won't find the flag of St George flying outside the United Nation. If Scotland was already it's own country why are we having a referendum on it next year?

[Alioune DVToure]

The Scottish referendum is to resolve the question of statehood; Scotland's nationhood is not open to question. It is a country within a state, that state being the composite monarchy that is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Scotland is a nation without a state. It is a polity with a people. It is a country by any criterion, and will remain so irrespective of the outcome of next year's referendum.

[Cocacolajojo1]

The Scottish referendum is to resolve the question of statehood; Scotland's nationhood is not open to question. It is a country within a state, that state being the composite monarchy that is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

Scotland is a nation without a state. It is a polity with a people. It is a country by any criterion, and will remain so irrespective of the outcome of next year's referendum.

If we're going to be intellectual about it, you don't even really need a polity or even a country to be a nationality. Native americans, kurds and samic people (among others) see themselves as nations as well.