Drop Hart? (NEW POLL AFTER CHELSEA FARCE))

[Rag_hater]

I suppose after the last game the case for him being dropped has gained strength,however don't think it should be untill Jan and the clamour for somebody who has been a No2 most of their career seems like a bit of a folly to me.I think he should be given till we know we can get a definate upgrade.

[sheblue]

thought panti played quite well in the cup run last season.

[phips]

supposedly if Panti impresses today he will keep his spot at the weekend

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I suppose after the last game the case for him being dropped has gained strength,however don't think it should be untill Jan and the clamour for somebody who has been a No2 most of their career seems like a bit of a folly to me.I think he should be given till we know we can get a definate upgrade.

I think this is what Pellegrini will do.

[Sideshow Bob]

supposedly if Panti impresses today he will keep his spot at the weekend

any quotes? btw, we play tomorrow.

[Original Dub]

supposedly if Panti impresses today he will keep his spot at the weekend

First of all, who is your source?

Secondly, what is Panti doing today that he needs to impress in?

[Herb]

Forgot to mention, you're all clambering for Pants to start yet when Joe was allegedly shite last season Mancini didn't trust enough in Pants to drop Hart, this is someone that sees both everyday in training. I don't know about you but that doesn't fill me with confidence that Pants will fare any better than Hart.

Jeezus Fibj you don't half get on your war horse don't you! Nobody's having a pop at you personally so try injecting a bit of humour into your words - it makes everyone smile and is good for the soul!!!
I think that throughout last season we all kept hoping that Joe would stop fluffing and flapping at shots, that he'd suddenly start controlling his defence again, that he'd learn to commsand his area and to deal with crosses and to distribute fast and accurately . . we all wanted him to get over whatever his problem is and do well for us . . . but he didn't did he and now his incompetence has lost yet more league points and conceded more CL goals . . and the vast majority of City fans want him benched pronto so that he can take time out to get back to some acceptable form so that we can all heap praises on him just like you do.
I've nothing against you having your love-fuddled minority opinion but please accept that you're pretty much out on your own with it and please don't get all het up over it either . . stress is a really bad thing man and you need to look after yourself so that you can be there for Joe when Joe needs you (like in your 'blue' dreams you sexy thang!).

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Forgot to mention, you're all clambering for Pants to start yet when Joe was allegedly shite last season Mancini didn't trust enough in Pants to drop Hart, this is someone that sees both everyday in training. I don't know about you but that doesn't fill me with confidence that Pants will fare any better than Hart.

Jeezus Fibj you don't half get on your war horse don't you! Nobody's having a pop at you personally so try injecting a bit of humour into your words - it makes everyone smile and is good for the soul!!!
I think that throughout last season we all kept hoping that Joe would stop fluffing and flapping at shots, that he'd suddenly start controlling his defence again, that he'd learn to commsand his area and to deal with crosses and to distribute fast and accurately . . we all wanted him to get over whatever his problem is and do well for us . . . but he didn't did he and now his incompetence has lost yet more league points and conceded more CL goals . . and the vast majority of City fans want him benched pronto so that he can take time out to get back to some acceptable form so that we can all heap praises on him just like you do.
I've nothing against you having your love-fuddled minority opinion but please accept that you're pretty much out on your own with it and please don't get all het up over it either . . stress is a really bad thing man and you need to look after yourself so that you can be there for Joe when Joe needs you (like in your 'blue' dreams you sexy thang!).

What love fuddled opinion? I'm arguing with those that are exaggerating and scapegoating, blaming him for things that weren't his fault to try back up their opinions. So give over with the crap making out that my opinion is something that it isn't.

As for humour, I prefer humour to be humorous. I'm a bit strange like that.

[Saul Goodman]

"The England keeper's erratic form has opened the door for Costel Pantilimon, who has been told he could become Man City's number one keeper

Blundering Joe: Manuel Pellegrini could give Pantilimon the No1 spot Joe Hart is set to be axed following his latest costly blunder in an error-strewn season for Manchester City.

Hart was at fault for Chelsea’s last-minute winner in City’s 2-1 defeat at Stamford Bridge on Sunday and will lose his place following the gaffe. City boss Manuel Pellegrini warned Hart he considered dropping him four weeks ago after the England No.1’s blunders in a 3-1 home defeat to Bayern Munich. Hart kept his place on that occasion but Pellegrini – who refused to back Hart after the goalkeeper’s latest high-profile mistake – is set to take action this time.

Costel Pantilimon will play in goal for City in tomorrow’s Capital One Cup fourth round tie at Newcastle, with Hart demoted to the bench for only the second time this season. Although Pantilimon was always going to play tomorrow, given Pellegrini’s policy of using him in the competition, he has been told he will keep his place at home to Norwich in the Premier League on Saturday if he impresses at St James’ Park.

It is understood Hart was reluctant to take the blame for the error that gifted Fernando Torres a 90th-minute winner and condemned City to a third league defeat of the season.

Hart maintained he shouted for the ball before the mix-up with team-mate Matija Nastasic that allowed Torres to claim the dramatic late winner. The latest clanger was Hart’s NINTH of 2013 and Pellegrini has finally lose patience with the 26-year-old after standing by him in what the City boss called his “worst moment”.

This season Hart has committed errors that have led to goals against Cardiff, Aston Villa, Bayern Munich and Chelsea, as well as a howler in England’s 3-2 win over Scotland. Hart’s problems at club level are a deep concern for England manager Roy Hodgson. The opportunity to give one of Hart’s international under-studies experience in the November friendly with Chile may prove tricky if Hodgson decides his No 1 needs the match practice ahead of next summer’s World Cup."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/ ... ty-2650826

[Herb]

I've nothing against you having your love-fuddled minority opinion but please accept that you're pretty much out on your own with it and please don't get all het up over it either . . stress is a really bad thing man and you need to look after yourself so that you can be there for Joe when Joe needs you (like in your 'blue' dreams you sexy thang!).

What love fuddled opinion? I'm arguing with those that are exaggerating and scapegoating, blaming him for things that weren't his fault to try back up their opinions. So give over with the crap making out that my opinion is something that it isn't.

As for humour, I prefer humour to be humorous. I'm a bit strange like that.

Awe come-on . .the way you go all out tirelessly to defend the indefencible shows that there's definitely a love thing going on.
As for exagerating / scapegoating / blaming I think you'll find that the negatives towards his awful performances are because people have watched in horror as he's dropped clanger after pitiful clanger for 18 months now and they're simply expressing their experience in terms that reflect the emotional impact of his uselessness on those who really would dearly like him to be back to how he was 2 seasons ago. And anyhow, opinions expressed on this forum are generally forthright - did you expect everyone to hold back on voicing their opinions just because of your deep affection for the man?
Nobody's having a go at you Fibj and I'd have written about 90% less on the topic myself if it weren't for you constantly nipping in with another puzzling defence of the golden haired one.
And if you can't laugh at the humour of it all then you're missing out on one of life's essential ingredients so let's lighten up eh?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I've nothing against you having your love-fuddled minority opinion but please accept that you're pretty much out on your own with it and please don't get all het up over it either . . stress is a really bad thing man and you need to look after yourself so that you can be there for Joe when Joe needs you (like in your 'blue' dreams you sexy thang!).

What love fuddled opinion? I'm arguing with those that are exaggerating and scapegoating, blaming him for things that weren't his fault to try back up their opinions. So give over with the crap making out that my opinion is something that it isn't.

As for humour, I prefer humour to be humorous. I'm a bit strange like that.

Awe come-on . .the way you go all out tirelessly to defend the indefencible shows that there's definitely a love thing going on.
As for exagerating / scapegoating / blaming I think you'll find that the negatives towards his awful performances are because people have watched in horror as he's dropped clanger after pitiful clanger for 18 months now and they're simply expressing their experience in terms that reflect the emotional impact of his uselessness on those who really would dearly like him to be back to how he was 2 seasons ago. And anyhow, opinions expressed on this forum are generally forthright - did you expect everyone to hold back on voicing their opinions just because of your deep affection for the man?
Nobody's having a go at you Fibj and I'd have written about 90% less on the topic myself if it weren't for you constantly nipping in with another puzzling defence of the golden haired one.
And if you can't laugh at the humour of it all then you're missing out on one of life's essential ingredients so let's lighten up eh?

Listen mate, I really can't be bothered anymore, you've come up with this fictitious idea that I have some sort of man love for Joe and you've constantly used that to attempt to belittle me in this thread when all I've been doing is questioning the ott scapegoating of Hart.

I've just read back through every post I've written in this thread and can't see where you're getting this idea from.

You can respond but I won't be reading as for the first time on a message board I will be foeing someone because I can't be dealing with reading your crap.

[kinkylola]

I don't think the majority of people that want hart to sit are exactly clamoring for panti ... though he deserves a chance, and he's looked fine when called on in the past ... they are calling for hart to sit because he needs to get his head straight. It's not a case of Panti over Hart, it's a case of sit down and sort it out, then come back better. That's what I'm hopeful for anyway, as much as I like panti.

'My Giant' was an underrated flick.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I don't think the majority of people that want hart to sit are exactly clamoring for panti ... though he deserves a chance, and he's looked fine when called on in the past ... they are calling for hart to sit because he needs to get his head straight. It's not a case of Panti over Hart, it's a case of sit down and sort it out, then come back better. That's what I'm hopeful for anyway, as much as I like panti.

'My Giant' was an underrated flick.

Not a situation Pellegrini would have wanted obviously and one that will test his man management. I think I would agree that Joe needs to miss at least one game (Newcastle) and maybe 1 or league games but it's hard to imagine that it will be more than that.

Fundamentally Joe is the better keeper of the two main ones we have.IF he gets the boot longer term by Pellegrini there is the England situation to be very aware of. I doubt if Joe will accept a long term demotion if it could harm his England chances for the world cup.

[tc6828]

Perhaps joe hasn't degraded just our excellent possession and defending has covered him for being the useless cunt he is. He was a good shot stopper but even now he fucks up easy saves as well as his constant stupid decisions that cost us points. Maybe he thinks he can be the hero sometimes and save the day, well he ruins our. Drop this cunt and be done with it.

Sell Him in Jan. Problem solved. Lets stop aresing round and make a decision. Hart should wash and go!

[tc6828]

I don't think the majority of people that want hart to sit are exactly clamoring for panti ... though he deserves a chance, and he's looked fine when called on in the past ... they are calling for hart to sit because he needs to get his head straight. It's not a case of Panti over Hart, it's a case of sit down and sort it out, then come back better. That's what I'm hopeful for anyway, as much as I like panti.

'My Giant' was an underrated flick.

Not a situation Pellegrini would have wanted obviously and one that will test his man management. I think I would agree that Joe needs to miss at least one game (Newcastle) and maybe 1 or league games but it's hard to imagine that it will be more than that.

Fundamentally Joe is the better keeper of the two main ones we have.IF he gets the boot longer term by Pellegrini there is the England situation to be very aware of. I doubt if Joe will accept a long term demotion if it could harm his England chances for the world cup.

Sorry Doug, dont give a shit about the England position. City is what I and this forum is about. Cannot keep playing Hart in case he loses the national jersey.

[Herb]

Listen mate, I really can't be bothered anymore, you've come up with this fictitious idea that I have some sort of man love for Joe and you've constantly used that to attempt to belittle me in this thread when all I've been doing is questioning the ott scapegoating of Hart.

I've just read back through every post I've written in this thread and can't see where you're getting this idea from.

You can respond but I won't be reading as for the first time on a message board I will be foeing someone because I can't be dealing with reading your crap.

Fibj, I'm really hurt by that because I've done nothing more than stand by my opinion, I've accepted your opinion for what it is and I've been polite and reasonable (no effin & jeffin from me). I freely admit to employing a hint of tongue in cheek humour at your expense by playing on the 'respect so deep it must be love' line but I've also tried to get you to see the funny side of it because I actually truly respect that you stand by your man the way you do.I think you're a decent bloke and a true Blue and I'm tickled by your opinion.
I must also advise, with respect, that if you think that I'm worthy of foe status because of a bit of lighthearted feather-stick jousting then you should really avoid this place because I'm a pussy cat compared to some of the tigers on here.

And I've added you as a friend as a further gesture of goodwill . . . . . . . . . . . . . though you might not get to know about that if you've made me a foe huh?

[simplytolmie]

The best keepers and the ones who play well regularly are the ones with a settled defence.

This hasn't been afforded to joe this season. I believe with a back four of Pablo, Vinney, Joleon and clichy he can be back to his best.

But and it's a big but we need to stick with this back for, for the season week in week out and if we do we'll piss the league.

[Crossie]

Dropping a keeper never has the desired effect. Presuming the required effect is that the keeper comes back better than before. Keep faith.

[nottsblue]

Dropping a keeper never has the desired effect. Presuming the required effect is that the keeper comes back better than before. Keep faith.

Degayer at the swamp. After Lingaard pkayed a few games he upped his game to be fair and if truth be told is now a more consistent goalie at the moment than Hart

[MilnersJaw]

The best keepers and the ones who play well regularly are the ones with a settled defence.

This hasn't been afforded to joe this season. I believe with a back four of Pablo, Vinney, Joleon and clichy he can be back to his best.

But and it's a big but we need to stick with this back for, for the season week in week out and if we do we'll piss the league.

Not going to happen. We all know lescott is the better defender but his city career is over. He's been replaced by a kid who is average at best, drops bolllocks every game and nobody cares because of his age.

But all of joes mistakes are not new, he was doing it at the end of the winning season, all last season and now the howlers are even worse and it seems every fan here and people I speak to have had enough. People seem to give him tr benefit of the doubt mainly cos hes english and the england number ke and cos of a few games he seemed world class, world class keepers do it week in and out, joe hasn't for a long time.