Panti Or Hart

[Mike J]

Phillipe Courtois may be the answer, getting rave reviews for Athletico and is keeping Mignolet out of the Belgium team.

I am very surprised he is still on loan, I wouldnt be surprised to see him as Chelseas number 1 next season with a decent World Cup under his belt

Best keeper in the world for me at the minute. If city are thinking about replacing hart he'd be my No1 target. Highly doubt chelsea will sell him though. They cant keep him and cech happy though

[Wonderwall]

Phillipe Courtois may be the answer, getting rave reviews for Athletico and is keeping Mignolet out of the Belgium team.

I am very surprised he is still on loan, I wouldnt be surprised to see him as Chelseas number 1 next season with a decent World Cup under his belt

Best keeper in the world for me at the minute. If city are thinking about replacing hart he'd be my No1 target. Highly doubt chelsea will sell him though. They cant keep him and cech happy though

I think Chelsea will extend his contract and keep him on loan at Athletico for another year, however, Mr Kompany might have a word in his ear in the summer tournament. He is a top keeper, and if Pellers is set on replacing Joe, then this would also be my No1 target.

[Herb]

I wonder what agreement we have with Panti behind the scenes. He's clearly better than a bog-standard PL No.13 (e.g. Hilario, Harper) and also seems to be very serious about being No.1 for his country. I can't imagine he's on more than about £20k per week, a wage he could pick up at a bottom-half club whilst also playing every week.

Stretford have a similar thing going on with Lindegaard, who's also very capable and in his prime. I wonder what keeps these guys motivated.

We all know that one clanger from Panti and Joe's back between the sticks.

I know where you're coming from Ali but I must make the moral case because if Joe H was allowed freedom to fumble and fuck-up regularly for 18+ months then Costel deserves at least the rest of this season to prove himself. I'm not saying that we shouldn't buy-in a back up for him, if it's thought that Joe's not going to get decent enough for reserve purposes in the short-term, but the ethical position is that Costel should have as much of our respect and patience as Joe had . . . . . . . . . . or perhaps a little less because 18+ months of putting up with Joe's comedy capers was a bit excessive!

[Breks]

I know where you're coming from Ali but I must make the moral case because if Joe H was allowed freedom to fumble and fuck-up regularly for 18+ months then Costel deserves at least the rest of this season to prove himself. I'm not saying that we shouldn't buy-in a back up for him, if it's thought that Joe's not going to get decent enough for reserve purposes in the short-term, but the ethical position is that Costel should have as much of our respect and patience as Joe had . . . . . . . . . . or perhaps a little less because 18+ months of putting up with Joe's comedy capers was a bit excessive!

Totally agree with you pal.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I wonder what agreement we have with Panti behind the scenes. He's clearly better than a bog-standard PL No.13 (e.g. Hilario, Harper) and also seems to be very serious about being No.1 for his country. I can't imagine he's on more than about £20k per week, a wage he could pick up at a bottom-half club whilst also playing every week.

Stretford have a similar thing going on with Lindegaard, who's also very capable and in his prime. I wonder what keeps these guys motivated.

We all know that one clanger from Panti and Joe's back between the sticks.

I know where you're coming from Ali but I must make the moral case because if Joe H was allowed freedom to fumble and fuck-up regularly for 18+ months then Costel deserves at least the rest of this season to prove himself. I'm not saying that we shouldn't buy-in a back up for him, if it's thought that Joe's not going to get decent enough for reserve purposes in the short-term, but the ethical position is that Costel should have as much of our respect and patience as Joe had . . . . . . . . . . or perhaps a little less because 18+ months of putting up with Joe's comedy capers was a bit excessive!

Except of course that Joe has PROVED he can be world class keeper. Panti hasn't.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I wonder what agreement we have with Panti behind the scenes. He's clearly better than a bog-standard PL No.13 (e.g. Hilario, Harper) and also seems to be very serious about being No.1 for his country. I can't imagine he's on more than about £20k per week, a wage he could pick up at a bottom-half club whilst also playing every week.

Stretford have a similar thing going on with Lindegaard, who's also very capable and in his prime. I wonder what keeps these guys motivated.

We all know that one clanger from Panti and Joe's back between the sticks.

I know where you're coming from Ali but I must make the moral case because if Joe H was allowed freedom to fumble and fuck-up regularly for 18+ months then Costel deserves at least the rest of this season to prove himself. I'm not saying that we shouldn't buy-in a back up for him, if it's thought that Joe's not going to get decent enough for reserve purposes in the short-term, but the ethical position is that Costel should have as much of our respect and patience as Joe had . . . . . . . . . . or perhaps a little less because 18+ months of putting up with Joe's comedy capers was a bit excessive!

Except of course that Joe has PROVED he can be world class keeper. Panti hasn't.

You're right NQDP, Joe has built up a lot of good will because he was arguably the Premier League's best keeper for three years on the trot, that's why both Mancini and Pellegrini persevered with him despite his drop in form. The same faith can't be extended to Pantillimon, yet, as he hasn't proven himself. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me.

[Sideshow Bob]

You're right NQDP, Joe has built up a lot of good will because he was arguably the Premier League's best keeper for three years on the trot, that's why both Mancini and Pellegrini persevered with him despite his drop in form. The same faith can't be extended to Pantillimon, yet, as he hasn't proven himself. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me.

best PL keeper for 3 years on the trot...surely this is a clarkie?? hart has been at best average and at worst UTTER FUCKING DOGSHIT for nearly 2 years!!!

[Foreverinbluedreams]

You're right NQDP, Joe has built up a lot of good will because he was arguably the Premier League's best keeper for three years on the trot, that's why both Mancini and Pellegrini persevered with him despite his drop in form. The same faith can't be extended to Pantillimon, yet, as he hasn't proven himself. How people fail to grasp that is beyond me.

best PL keeper for 3 years on the trot...surely this is a clarkie?? hart has been at best average and at worst UTTER FUCKING DOGSHIT for nearly 2 years!!!

Sorry, no idea what a 'clarkie' is.

2009/10 PFA goalkeeper of the year
2011/12 PFA goalkeeper of the year

Van Der Sar won it in between but don't think there was much to choose between them that year and feel VDS got the nod because he was retiring that year.

It's 2 years now is it? Not 18 months?

[Herb]

Blue Dreams, that goalkeeper of the year thing is absolute bollox because most of Joe's glory came from sitting behind a solid defence - might be worth you looking at the stats for saves made from shots in % terms because that might draw your attention to the fact that Joe Hart was nothing more than a very good shot stopper when at his very best and that he's always been either average or poor in all other goal keeping areas. We all wish he'd been better but he wasn't.
He can't handle a cross and never has been able to, he can't distribute quickly (must always fuck about until the opportunity's lost), he can't distribute accurately (hopeful punts in the main and often into the stand), he can't command his defence to the degree that the defenders have long since ignored his shouts when he bothers to make them and his positioning is terrible.
You might not see beyond his good looks and golden locks but the opposition are keenly aware of his failings and they've exploited them at our cost too often!

Joe Hart has not proven himself as a top international keeper. He is perhaps the best English keeper out there but that's only because we have shite keepers in England.

And please don't think it's personal because nobody's having a pop at Joe, we all wanted him to do well and we all supported him through a bad time but he didn't get better and it cost us dearly. The fact is that our trophy cabinet is lacking silverware (think of all the thousands of loyal Blues wasting money on the trip to Wembly last year - all because he couldn't handle the one shot he had to save?). We truly gave him more time than we could afford and he's now out and deserves to stay out whereas Costel is in and deserves to stay in so how about getting behind our current keeper rather than going on endlessly about loser Joe?

[Beefymcfc]

Remember, Joe is just having a rest.

[Herb]

Remember, Joe is just having a rest.

Well let's hope it's a rest for the rest of the season because I'd like us to be in with a shout for a trophy and that's not going to happen if the 'has-been in green' gets his clumsy paws on the jersey . . .

Having said that I'm sure it'd be on the floor if you threw it at him to catch.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Surprise, surprise, there's a Herb post following mine, sorry Strawman you're still on my ignore list.

I'd put my mortgage on there being some fucking idiotic reference to Hart's hair in your post somewhere.

[Herb]

Surprise, surprise, there's a Herb post following mine, sorry Strawman you're still on my ignore list.

I'd put my mortgage on there being some fucking idiotic reference to Hart's hair in your post somewhere.

Well done ForeverUpJoesArse, That's magic, I just love the way you put it out that you ignore me but you still can't help but post a reply to the post you didn't read. . . sort of don't want to know but so intrigued that you can't let go eh?

Oh, and if you ever do read my response to your post responding to my post that you didn't read then you'll see that you were half right as I did indeed make a reference to Hart's fucking idiotic hair . . . the hair you focus your life on . . . the hair you'd love to stroke . . . the hair that stops you from seeing the truth . . the magic dangerous truth-hiding hair that controls your every thought and every breath . . and . . oh I can't be arsed going on but you'll get the drift.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I really find it strange that a City fan can be so OTT strong in his condemnation of a City player who is is considered by so many to be the best keeper England has bar none. No problems with the criticism of him and wanting him dropped but the strength of feeling is quite amazing.

[zuricity]

I think Chelsea will extend his contract and keep him on loan at Athletico for another year, however, Mr Kompany might have a word in his ear in the summer tournament. He is a top keeper, and if Pellers is set on replacing Joe, then this would also be my No1 target.

Word in his ear, with a view to joining him at Athletico ?

[carl_feedthegoat]

I really find it strange that a City fan can be so OTT strong in his condemnation of a City player who is is considered by so many to be the best keeper England has bar none. No problems with the criticism of him and wanting him dropped but the strength of feeling is quite amazing.

Harts tele ads and arrogance, along with his best mates group of scum mates from across the City probably have a lot to do with the resentment Doug.............maybe if the cunt was a little bit more humble then he would get more support.

If he starts doing his job better on a regular basis then people might not vent so much his way,....we have been waiting 19 months so far for that to happen.!

[Herb]

As a special response to Doug H, a man I have tremendous respect for.

In my defence I must point out that I gave Joe Hart my full support right through the issues he endured last season, that I really wanted him to start this season in flying form and that I was gutted when he came back playing even worse than last season.
I'm convinced, along with about 90% of us, that dropping him was the right thing to do but I do still quite like the fella (even if I'm not impressed with him being best mate to any rag that winks at him) and I'd applaud him if he turned out for us in the next game because I always applaud all of our players.

I admit that I have gone on about Joe's issues like a stuck record but that's not because of any hate for the man but as a retort to counter the odd notion that he's a world class keeper - which is something that he might be one day if he gets his head down and gets a lot better. In the interim I'd like to see Costel given the grace of the rest of this season to prove himself but that's just my opinion.

[Beefymcfc]

I do believe that Joe blamed a lot of his form on Mancini and also believe that Pellers has noticed this. A shot across the bow may do the trick and if he gets back to his young self then I don't think many can complain.

Panti over Joe, on form, come on?

[Douglas Higginbottom]

As a special response to Doug H, a man I have tremendous respect for.

In my defence I must point out that I gave Joe Hart my full support right through the issues he endured last season, that I really wanted him to start this season in flying form and that I was gutted when he came back playing even worse than last season.
I'm convinced, along with about 90% of us, that dropping him was the right thing to do but I do still quite like the fella (even if I'm not impressed with him being best mate to any rag that winks at him) and I'd applaud him if he turned out for us in the next game because I always applaud all of our players.

I admit that I have gone on about Joe's issues like a stuck record but that's not because of any hate for the man but as a retort to counter the odd notion that he's a world class keeper - which is something that he might be one day if he gets his head down and gets a lot better. In the interim I'd like to see Costel given the grace of the rest of this season to prove himself but that's just my opinion.

Fair enough.As I said it wasn't the opinion but the venom that seemed to be in it. I do think if Joe comes back next game or very soon Pants will be suitably gutted and look for the door.I wouldn't blame him.I have no doubt he has ambitions to be the best in the world.That might be a pipe dream but I think it's real in his thinking and he won't do it as a number 2 obviously.Whoever persuaded him to stay at City did a good job.

Similarly though I think if Joe doesn't get back sooner rather than later his ambitions to play for England in the world cup will almost force him to look elsewhere.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Still talking bollox I see Herb. You had plenty of retorts to me filled with venom towards Hart and not once did I say he's 'world class'.