international games

[Spurge]

Hart showed he is a quality keeper who can occasionally make rash decisions on when to race out to a long ball. And although v Chelsea and again tonight he probably should have stayed put BUT in both cases had a poor centre half not got in the way he would have cleared the ball both times.

He doesn't need to clear the ball though. The only thing he can do there is head it and him heading it is far more risky then allowing the centre back to simply head it back to him. Smalling has it covered and If Hart stays on his line it's a simple header back. Really poor decision to come out and got lucky tonight.

I don't agree.

I think Hart was well aware that Smalling was not having a good game and he was all at sea in this particular passage of play. Hart made a decision quickly and took responsibility, he calledthe play early and Smalling chose to ignore him in keeping with his overall panicky performance and as a consequence obstructed Hart.

Yes England got lucky but this time it was not down to Hart unlike the judgement call he made at Chelsea.

Considering the level of pressure he's been under recently I was pleased it hadn't dented his confidence where taking responsibility is concerned. As Hodgson has said his record under his management suggests he has never let England down and that continued to be the case last night.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Hart showed he is a quality keeper who can occasionally make rash decisions on when to race out to a long ball. And although v Chelsea and again tonight he probably should have stayed put BUT in both cases had a poor centre half not got in the way he would have cleared the ball both times.

He doesn't need to clear the ball though. The only thing he can do there is head it and him heading it is far more risky then allowing the centre back to simply head it back to him. Smalling has it covered and If Hart stays on his line it's a simple header back. Really poor decision to come out and got lucky tonight.

I don't agree.

I think Hart was well aware that Smalling was not having a good game and he was all at sea in this particular passage of play. Hart made a decision quickly and took responsibility, he calledthe play early and Smalling chose to ignore him in keeping with his overall panicky performance and as a consequence obstructed Hart.

Yes England got lucky but this time it was not down to Hart unlike the judgement call he made at Chelsea.

Considering the level of pressure he's been under recently I was pleased it hadn't dented his confidence where taking responsibility is concerned. As Hodgson has said his record under his management suggests he has never let England down and that continued to be the case last night.

But the decision to come out was a wrong one. Even if Smalling ignored him, the only thing Hart can do is head it and he risks heading it straight to an opposition player who would then have an unguarded net to aim for.
But Smalling was in a far better position to deal with the ball than Hart and Smalling heading back to hart is a far safer option than Hart trying to head it out himself. I don't blame Smalling just as I didn't blame Nasti because as a centre back, that's your ball to deal with, not the keepers. You can't take chances. I'm all for Joe taking responsibility but not when it's not his responsibility to take.
There was no need for Hart to come out there. At all. He needs to stop these rash charges out the penalty area.

[getdressedmctavish]

I think i'm in the small minority that really doesn't rate Townsend either. He's just another fast winger that will get found out pretty quickly for being very one dimensional. He's fast but with little end product and we're all too familiar with that type of player as England produce a lot of them. There is no way Townsend is ever gonna make a difference at a high level. Yeah he'll play well against a Finland or some other dross, but against a good team? Very little chance. He does a nice dribble here and there but nowt tends to come from them. I'll give it a year or so before every realises he's no more than a decent impact sub.


got to disagree with that. no end product...two posts and a goal in 3 games plus a load of crosses

just another fast English winger like...lik....like who?

one dimensional......you mean can play wide left or wide right, go outside and cross or inside and shoot or lay it into someone's path is one dimensional

oh yes I forgot...he plays for Spuds.....hopeless then.

[Beefymcfc]

Same book Splurge, some of them will just fight the fight, just because .............

[phips]

well Barcelona and Dortmund sure are fucked after this recent string of completely useless international friendlies

[Dameerto]

Who do you want heading/chesting the ball outside the area under pressure from an opposing player? - someone who's best position is central defender and who is effectively the second to last line of defense (even allowing for it being Smalling that we're talking about) or a goalkeeper who will be the last man? I can't see how you can claim Hart made the right decision. At all.

[MilnersJaw]

Who do you want heading/chesting the ball outside the area under pressure from an opposing player? - someone who's best position is central defender and who is effectively the second to last line of defense (even allowing for it being Smalling that we're talking about) or a goalkeeper who will be the last man? I can't see how you can claim Hart made the right decision. At all.

joe die-hards. gotta give them credit, they have hart.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Who do you want heading/chesting the ball outside the area under pressure from an opposing player? - someone who's best position is central defender and who is effectively the second to last line of defense (even allowing for it being Smalling that we're talking about) or a goalkeeper who will be the last man? I can't see how you can claim Hart made the right decision. At all.

Pretty much sums up what I was saying. Doesn't matter if Hart was screaming, it was the wrong decision.

[Dameerto]

Who do you want heading/chesting the ball outside the area under pressure from an opposing player? - someone who's best position is central defender and who is effectively the second to last line of defense (even allowing for it being Smalling that we're talking about) or a goalkeeper who will be the last man? I can't see how you can claim Hart made the right decision. At all.

joe die-hards. gotta give them credit, they have hart.

I'm not anti-Hart by the way, apart from that one thing he had a good game for England.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Who do you want heading/chesting the ball outside the area under pressure from an opposing player? - someone who's best position is central defender and who is effectively the second to last line of defense (even allowing for it being Smalling that we're talking about) or a goalkeeper who will be the last man? I can't see how you can claim Hart made the right decision. At all.

joe die-hards. gotta give them credit, they have hart.

I've backed Hart against the bandwagon of castigation, exaggeration and retardation but I can't see why he came for that ball. When he did he clearly shouted, so I can't understand why that fucking dufus still went for it but Hart made the wrong decision in the first place.

[twosips]

What's to say Smalling even heard Hart? Hart shouldn't presume just cos he's shouted that all of a sudden everything is clear and Smalling should just totally switch off. Smalling is clearly shit, but Hart made a pretty awful decision in the first place and only confused matters.

[Ted Hughes]

Who do you want heading/chesting the ball outside the area under pressure from an opposing player? - someone who's best position is central defender and who is effectively the second to last line of defense (even allowing for it being Smalling that we're talking about) or a goalkeeper who will be the last man? I can't see how you can claim Hart made the right decision. At all.

joe die-hards. gotta give them credit, they have hart.

I'm not anti-Hart by the way, apart from that one thing he had a good game for England.

I thought so too.

If he hadn't made that horrendous fuckup, I would be seriously thinking he should be back in. But if he did come back in & did it again, especially costing us the game, it would be three Kamikaze efforts in 3 consecutive games & nobody in the team or crowd would trust him to do anything; it could fuck him up for good.

Better he plays a couple of minor, Kamikaze-incident free games before being reinstated imo.

[Cit.revenge]

Sorry for Sweden , i like the way they play more then Greece or France or Croatia .England is really mystery to me. They have great players but when u watch them average and average all the time.Like how Columbia play for me dark horse.

[Spurge]

Hart showed he is a quality keeper who can occasionally make rash decisions on when to race out to a long ball. And although v Chelsea and again tonight he probably should have stayed put BUT in both cases had a poor centre half not got in the way he would have cleared the ball both times.

He doesn't need to clear the ball though. The only thing he can do there is head it and him heading it is far more risky then allowing the centre back to simply head it back to him. Smalling has it covered and If Hart stays on his line it's a simple header back. Really poor decision to come out and got lucky tonight.

I don't agree.

I think Hart was well aware that Smalling was not having a good game and he was all at sea in this particular passage of play. Hart made a decision quickly and took responsibility, he calledthe play early and Smalling chose to ignore him in keeping with his overall panicky performance and as a consequence obstructed Hart.

Yes England got lucky but this time it was not down to Hart unlike the judgement call he made at Chelsea.

Considering the level of pressure he's been under recently I was pleased it hadn't dented his confidence where taking responsibility is concerned. As Hodgson has said his record under his management suggests he has never let England down and that continued to be the case last night.

But the decision to come out was a wrong one. Even if Smalling ignored him, the only thing Hart can do is head it and he risks heading it straight to an opposition player who would then have an unguarded net to aim for.
But Smalling was in a far better position to deal with the ball than Hart and Smalling heading back to hart is a far safer option than Hart trying to head it out himself. I don't blame Smalling just as I didn't blame Nasti because as a centre back, that's your ball to deal with, not the keepers. You can't take chances. I'm all for Joe taking responsibility but not when it's not his responsibility to take.
There was no need for Hart to come out there. At all. He needs to stop these rash charges out the penalty area.

The two situations were very different. I don't blame nasti for the Chelsea incident - he unlike smalling new exactly what he was doing, he unlike smalling was in control of the situation, he even did the text book thing where playing back to the keeper is concerned and headed away from goal to safeguard against an OG.

Smalling on the other hand was all at sea, he did not have the ball under control, he was in serious danger of losing his man and as I've said Joe sensed it and took responsibility for it. Had he had headed it as you suggest the ball would have travelled away from goal - if he leaves it and smalling doesn't deal with it, it's one on one.

I do have a very different view to you BRF and I'm not trying to see this through blue tinted glasses, just an honest view and of course you are entitled to your own view.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Hart showed he is a quality keeper who can occasionally make rash decisions on when to race out to a long ball. And although v Chelsea and again tonight he probably should have stayed put BUT in both cases had a poor centre half not got in the way he would have cleared the ball both times.

He doesn't need to clear the ball though. The only thing he can do there is head it and him heading it is far more risky then allowing the centre back to simply head it back to him. Smalling has it covered and If Hart stays on his line it's a simple header back. Really poor decision to come out and got lucky tonight.

I don't agree.

I think Hart was well aware that Smalling was not having a good game and he was all at sea in this particular passage of play. Hart made a decision quickly and took responsibility, he calledthe play early and Smalling chose to ignore him in keeping with his overall panicky performance and as a consequence obstructed Hart.

Yes England got lucky but this time it was not down to Hart unlike the judgement call he made at Chelsea.

Considering the level of pressure he's been under recently I was pleased it hadn't dented his confidence where taking responsibility is concerned. As Hodgson has said his record under his management suggests he has never let England down and that continued to be the case last night.

But the decision to come out was a wrong one. Even if Smalling ignored him, the only thing Hart can do is head it and he risks heading it straight to an opposition player who would then have an unguarded net to aim for.
But Smalling was in a far better position to deal with the ball than Hart and Smalling heading back to hart is a far safer option than Hart trying to head it out himself. I don't blame Smalling just as I didn't blame Nasti because as a centre back, that's your ball to deal with, not the keepers. You can't take chances. I'm all for Joe taking responsibility but not when it's not his responsibility to take.
There was no need for Hart to come out there. At all. He needs to stop these rash charges out the penalty area.

The two situations were very different. I don't blame nasti for the Chelsea incident - he unlike smalling new exactly what he was doing, he unlike smalling was in control of the situation, he even did the text book thing where playing back to the keeper is concerned and headed away from goal to safeguard against an OG.

Smalling on the other hand was all at sea, he did not have the ball under control, he was in serious danger of losing his man and as I've said Joe sensed it and took responsibility for it. Had he had headed it as you suggest the ball would have travelled away from goal - if he leaves it and smalling doesn't deal with it, it's one on one.

I do have a very different view to you BRF and I'm not trying to see this through blue tinted glasses, just an honest view and of course you are entitled to your own view.

By all means have your own view.
But the question remains, who do you want challenging for that ball, your centre back or keeper? Smalling imo did have that situation under control and Hart rushing out put him under unnecessary pressure.
And yes Hart may have headed it away from goal but last season he headed it away from goal in a similar situation to Ibrahmiovic who scored. Yes that was a wonder goal but with the keeper so far out his goal he risks leaving an unguarded net.

The prospect of a one on one if Smalling misses it, is far better for us that the prospect of an opposition player having an empty net to aim for.

Hart has now let in numerous goals for us and England by charging out his area when the situation absolutely did not call for it.
It was a very poor decision to come out for the ball and just created an unnecessary risk.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

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Smalling had control, it was Hart rushing out which created a risk out of nothing.

[twosips]

Really can't disagree with that sadly ^

Smalling was about to deal with it and Hart totally went through him unnecessarily.

[dazby]

Egypt lost one game in qualifying and are out. Mexico won two games before their playoff with NZ and are in.

Sort it out Africa.

[Slim]

Egypt lost one game in qualifying and are out. Mexico won two games before their playoff with NZ and are in.

Sort it out Africa.

Mexico won 8 games.

[JamieMCFC]

Egypt lost one game in qualifying and are out. Mexico won two games before their playoff with NZ and are in. Sort it out Africa.

You should really research before you post. You are only taking the results from the fourth round of qualification for CONACAF. Mexico along with the U.S. and Honduras entered in the third round. They played 6 games that round and Mexico won all 6.