Pellegrini Satisfometer

[Alioune DVToure]

I was never in the HD camp. I was in the D camp until the middle option was introduced and have been in the middle option since then. Hope that helps.

Brought you out of the woodwork if nothing else.

[brite blu sky]

Did you get a promotion lately?

Just curious...

No but I have been in hospital.

So you only bother to get out of your hospital bed to post when we lose then?

[brite blu sky]

You're right. The worst start to a season in the last ten years, which is as far as my fag packet research goes. The following is a Table of Tables based on the top team after 11 games:

11/12 Manchester City 11 10 1 0 39 10 29 31
05/06 Chelsea 11 10 1 0 28 6 22 31
06/07 Scum 11 9 1 1 26 5 21 28
12/13 Scum 11 9 0 2 29 16 13 27
09/10 Chelsea 11 9 0 2 28 8 20 27
07/08 Arsenal 11 8 3 0 24 9 15 27
08/09 Chelsea 11 8 2 1 27 4 23 26
04/05 Arsenal 11 8 2 1 31 12 19 26
10/11 Chelsea 11 8 1 2 27 5 22 25
13/14 Arsenal 11 8 1 2 22 10 12 25

Not as bad as I expected, to be honest. Take us and Chelsea out and there's not much in them. This season still seems more unpredictable at the top, so we've missed an opportunity to break away but haven't blown the league yet.

We can't continue to slowly fall further behind though or we will struggle to make it up. You can catch one team but not three or four.

We will go and beat more than our fair share of games v the top teams though.. so catching them all up. If we don't keep throwing it away the week after.
It will get better I'm sure and we will get the defensive set up right, even paying proper respect to teams down the table when we are away from home. The top teams we will really turn it on and run over them.. keeping ourselves in contention till we sort out the 'focus and motivational' problems as the season goes on. There is a limit though obviously as we can only knock 6pts max of each of our main rivals and we flunked Southampton and Chelsea already.

Someone up in mancland actually going and kidnapping Garcia and hiding him somewhere would probably make the greatest difference to City's title chances though.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Yesterday I was particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance.

Sit down lad...This may surprise you but Mancini has left the building...Yesterday was a Pellergrini away performance. Fuck me, is this guy untouchable or what.

"Don't blame it on the sunshine...Don't blame it on the moonlight, Don't blame it on the good times....
BLAME IT ON MANCINI!!!!!"

i HAVE READ SOME SHITE ON HERE!!!

You're quite right John and I find it wierd that we can't talk about Pellers without Mancini's name being brought up and used negatively. Mancini wasn't there, he was losing his own game in Turkey.

I can understand the protectionism as I've done it on many occassions but our away form in the league needs to be questioned. The 1st time it happened you can shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game. The 2nd time you can sort of do it but when you hit the 3rd and 4th, knowing we've only picked up 4 points from a possible 18, then you've got to start questioning what is going on.

And Ted, it's OK saying the teams above us are shit but the reality is that the 7 teams aren't contiuously as shit as us. The table doesn't lie.

And to finish, and this is not a omparison with Mancini as the only comparison can be made on the players, how many points did we have after 11 games last season compared to this? I checked last time and a few jumped on my back so I'll let somebody else have a look this time.

Quite a few said last season was pathetic but compared to this, I'm not to sure.

And another one who's spectacularly mis interpreted my point.
It was a criticism of Pellegrini, saying the shite we produced on Sunday was reminiscent of how we played away from home last season under Mancini which I widely criticized. I wasn't criticizing or blaming Mancini at all.
And therefore since I criticized our former manager for something, it would be hypocritical not to criticize the current one for the same thing.

[Beefymcfc]

Yesterday I was particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance.

Sit down lad...This may surprise you but Mancini has left the building...Yesterday was a Pellergrini away performance. Fuck me, is this guy untouchable or what.

"Don't blame it on the sunshine...Don't blame it on the moonlight, Don't blame it on the good times....
BLAME IT ON MANCINI!!!!!"

i HAVE READ SOME SHITE ON HERE!!!

You're quite right John and I find it wierd that we can't talk about Pellers without Mancini's name being brought up and used negatively. Mancini wasn't there, he was losing his own game in Turkey.

I can understand the protectionism as I've done it on many occassions but our away form in the league needs to be questioned. The 1st time it happened you can shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game. The 2nd time you can sort of do it but when you hit the 3rd and 4th, knowing we've only picked up 4 points from a possible 18, then you've got to start questioning what is going on.

And Ted, it's OK saying the teams above us are shit but the reality is that the 7 teams aren't contiuously as shit as us. The table doesn't lie.

And to finish, and this is not a omparison with Mancini as the only comparison can be made on the players, how many points did we have after 11 games last season compared to this? I checked last time and a few jumped on my back so I'll let somebody else have a look this time.

Quite a few said last season was pathetic but compared to this, I'm not to sure.

And another one who's spectacularly mis interpreted my point.
It was a criticism of Pellegrini, saying the shite we produced on Sunday was reminiscent of how we played away from home last season under Mancini which I widely criticized. I wasn't criticizing or blaming Mancini at all.
And therefore since I criticized our former manager for something, it would be hypocritical not to criticize the current one for the same thing.

If it's a criticism of Pellers then that must be a hell of a criticism mate. My point is more about the complete protectionism, whereas we all had something to say about Mancini.

Let's face it, Pellers isn't exactly anywhere near where we should be. I'm not into barracking managers and try to say things as I see them. This season has been very much below par so far in ters of away results and points tally, let's at least debate the points rather than just keep sitting in hope.

PS. we're currently on 0.66 points per game away from home. Unless Pellers sorts that out then he will soon lose the backing that he has got.

[kinkylola]

Yesterday I was particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance.

Sit down lad...This may surprise you but Mancini has left the building...Yesterday was a Pellergrini away performance. Fuck me, is this guy untouchable or what.

"Don't blame it on the sunshine...Don't blame it on the moonlight, Don't blame it on the good times....
BLAME IT ON MANCINI!!!!!"

i HAVE READ SOME SHITE ON HERE!!!

You're quite right John and I find it wierd that we can't talk about Pellers without Mancini's name being brought up and used negatively. Mancini wasn't there, he was losing his own game in Turkey.

I can understand the protectionism as I've done it on many occassions but our away form in the league needs to be questioned. The 1st time it happened you can shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game. The 2nd time you can sort of do it but when you hit the 3rd and 4th, knowing we've only picked up 4 points from a possible 18, then you've got to start questioning what is going on.

And Ted, it's OK saying the teams above us are shit but the reality is that the 7 teams aren't contiuously as shit as us. The table doesn't lie.

And to finish, and this is not a omparison with Mancini as the only comparison can be made on the players, how many points did we have after 11 games last season compared to this? I checked last time and a few jumped on my back so I'll let somebody else have a look this time.

Quite a few said last season was pathetic but compared to this, I'm not to sure.

And another one who's spectacularly mis interpreted my point.
It was a criticism of Pellegrini, saying the shite we produced on Sunday was reminiscent of how we played away from home last season under Mancini which I widely criticized. I wasn't criticizing or blaming Mancini at all.
And therefore since I criticized our former manager for something, it would be hypocritical not to criticize the current one for the same thing.

If it's a criticism of Pellers then that must be a hell of a criticism mate. My point is more about the complete protectionism, whereas we all had something to say about Mancini.

Let's face it, Pellers isn't exactly anywhere near where we should be. I'm not into barracking managers and try to say things as I see them. This season has been very much below par so far in ters of away results and points tally, let's at least debate the points rather than just keep sitting in hope.

PS. we're currently on 0.66 points per game away from home. Unless Pellers sorts that out then he will soon lose the backing that he has got.

We're also only 11 games in ... Pellers has just gotten started, the first 6 months of Mancini's reign wasn't too full of criticism either.

Things with Mancini turned cynical pretty quickly I think, when it was clear he wasn't going to adapt to a number of the problems that we had as a team, maybe people are just still optimistic about Pellers going forward?

It think it's ridiculous for people to cry about Pellers not being criticized the same way Mancini was ... same with people who find it 'interesting.' It's not interesting or unfair or any of it, get off your high horses.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Yesterday I was particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance.

Sit down lad...This may surprise you but Mancini has left the building...Yesterday was a Pellergrini away performance. Fuck me, is this guy untouchable or what.

"Don't blame it on the sunshine...Don't blame it on the moonlight, Don't blame it on the good times....
BLAME IT ON MANCINI!!!!!"

i HAVE READ SOME SHITE ON HERE!!!

You're quite right John and I find it wierd that we can't talk about Pellers without Mancini's name being brought up and used negatively. Mancini wasn't there, he was losing his own game in Turkey.

I can understand the protectionism as I've done it on many occassions but our away form in the league needs to be questioned. The 1st time it happened you can shrug your shoulders and look forward to the next game. The 2nd time you can sort of do it but when you hit the 3rd and 4th, knowing we've only picked up 4 points from a possible 18, then you've got to start questioning what is going on.

And Ted, it's OK saying the teams above us are shit but the reality is that the 7 teams aren't contiuously as shit as us. The table doesn't lie.

And to finish, and this is not a omparison with Mancini as the only comparison can be made on the players, how many points did we have after 11 games last season compared to this? I checked last time and a few jumped on my back so I'll let somebody else have a look this time.

Quite a few said last season was pathetic but compared to this, I'm not to sure.

And another one who's spectacularly mis interpreted my point.
It was a criticism of Pellegrini, saying the shite we produced on Sunday was reminiscent of how we played away from home last season under Mancini which I widely criticized. I wasn't criticizing or blaming Mancini at all.
And therefore since I criticized our former manager for something, it would be hypocritical not to criticize the current one for the same thing.

If it's a criticism of Pellers then that must be a hell of a criticism mate. My point is more about the complete protectionism, whereas we all had something to say about Mancini.

Let's face it, Pellers isn't exactly anywhere near where we should be. I'm not into barracking managers and try to say things as I see them. This season has been very much below par so far in ters of away results and points tally, let's at least debate the points rather than just keep sitting in hope.

PS. we're currently on 0.66 points per game away from home. Unless Pellers sorts that out then he will soon lose the backing that he has got.

The thing is though mate, certain members on here who backed and defended Mancini no matter what and rarely criticized him even when we were playing shite, have somehow found it much easier to slate and criticize Pellegrini.
On the other hand, posters who were on Maninci's back and criticized him when we played shite, have also criticized the count equally for his fuck ups.

We are 8th yes, but had we won at the weekend we would have been sat 3rd and in a strong position. Obviously we didn't but it shows just how tight the league is and what a weird season it is. Normally after 10 games, the table has taken shape. This year it hasn't and everyone is losing to everyone. As long as we're within touching distance of the leaders, we have as much a chance as anyone. And i'm getting frustrated at all those who are saying ' we can't afford to lose more than x amount of games'. How do they know? Maybe this season the title will be won by a far lower points total than normal. It's looking that way.
To me though the most important thing is to play attractive and entertaining football and I've already had far more entertainment than I did in the whole of last season.
Last Sunday however I was really disappointed because watching that reminded me of the shite we served up away from home far too often last season and at points during the title winning season. Slow build up, no penetration and not really looking like scoring. But above all- boring to watch.

If performances like that become a regular occurrence he'll be a gonner as there's no point in smashing Norwich for 7 and then losing to Sunderland.
No one looks particularly great this season and it will make for a really interesting season. Enjoy it.

[Beefymcfc]

I disagree, I think a couple of teams do stand out and those are the ones that hae kept their manager. Arsenal have played really well and so have the Dippers, the rest above us have just been consistently better. Even the Rags, who we were supposed to be miles away from right now are scraping points.

Pellers is the manager but at this point I'll put it down to the players he has chosen per game. Some of the tactics have been shit and I'm sure that most will agree that a little Mancini'esque'ness in defence is called for.

Would I take 25 points at this point in the season rather than 19, I'd be a fool not to.

[kinkylola]

I disagree, I think a couple of teams do stand out and those are the ones that hae kept their manager. Arsenal have played really well and so have the Dippers, the rest above us have just been consistently better. Even the Rags, who we were supposed to be miles away from right now are scraping points.

Pellers is the manager but at this point I'll put it down to the players he has chosen per game. Some of the tactics have been shit and I'm sure that most will agree that a little Mancini'esque'ness in defence is called for.

Would I take 25 points at this point in the season rather than 19, I'd be a fool not to.

you really think spurs and chelsea have been consistently better than us?

[john68]

Bridges,

You clearly stated that "[You were] particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance."

That is quite clearly an unnecessary unspecific and unsubstantiated criticism of Mancini offering no evidence or reasons why you believe this to be the case.
I am sorry but what happened on Sunday was fuck all to do with anyone other than Pellergrini, his choice of team, set up and tactics.

It's utter fuckin nonsense...unless you can prove otherwise.
Go for it.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Bridges, You clearly stated that "[You were] particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance." That is quite clearly an unnecessary unspecific and unsubstantiated criticism of Mancini offering no evidence or reasons why you believe this to be the case. I am sorry but what happened on Sunday was fuck all to do with anyone other than Pellergrini, his choice of team, set up and tactics. It's utter fuckin nonsense...unless you can prove otherwise. Go for it.

No offense mate but surely the proof is the exact same score there last season?

[Beefymcfc]

I disagree, I think a couple of teams do stand out and those are the ones that hae kept their manager. Arsenal have played really well and so have the Dippers, the rest above us have just been consistently better. Even the Rags, who we were supposed to be miles away from right now are scraping points.

Pellers is the manager but at this point I'll put it down to the players he has chosen per game. Some of the tactics have been shit and I'm sure that most will agree that a little Mancini'esque'ness in defence is called for.

Would I take 25 points at this point in the season rather than 19, I'd be a fool not to.

you really think spurs and chelsea have been consistently better than us?

I'm not sure of your question but if you're inferring that I implied 'They have played better than us' then the answer is no. As I said, they have been consistently better simply because the table doesn't lie.

Nice to see I wasn't picked up on any other part of the post.

[kinkylola]

Bridges, You clearly stated that "[You were] particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance." That is quite clearly an unnecessary unspecific and unsubstantiated criticism of Mancini offering no evidence or reasons why you believe this to be the case. I am sorry but what happened on Sunday was fuck all to do with anyone other than Pellergrini, his choice of team, set up and tactics. It's utter fuckin nonsense...unless you can prove otherwise. Go for it.

No offense mate but surely the proof is the exact same score there last season?

since 10-11.

The comment was referring to the constant criticism that Mancini got about his away performances. At the time, it seemed pretty unanimous across the board that our away form was totally uninspiring ... shit, really. Maybe I'm miss-remembering. We were not great away from home in the league or in Europe, and it was a pretty big mark against Mancini.

In hiring a new manager, most people would hope that he is chosen, at least in part, because he has the ability to rise above the failings of the previous man. This is a criticism of Pelligrini, because we are still shit away from home. It is Pellegrini's fault 100%, and bridgy doesn't imply otherwise. He's simply saying, we were shit away from home under Mancini, and we are shit away from home under Pellers ... If youre drawing anythign else from it, you're just inserting your own agenda.

I don't get what's hard to understand there.

[kinkylola]

I disagree, I think a couple of teams do stand out and those are the ones that hae kept their manager. Arsenal have played really well and so have the Dippers, the rest above us have just been consistently better. Even the Rags, who we were supposed to be miles away from right now are scraping points.

Pellers is the manager but at this point I'll put it down to the players he has chosen per game. Some of the tactics have been shit and I'm sure that most will agree that a little Mancini'esque'ness in defence is called for.

Would I take 25 points at this point in the season rather than 19, I'd be a fool not to.

you really think spurs and chelsea have been consistently better than us?

I'm not sure of your question but if you're inferring that I implied 'They have played better than us' then the answer is no. As I said, they have been consistently better simply because the table doesn't lie.

Nice to see I wasn't picked up on any other part of the post.

I don't have any major disagreements with the rest of your post. Pellers is ultimately to blame, whether it's the players he's picking under performing, or not being able to cope with the lose of Vinnie ... in the end, he's the man that's supposed to have the solutions. Even when we have a 'world class' keeper that is misfiring like a motherfucker.

You're right though, the table doesn't lie ... but it's also just numbers and doesn't take into account the odd bounces and calls that throw all plans out the window. Larsson's no-card, the ghost foul on milner ... chelsea's 96th minute penalty, and spurs shit scoring record, etc ...

Now, i'm not claiming that we're being persecuted by refs, or that we don't also get the rub of the green sometimes ourselves. I'm also not satisfied at the moment with our results and how we play away from home ... but Mancini defensiveness was definitely not seen as the solution during many of the insipid away performances we had under him, so why should it be the way forward now?

[Beefymcfc]

I disagree, I think a couple of teams do stand out and those are the ones that hae kept their manager. Arsenal have played really well and so have the Dippers, the rest above us have just been consistently better. Even the Rags, who we were supposed to be miles away from right now are scraping points.

Pellers is the manager but at this point I'll put it down to the players he has chosen per game. Some of the tactics have been shit and I'm sure that most will agree that a little Mancini'esque'ness in defence is called for.

Would I take 25 points at this point in the season rather than 19, I'd be a fool not to.

you really think spurs and chelsea have been consistently better than us?

I'm not sure of your question but if you're inferring that I implied 'They have played better than us' then the answer is no. As I said, they have been consistently better simply because the table doesn't lie.

Nice to see I wasn't picked up on any other part of the post.

I don't have any major disagreements with the rest of your post. Pellers is ultimately to blame, whether it's the players he's picking under performing, or not being able to cope with the lose of Vinnie ... in the end, he's the man that's supposed to have the solutions. Even when we have a 'world class' keeper that is misfiring like a motherfucker.

You're right though, the table doesn't lie ... but it's also just numbers and doesn't take into account the odd bounces and calls that throw all plans out the window. Larsson's no-card, the ghost foul on milner ... chelsea's 96th minute penalty, and spurs shit scoring record, etc ...

Now, i'm not claiming that we're being persecuted by refs, or that we don't also get the rub of the green sometimes ourselves. I'm also not satisfied at the moment with our results and how we play away from home ... but Mancini defensiveness was definitely not seen as the solution during many of the insipid away performances we had under him, so why should it be the way forward now?

I don't think we'll ever get the rub of the green but at the moment it's the players who aren't coping with the situation and Pellers isn't getting them up there to motivate them against stubborn teams at tough grounds.

I'm glad you brought up the ref in the last game though because not too much was made of it. We all seen the horrendous tackle on Garcia, so did the ref, but for some inexplicable reason he chose not to take action. Then there's the goal incident, Bardsley was climbing all over the back of Milner and finished it off with a forearm to the back of his head. Why do these decisions always seem to go against us but usually for others.

I have no doubt that we'll start to kick-in once the players grow some balls and understand that this is how we are treated in the PL. We are gatecrashers to the party and whilst we keep getting decisions against us they need to step-up and and take control.

As for Mancini, as I said, sometimes a Mancini'esque type game to get us through at the end maybe prudent as what we see now just isn't working.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I disagree, I think a couple of teams do stand out and those are the ones that hae kept their manager. Arsenal have played really well and so have the Dippers, the rest above us have just been consistently better. Even the Rags, who we were supposed to be miles away from right now are scraping points.

Pellers is the manager but at this point I'll put it down to the players he has chosen per game. Some of the tactics have been shit and I'm sure that most will agree that a little Mancini'esque'ness in defence is called for.

Would I take 25 points at this point in the season rather than 19, I'd be a fool not to.

I've got to disagree here.
It is what it is. Mancini is long gone and will never come back. Was the sacking right or wrong thing to do? It doesn't even mean much anymore, he was sacked anyway. It would be unfair to compare Pellegrini to Mancini. Two completely different kind of managers with completely different kind of aims as far as how to set up a team.

If we were talking about judging Sorriano and ESPECIALLY Beguiristain we could make this sort of comparisons but we are talking about Pellegrini. Just as Hughes sacking was never Mancini's fault, Mancini sacking is no way related to Pellegrini's performance as a manager.

[Ted Hughes]

Bridges,

You clearly stated that "[You were] particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance."

That is quite clearly an unnecessary unspecific and unsubstantiated criticism of Mancini offering no evidence or reasons why you believe this to be the case.
I am sorry but what happened on Sunday was fuck all to do with anyone other than Pellergrini, his choice of team, set up and tactics.

It's utter fuckin nonsense...unless you can prove otherwise.
Go for it.

Seeing as I think I know what he means & partly agree with him, I recon he is referring to the slowness & lack of invention in the attacking play which was a common characteristic of Mancini's teams when faced with similar opposition, especially Sunderland.

I thought Mancini was utterly useless & devoid of ideas in such circumstances & we just tended to repeat the same move for 90 mins. with no 'plan B' & any width we could have had tended to be played on the wrong side, thus unable to put a cross in.

I agree re the first half performance, but I thought the 2nd half performance was a considerable improvement on the last few attempts there & we tried a lot more avenues of attack rather than trying to pass through the middle of the penalty area all the time. We brought on a wide player, which brought crosses & corner kicks & we really should have capitalised on some of it.

Where he did go 'Mancini' was replacing a fullback with a fullback when he should have been chucking another striker on & going for it, but few managers from outside these shores do 'kitchen sink' properly.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Bridges,

You clearly stated that "[You were] particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance."

That is quite clearly an unnecessary unspecific and unsubstantiated criticism of Mancini offering no evidence or reasons why you believe this to be the case.
I am sorry but what happened on Sunday was fuck all to do with anyone other than Pellergrini, his choice of team, set up and tactics.

It's utter fuckin nonsense...unless you can prove otherwise.
Go for it.

I don't quite believe that I have to break the post down for you. But here goes. I was NOT blaming mancini for Sundays performance. Not even slightly. I was blaming pellegrini. I was saying that away performances like that were one of the reasons I started to lose faith in mancini so if pellegrini gives us more performances like that he'll be on his way to. It's not hard to understand yet you've completely missed the point twice now. Let's see if you can get it this time. Good luck.

[john68]

Bridges, You clearly stated that "[You were] particularly unhappy as that was basically a Mancini away performance." That is quite clearly an unnecessary unspecific and unsubstantiated criticism of Mancini offering no evidence or reasons why you believe this to be the case. I am sorry but what happened on Sunday was fuck all to do with anyone other than Pellergrini, his choice of team, set up and tactics. It's utter fuckin nonsense...unless you can prove otherwise. Go for it.

No offense mate but surely the proof is the exact same score there last season?

No offence taken Lee.
The result may have been identical but the reasons are totally different. Our problem now, is our problem now and those last year were then. Totally irrelevant to our present situation mate.

[john68]

I well understand your point Bridges but it is both pointless and nonsense. Which is my point.
Read my reply to Lee.
What happened last year (or any other fuckkin year) is irrelevant to our present situation and dragging last year up is pointless.

It really is as simple as that. NONSENSE AND POINTLESS