Pellegrini Satisfometer

[DoomMerchant]

Nicked this from another site:

Here's the point's tally after nine games the last 7 seasons

2013/14 16 p
2012/13 21 p
2011/12 25 p
2010/11 17 p
2009/10 18 p
2008/09 13 p
2007/08 19 p

Pellegrini is 3 points better than Hughes in 2008-2009...

When you consider theamount of resources put into the team and amount of strengthening, that list makes very poor reading.

holistic, at best.

cheers

[ashton287]

Main difference between Pellegrini and Mancini so far? Pellegrini got a far easier CL draw than Mancini ever did.

The players also like Pellegrini a lot more than Mancini.

13 games in and we cant defend with any confidence, remain completely reliant on an injury prone player, and sit 7th after losing 3 of the first 9 games. Those are the facts. Pellegrini is paid to make this team better and so far Id submit that it isn't any better or worse than it was last year. Over to you Manuel.

It is definitely worse than last year.

[DoomMerchant]

sadly, the wife, in an animated fashion after Sunday's loss said:

"why did they fire Mancini for this bullshit? This guy is an old loser. I hate him."

she's being a bit lowbrow about it, but....i didn't really have a good riposte.

cheers

[Im_Spartacus]

sadly, the wife, in an animated fashion after Sunday's loss said:

"why did they fire Mancini for this bullshit? This guy is an old loser. I hate him."

she's being a bit lowbrow about it, but....i didn't really have a good riposte.

cheers

Hate! Strong word, does she think he's a nonce like Ashton?

[MilnersJaw]

I'm nt satisfied with the fact he hasn't got the balls to drop hart, plays Garcia And nasti ahead of lescott. Bar thy though he is good.

[Tokyo Blue]

sadly, the wife, in an animated fashion after Sunday's loss said:

"why did they fire Mancini for this bullshit? This guy is an old loser. I hate him."

she's being a bit lowbrow about it, but....i didn't really have a good riposte.

cheers

Surely you could have told her how the two Spaniards have got everything under control.

[AG7]

Nicked this from another site: Here's the point's tally after nine games the last 7 seasons 2013/14 16 p 2012/13 21 p 2011/12 25 p 2010/11 17 p 2009/10 18 p 2008/09 13 p 2007/08 19 p Pellegrini is 3 points better than Hughes in 2008-2009...

Only last three seasons matter when we finished 3rd, 1st and 2nd (with 17, 25 and 21 pts) ... and right now we stand worst of all three (16 pts) ... says it all really!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

He got his tactics right today but his defence is a fucking shambles & he is paid to fix it.

Yes the tactics were right, and we were very unlucky but the mistakes in defence were made in the summer 100 m spent and not a decent defender brought in when it was obvious we had/have problems there.

Aaaaaaaaannnnddd that's where the spaniards come in.

I knew that if they'd make mistakes in transfer market it would be manager who would have to shoulder the blame. That's why I've never been fan of the Director of Football system.

[Ted Hughes]

He got his tactics right today but his defence is a fucking shambles & he is paid to fix it.

Yes the tactics were right, and we were very unlucky but the mistakes in defence were made in the summer 100 m spent and not a decent defender brought in when it was obvious we had/have problems there.

Aaaaaaaaannnnddd that's where the spaniards come in.

I knew that if they'd make mistakes in transfer market it would be manager who would have to shoulder the blame. That's why I've never been fan of the Director of Football system.

Not having that.

The transfer targets were discussed with Pellegrini & he got most of what he asked for but he's ended up with an ageing cb he trusts rather than a younger one. If he had seen it as a priority, we would have a younger one.

He has bought into the bollocks about Nastasic being fantastic, same as half the people on here, & gone for a bit of experience as backup to Vinny, to play next to Nastasic, & there lies the problem.

[Original Dub]

I'm not buying into this whole thing that our points tally should be better than previous years because we have spent more.

Leave that up to the media and martin tyler.

I've seen plenty of seasons where the rags made big signings and get off to slow starts while they settle in, only to go on and win the league. And they had the same manager and staff in place.

No team has settled into the league so far this season. Liverpool and arsenal are over achieving, while chelsea are beginning to grind into gear.

We have had the most change at the club, so it's a bit childish jumping up and down saying "I told you so" at this stage.

And worse to be blaming it on the manager not looking confident on the sidelines, or a clown... or a nonce.

Come on ffs, after being handed a week of three away games, with moscow in the middle and the toughest fixture of the year at the end, then coming unstuck by a freak fuck up...

I can see improvement. I can see players that need dropping, but I can see plenty of reasons not to be bitter about getting rid of the last guy... or for getting in this guy.

But I can't understand why after what would have been the perfect week, that folk are losing their mind at the manager.

[Ted Hughes]

I'm not buying into this whole thing that our points tally should be better than previous years because we have spent more.

Leave that up to the media and martin tyler.

I've seen plenty of seasons where the rags made big signings and get off to slow starts while they settle in, only to go on and win the league. And they had the same manager and staff in place.

No team has settled into the league so far this season. Liverpool and arsenal are over achieving, while chelsea are beginning to grind into gear.

We have had the most change at the club, so it's a bit childish jumping up and down saying "I told you so" at this stage.

And worse to be blaming it on the manager not looking confident on the sidelines, or a clown... or a nonce.

Come on ffs, after being handed a week of three away games, with moscow in the middle and the toughest fixture of the year at the end, then coming unstuck by a freak fuck up...

I can see improvement. I can see players that need dropping, but I can see plenty of reasons not to be bitter about getting rid of the last guy... or for getting in this guy.

But I can't understand why after what would have been the perfect week, that folk are losing their mind at the manager.

I don't actually blame the Count for this one, but I would be doing had Cahill or Torres scored first half when Demichelis & Nastasic were stood scratching their arses. Then it would have been his fault for selection, but he got away with it.

Nobody can account for Joe Hart this season & had he done the same last season, we would have the same, or less, points.

[john68]

Dub,
I don't think there is any residual bitterness about the previous manager. I do think that now people are doing what seemed to be suppressed by that accusation at the time...questioning CHANGE, whether it was necessary and whether the change made constituted progress.

Last season was considered by many to be a failed season, so it is wholly understandable with changes made and players brought in, that expectations should be a whole lot higher. The record shows that is patently not the case and we have at this stage gone backwards.

For all the whoopee and triumphalism about our attacking players, new attacking strategies and positive "go forward" philosophy, we have only scored 3 more goals at the same stage as last season and our goal difference is only 1 goal better.

Considering last season was considered a failed season, plus losing 3 games (compared to 0 losses last season), and the fact that we have 5 fewer points....it does seem that most of that unquestioning triumphal "whoop de doo" was a little misplaced.

[Alioune DVToure]

Never misplace your whoop-de-doo.

[john68]

Never misplace your whoop-de-doo.

My whoop de doo is fine...when I remember where I put it.

[Original Dub]

Dub,
I don't think there is any residual bitterness about the previous manager. I do think that now people are doing what seemed to be suppressed by that accusation at the time...questioning CHANGE, whether it was necessary and whether the change made constituted progress.

Last season was considered by many to be a failed season, so it is wholly understandable with changes made and players brought in, that expectations should be a whole lot higher. The record shows that is patently not the case and we have at this stage gone backwards.

For all the whoopee and triumphalism about our attacking players, new attacking strategies and positive "go forward" philosophy, we have only scored 3 more goals at the same stage as last season and our goal difference is only 1 goal better.

Considering last season was considered a failed season, plus losing 3 games (compared to 0 losses last season), and the fact that we have 5 fewer points....it does seem that most of that unquestioning triumphal "whoop de doo" was a little misplaced.

Well mate, last season was considered a failure on reflection, not on prediction.
I would like to see who we had played at this point last season, the scores and also the champions league results thrown in, before we even go down the route of style.

Anyway, there was need for change because the manager lost the dressing room. If you don't like the guy they changed to based on the first to months of the season, that's fine, but tell us who we should have gone for, because Mancini was a goner. For all the reasons we've already debated countless times.

I was very unsatisfied with the Cardiff performance, the Hull performance and elements of the Bayern performance (taking into account how amazing they were).

I am more unsatisfied with the uncharacteristic fuck ups from individuals when we are completely dominating games. "Uncharacteristic" being a very operative word, because if it was "characteristic", the changes would have been made in the Summer transfer window.

This thread is about what elements of our poor performances are down to the manager we currently have. To me, that is mainly down to dressing room harmony and tactics, so I'm more than happy to discuss that.

I don't know what the harmony is like but based on how all of his previous players speak of him, I'm not concerned about it... yet.
Tactics - I wasn't happy about how his tactics in a few games - us lining up with two strikers away from home and against Bayern, when we should have been packing the midfield, being my main gripe - but he looks to have gotten wise to this and also has made some good reactive changes during games (Everton springs to mind).
Against Chelsea, I was impressed. Very impressed actually, because a game is about the 90 odd minutes and we were playing our toughest fixture and dominating.

He now knows that he is dealing with possible three players hitting bad the roughest patches since they arrived, but the market is closed so he has to depend, for now, on using his man management skills to build their confidence and try to iron out the mistakes between now and January.

As ever, we'll know after the Christmas run and the January window whether we are shit because of this man. Maybe he isn't the right man for the job - I certainly don't have any reason to want him out now based on what I've seen from him.

But anyone who tries to tell me that we shouldn't have gotten rid of Mancini and we made a mistake by hiring this guy, purely based on what we've seen so far... well, I would suspect an agenda more so than magnificent foresight.

[Ted Hughes]

Dub,
I don't think there is any residual bitterness about the previous manager. I do think that now people are doing what seemed to be suppressed by that accusation at the time...questioning CHANGE, whether it was necessary and whether the change made constituted progress.

Last season was considered by many to be a failed season, so it is wholly understandable with changes made and players brought in, that expectations should be a whole lot higher. The record shows that is patently not the case and we have at this stage gone backwards.

For all the whoopee and triumphalism about our attacking players, new attacking strategies and positive "go forward" philosophy, we have only scored 3 more goals at the same stage as last season and our goal difference is only 1 goal better.

Considering last season was considered a failed season, plus losing 3 games (compared to 0 losses last season), and the fact that we have 5 fewer points....it does seem that most of that unquestioning triumphal "whoop de doo" was a little misplaced.

Well mate, last season was considered a failure on reflection, not on prediction.
I would like to see who we had played at this point last season, the scores and also the champions league results thrown in, before we even go down the route of style.

Anyway, there was need for change because the manager lost the dressing room. If you don't like the guy they changed to based on the first to months of the season, that's fine, but tell us who we should have gone for, because Mancini was a goner. For all the reasons we've already debated countless times.

I was very unsatisfied with the Cardiff performance, the Hull performance and elements of the Bayern performance (taking into account how amazing they were).

I am more unsatisfied with the uncharacteristic fuck ups from individuals when we are completely dominating games. "Uncharacteristic" being a very operative word, because if it was "characteristic", the changes would have been made in the Summer transfer window.

This thread is about what elements of our poor performances are down to the manager we currently have. To me, that is mainly down to dressing room harmony and tactics, so I'm more than happy to discuss that.

I don't know what the harmony is like but based on how all of his previous players speak of him, I'm not concerned about it... yet.
Tactics - I wasn't happy about how his tactics in a few games - us lining up with two strikers away from home and against Bayern, when we should have been packing the midfield, being my main gripe - but he looks to have gotten wise to this and also has made some good reactive changes during games (Everton springs to mind).
Against Chelsea, I was impressed. Very impressed actually, because a game is about the 90 odd minutes and we were playing our toughest fixture and dominating.

He now knows that he is dealing with possible three players hitting bad the roughest patches since they arrived, but the market is closed so he has to depend, for now, on using his man management skills to build their confidence and try to iron out the mistakes between now and January.

As ever, we'll know after the Christmas run and the January window whether we are shit because of this man. Maybe he isn't the right man for the job - I certainly don't have any reason to want him out now based on what I've seen from him.

But anyone who tries to tell me that we shouldn't have gotten rid of Mancini and we made a mistake by hiring this guy, purely based on what we've seen so far... well, I would suspect an agenda more so than magnificent foresight.

I thought Mancini was dreadful last season but I don't like sacking managers & didn't want him sacking.

Now though, I'm delighted he's gone & would never want him back. We may have a shit defence but the attacking options are miles better & just prove to me how crap Bob was in that area. I like attacking football & it was doing my head in how he missed such obvious stuff like crosses. We have put more in during 3 months of the Count than 3 years of Mancini. He also had no idea about strikers linking up. We are so much better in that area, it's a joke how long we struggled on. Watford had more cohesion up front than we did by comparison.

If Pellegrini is to stay on though, he has to do better defensively imo, much better. But Hart is making that problem even worse, so we'll see.

I don't care that much if the Count stays or not, as I think the club is now on the right track, but I like half of what he's done, so I hope he sorts the other half.

If not, meh. We'll get another one & perhaps he will do both.

The club now has a philosophy of playing attacking pass & move football, huge resources, is building the best academy in the world.

We will find a suitable bloke to be at the front of that. In the meantime, I'm just glad it's not that God bothering weirdo. He's had his time & can rest assured he stands in history. Now he works for someone else. Well done & goodbye.

As for the Count; I think he will win the league, but unless he sorts the defence to a level where we can at least give Bayern a game, I won't be convinced.

[Beefymcfc]

I'm not sure if this is a talking point but I thought I'd add anyway.

This season we have conceded 11 goals and scored 21 (+10). Last season, at this point, we had conceded 9 and scored 18 (+9). The PL winning season we had conceded 7 and scored 33 (+26!).

Last season we had 21 points from 9 games, 16 from this. The PL winning season we had 25 points from 9, this season, well, you know the score.

The last time we had similar points to this was when we first made the CL (17 points) and the start of the season under Leslie (18 points). Prior to that we started the first 9 with 13 points.

Feeling confident?

[Wonderwall]

I'm not sure if this is a talking point but I thought I'd add anyway.

This season we have conceded 11 goals and scored 21 (+10). Last season, at this point, we had conceded 9 and scored 18 (+9). The PL winning season we had conceded 7 and scored 33 (+26!).

Last season we had 21 points from 9 games, 16 from this. The PL winning season we had 25 points from 9, this season, well, you know the score.

The last time we had similar points to this was when we first made the CL (17 points) and the start of the season under Leslie (18 points). Prior to that we started the first 9 with 13 points.

Feeling confident?

Thoroughly depressed after reading that. Cheers beefy

[City64]

Pellegrini is making too many selection and tactical mistakes and it is costing us big style ! Most of his mistakes are understandable because he is learning the English Premier League and his squad of players . FFS though it is evident to all and sundrie that WE have the best squad of players by some margin to piss this league !!!! these guys are on huge salaries , how can they get things so wrong ???? Joe Hart has cost us probably 7 premier league points via his sub standard performances in premier league games at Cardiff , Villa and tonight at Chelsea ........ those 7 points would put us TOP of the Premier League !!!!! Our bench tonight at Chelsea was awesome quality ????? no team in the Premier League HAS that strength in depth ?????

Im am frustrated as fuck to what is going on ! how can Garcia commmand a place in the team when we have Negredo , Milner , Dzeko , Navas etc etc etc on the fucking bench ffs ????? and no Lescott ?????

I don't think his handling of the back 4 is 'understandable' any more than Mancini's was last season.

Both managers have been intent on trying to implement their own super smartarsed plans, rather than putting together the best defenders & working the shit out of them until they are organised.

Mancini did that years ago, then fucked it up by having tricky plans & picking his favourites, no matter how shit, & this bloke is doing the same.

Just pick the best defenders & defend properly for fucks sake.

Our bench was frighteningly quality on sunday at Stamford Bridge yet Pellegrini persists with Garcia who is frighteningly shite .....


and we miss Kompany like fuck Ted .

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I'm not sure if this is a talking point but I thought I'd add anyway.

This season we have conceded 11 goals and scored 21 (+10). Last season, at this point, we had conceded 9 and scored 18 (+9). The PL winning season we had conceded 7 and scored 33 (+26!).

Last season we had 21 points from 9 games, 16 from this. The PL winning season we had 25 points from 9, this season, well, you know the score.

The last time we had similar points to this was when we first made the CL (17 points) the start of the season under Leslie (18 points). Prior to that we started the first 9 with 13 points.

Feeling confident?

Yes. No stand-out teams like in previous seasons so this one will have many twists and turns before the picture becomes clearer. When I say no stand-out teams, there is one but they're intent on making things interesting with some slapstick goalkeeping/defending.