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[Spurge]

He doesn't need to clear the ball though. The only thing he can do there is head it and him heading it is far more risky then allowing the centre back to simply head it back to him. Smalling has it covered and If Hart stays on his line it's a simple header back. Really poor decision to come out and got lucky tonight.

I don't agree.

I think Hart was well aware that Smalling was not having a good game and he was all at sea in this particular passage of play. Hart made a decision quickly and took responsibility, he calledthe play early and Smalling chose to ignore him in keeping with his overall panicky performance and as a consequence obstructed Hart.

Yes England got lucky but this time it was not down to Hart unlike the judgement call he made at Chelsea.

Considering the level of pressure he's been under recently I was pleased it hadn't dented his confidence where taking responsibility is concerned. As Hodgson has said his record under his management suggests he has never let England down and that continued to be the case last night.

But the decision to come out was a wrong one. Even if Smalling ignored him, the only thing Hart can do is head it and he risks heading it straight to an opposition player who would then have an unguarded net to aim for.
But Smalling was in a far better position to deal with the ball than Hart and Smalling heading back to hart is a far safer option than Hart trying to head it out himself. I don't blame Smalling just as I didn't blame Nasti because as a centre back, that's your ball to deal with, not the keepers. You can't take chances. I'm all for Joe taking responsibility but not when it's not his responsibility to take.
There was no need for Hart to come out there. At all. He needs to stop these rash charges out the penalty area.

The two situations were very different. I don't blame nasti for the Chelsea incident - he unlike smalling new exactly what he was doing, he unlike smalling was in control of the situation, he even did the text book thing where playing back to the keeper is concerned and headed away from goal to safeguard against an OG.

Smalling on the other hand was all at sea, he did not have the ball under control, he was in serious danger of losing his man and as I've said Joe sensed it and took responsibility for it. Had he had headed it as you suggest the ball would have travelled away from goal - if he leaves it and smalling doesn't deal with it, it's one on one.

I do have a very different view to you BRF and I'm not trying to see this through blue tinted glasses, just an honest view and of course you are entitled to your own view.

By all means have your own view.
But the question remains, who do you want challenging for that ball, your centre back or keeper? Smalling imo did have that situation under control and Hart rushing out put him under unnecessary pressure.
And yes Hart may have headed it away from goal but last season he headed it away from goal in a similar situation to Ibrahmiovic who scored. Yes that was a wonder goal but with the keeper so far out his goal he risks leaving an unguarded net.

The prospect of a one on one if Smalling misses it, is far better for us that the prospect of an opposition player having an empty net to aim for.

Hart has now let in numerous goals for us and England by charging out his area when the situation absolutely did not call for it.
It was a very poor decision to come out for the ball and just created an unnecessary risk.

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

I agree with you on there not being a need for Hart to come out but what are these calamitous errors he's making in almost every game? The Chelsea one and the one we're talking about here, what other ones?

Against Bayern he should've done better with Ribery's goal and possibly Robben's but they weren't calamitous errors. The first Campbell goal against Cardiff he flapped but it should be noted that the Cardiff player was backing into him, again he probably should've done better but it wasn't calamitous on his part.

The last clanger before this in a City shirt was against Southampton last February. How many games has he played since that?

His form has dipped but you sound like a tabloid hack with the way you're describing his performances, sensationalising, exaggerating and over analysing every little thing.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

I agree with you on there not being a need for Hart to come out but what are these calamitous errors he's making in almost every game? The Chelsea one and the one we're talking about here, what other ones?

Against Bayern he should've done better with Ribery's goal and possibly Robben's but they weren't calamitous errors. The first Campbell goal against Cardiff he flapped but it should be noted that the Cardiff player was backing into him, again he probably should've done better but it wasn't calamitous on his part.

The last clanger before this in a City shirt was against Southampton last February. How many games has he played since that?

His form has dipped but you sound like a tabloid hack with the way you're describing his performances, sensationalising, exaggerating and over analysing every little thing.

How about West Ham at home last season? Where he dropped the ball through his legs? Or Villa this season when he came storming out and missed the ball.Perhaps 'calamitous' was over the top. But still, he's made far, far too many errors over the last few months. Great players learn from their mistakes, not repeat them and his insistence on charging out for the ball, especially after seeing what happened at Chelsea is worrying.

I have nothing against him and at his best there are few better but he's costing us points far too often at the moment.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

I agree with you on there not being a need for Hart to come out but what are these calamitous errors he's making in almost every game? The Chelsea one and the one we're talking about here, what other ones?

Against Bayern he should've done better with Ribery's goal and possibly Robben's but they weren't calamitous errors. The first Campbell goal against Cardiff he flapped but it should be noted that the Cardiff player was backing into him, again he probably should've done better but it wasn't calamitous on his part.

The last clanger before this in a City shirt was against Southampton last February. How many games has he played since that?

His form has dipped but you sound like a tabloid hack with the way you're describing his performances, sensationalising, exaggerating and over analysing every little thing.

How about West Ham at home last season? Where he dropped the ball through his legs? Or Villa this season when he came storming out and missed the ball.Perhaps 'calamitous' was over the top. But still, he's made far, far too many errors over the last few months. Great players learn from their mistakes, not repeat them and his insistence on charging out for the ball, especially after seeing what happened at Chelsea is worrying.

I have nothign against him and at his best there are few better but he's costing us points far too often at the moment.

Fair enough on the Carrol goal, he should've got behind it better but the shot was from seven yards out at pace. You'd expect Joe to save it though.

The Villa goal he could do nothing about, I guess he felt he should try close Weimann down after Nasty/Kompany fucked up.

Aluko's miss when we played Hull, was that calamitous from Joe to come out? His pressure put Aluko off, I guess if it had gone in then Joe would be getting castigated for that too?

For my money he's cost us two points this season.

[Dameerto]

I can remember three times off the top of my head including the England one where he runs out of his area to challenge for a ball that a defender is already covering, twice could be coincidence but three times points to either a control issue or a trust issue in my opinion. Either of which could be worked on with a sports shrink. If he doesn't work it out he will do it again sooner or later and we risk letting a goal in if it goes tits up.

[Spurge]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

Ibra goal - you've answered it yourself - AGAIN. A 'wonder goal' how often in that sort of passage of play is that going in the back of the net? 1/100 at best that's why you are describing it as a wonder goal and that was why it was a particularly poor example to support your argument.

The 'numerous examples' in an England shirt - there are hardly any, Hodgson himself referred to his record between the sticks since he had become manager and rightly pointed out that Hart had never let him down. But you seem to think he's made numerous mistakes for England, unless you can support this statement with clear examples (better than the WONDER goal example which has no credibility) then you shouldn't really make them as people will conclude you have got it in for him.

As for your video footage - which is only the very end of the passage of play and doesn't show in anyway Smallings uncertainty as a result of the poor position he had taken up, it does at the same time show that Hart had his eyes firmly on the ball and would have headed away from danger.

So we go back to why Hart was there in the first place, which goes beyond the passage of play in question.

Smalling had had a poor game, he was nervous and his positional play had been poor all match. Hart took this into consideration as well as having seen Smallings starting position in this passage of play and assumed responsibility, he called it very early and his defender didn't listen.

Hart has made mistakes for City during last season and this, he was rightly dropped from the starting line up against Chelsea, but lets not get carried away with the 'situation' and consider things a little more carefully before passing judgement on each and every incident that ensues.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

Ibra goal - you've answered it yourself - AGAIN. A 'wonder goal' how often in that sort of passage of play is that going in the back of the net? 1/100 at best that's why you are describing it as a wonder goal and that was why it was a particularly poor example to support your argument.

The 'numerous examples' in an England shirt - there are hardly any, Hodgson himself referred to his record between the sticks since he had become manager and rightly pointed out that Hart had never let him down. But you seem to think he's made numerous mistakes for England, unless you can support this statement with clear examples (better than the WONDER goal example which has no credibility) then you shouldn't really make them as people will conclude you have got it in for him.

As for your video footage - which is only the very end of the passage of play and doesn't show in anyway Smallings uncertainty as a result of the poor position he had taken up, it does at the same time show that Hart had his eyes firmly on the ball and would have headed away from danger.

So we go back to why Hart was there in the first place, which goes beyond the passage of play in question.

Smalling had had a poor game, he was nervous and his positional play had been poor all match. Hart took this into consideration as well as having seen Smallings starting position in this passage of play and assumed responsibility, he called it very early and his defender didn't listen.

Hart has made mistakes for City during last season and this, he was rightly dropped from the starting line up against Chelsea, but lets not get carried away with the 'situation' and consider things a little more carefully before passing judgement on each and every incident that ensues.

Wondergoal or not, there was no need for Hart to head it in the first place and if he didn't come rushing out, it wouldn't have happened. Perfectly good example.


It doesn't matter whether Smalling was having a poor game. Hart was wrong, because SMALLING GOT THERE BEFORE THE ATTACKER. He had dealt with the situation and who do you want challenging their striker in the air, the keeper or centre back?
He didn't just get there first, he comfortably beat the attacker. It wasn't Hart's decision to make to come out.
If Hart misses that it's an open goal and even if he gets there and heads it, he's fucking 30 yards from his own goal and risks leaving an open net for an opposition player. I'd rather have Hart face a one on one, then him not be in the goal at all.
A keeper should never rush out his area unless he's the last man, which he wasn't.
How can you possibly claim that the Keeper should come out there? Baffles the mind.
The worrying thing is he hasn't learn t from the Chelsea error which was the final straw in costing him his place in our team.

[dazby]

You should really research before you post. You are only taking the results from the fourth round of qualification for CONACAF. Mexico along with the U.S. and Honduras entered in the third round. They played 6 games that round and Mexico won all 6.

Just quoting the Guardian podcast. Sorry.

[Slim]

You should really research before you post. You are only taking the results from the fourth round of qualification for CONACAF. Mexico along with the U.S. and Honduras entered in the third round. They played 6 games that round and Mexico won all 6.

Just quoting the Guardian podcast. Sorry.

I said all that in four words and didn't have a go at you in the process and you reply to him?

Fucking submissives everywhere.

[Spurge]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

Ibra goal - you've answered it yourself - AGAIN. A 'wonder goal' how often in that sort of passage of play is that going in the back of the net? 1/100 at best that's why you are describing it as a wonder goal and that was why it was a particularly poor example to support your argument.

The 'numerous examples' in an England shirt - there are hardly any, Hodgson himself referred to his record between the sticks since he had become manager and rightly pointed out that Hart had never let him down. But you seem to think he's made numerous mistakes for England, unless you can support this statement with clear examples (better than the WONDER goal example which has no credibility) then you shouldn't really make them as people will conclude you have got it in for him.

As for your video footage - which is only the very end of the passage of play and doesn't show in anyway Smallings uncertainty as a result of the poor position he had taken up, it does at the same time show that Hart had his eyes firmly on the ball and would have headed away from danger.

So we go back to why Hart was there in the first place, which goes beyond the passage of play in question.

Smalling had had a poor game, he was nervous and his positional play had been poor all match. Hart took this into consideration as well as having seen Smallings starting position in this passage of play and assumed responsibility, he called it very early and his defender didn't listen.

Hart has made mistakes for City during last season and this, he was rightly dropped from the starting line up against Chelsea, but lets not get carried away with the 'situation' and consider things a little more carefully before passing judgement on each and every incident that ensues.

Wondergoal or not, there was no need for Hart to head it in the first place and if he didn't come rushing out, it wouldn't have happened. Perfectly good example.


It doesn't matter whether Smalling was having a poor game. Hart was wrong, because SMALLING GOT THERE BEFORE THE ATTACKER. He had dealt with the situation and who do you want challenging their striker in the air, the keeper or centre back?
He didn't just get there first, he comfortably beat the attacker. It wasn't Hart's decision to make to come out.
If Hart misses that it's an open goal and even if he gets there and heads it, he's fucking 30 yards from his own goal and risks leaving an open net for an opposition player. I'd rather have Hart face a one on one, then him not be in the goal at all.
A keeper should never rush out his area unless he's the last man, which he wasn't.
How can you possibly claim that the Keeper should come out there? Baffles the mind.
The[highlight]worrying[/highlight]thing is he hasn't learn t from the Chelsea error which was the final straw in costing him his place in our team.

Ok this really is my last post to you on the matter, I've already deviated from the Rugby league semi final (a pulsating contest incidentally) too many times.

1) Ibras goal is a VERY poor example, I've already explained this. By using the term wonder goal you are suggesting it's a 'one off'. If you use something as an example to back up a statement it needs to have credibility to the argument you make - what you said supports my argument better than it does your own, in that heading the ball away from goal in such circumstances is very unlikely to lead to the opposition scoring from it.

I was going to make other statements to support what I've said but based on the fact I've made them already and that you use examples that support my argument better than your own, I'd be wasting mine and indeed your time in doing so.

So stop worrying and start getting behind him, who knows you might even grow to like him.......

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Thanks for letting me have my own view - the ibra example is about as bad an example as you could give - you even say so yourself.

Roy Hodgson said Hart has never let him down so not sure about the 'numerous' goals conceded in this manner for England, sure there have been a few for City, but to me it seems like you are just looking for any opportunity to have a pop at Hart now.

Deffo case closed on this.

I'm not looking to have a pop at Hart. I'm assessing his judgement on numerous occasions in that he keeps making the same error and doesn't appear to be learning from it.
Why is the Ibra example a bad example? Yes it was a wonder goal, but if Hart hadn't come out his area to head the ball when he didn't need to it wouldn't have happened.
I have nothing against Hart but he's making a calamitous error almost every game he's playing at the moment.


Look at the video I posted on the previous page. You can clearly see Smalling gets to that ball BEFORE the opposition player. Then Hart goes through him. Smalling had that situation under control. How can you Smalling was 'out at sea' and in 'danger of losing his man' when he comfortably beat his man to the ball?
Even if Hart wins that ball, he massively risks heading it to an opposition player and leaving his goal unguarded. Or he risks missing the ball completely as he has done on a few occasions now.



How can you possibly think Hart made the right choice to come out there? Seriously? Watch the video again. If he does that this weekend, we probably won't be so lucky.

Ibra goal - you've answered it yourself - AGAIN. A 'wonder goal' how often in that sort of passage of play is that going in the back of the net? 1/100 at best that's why you are describing it as a wonder goal and that was why it was a particularly poor example to support your argument.

The 'numerous examples' in an England shirt - there are hardly any, Hodgson himself referred to his record between the sticks since he had become manager and rightly pointed out that Hart had never let him down. But you seem to think he's made numerous mistakes for England, unless you can support this statement with clear examples (better than the WONDER goal example which has no credibility) then you shouldn't really make them as people will conclude you have got it in for him.

As for your video footage - which is only the very end of the passage of play and doesn't show in anyway Smallings uncertainty as a result of the poor position he had taken up, it does at the same time show that Hart had his eyes firmly on the ball and would have headed away from danger.

So we go back to why Hart was there in the first place, which goes beyond the passage of play in question.

Smalling had had a poor game, he was nervous and his positional play had been poor all match. Hart took this into consideration as well as having seen Smallings starting position in this passage of play and assumed responsibility, he called it very early and his defender didn't listen.

Hart has made mistakes for City during last season and this, he was rightly dropped from the starting line up against Chelsea, but lets not get carried away with the 'situation' and consider things a little more carefully before passing judgement on each and every incident that ensues.

Wondergoal or not, there was no need for Hart to head it in the first place and if he didn't come rushing out, it wouldn't have happened. Perfectly good example.


It doesn't matter whether Smalling was having a poor game. Hart was wrong, because SMALLING GOT THERE BEFORE THE ATTACKER. He had dealt with the situation and who do you want challenging their striker in the air, the keeper or centre back?
He didn't just get there first, he comfortably beat the attacker. It wasn't Hart's decision to make to come out.
If Hart misses that it's an open goal and even if he gets there and heads it, he's fucking 30 yards from his own goal and risks leaving an open net for an opposition player. I'd rather have Hart face a one on one, then him not be in the goal at all.
A keeper should never rush out his area unless he's the last man, which he wasn't.
How can you possibly claim that the Keeper should come out there? Baffles the mind.
The[highlight]worrying[/highlight]thing is he hasn't learn t from the Chelsea error which was the final straw in costing him his place in our team.

Ok this really is my last post to you on the matter, I've already deviated from the Rugby league semi final (a pulsating contest incidentally) too many times.

1) Ibras goal is a VERY poor example, I've already explained this. By using the term wonder goal you are suggesting it's a 'one off'. If you use something as an example to back up a statement it needs to have credibility to the argument you make - what you said supports my argument better than it does your own, in that heading the ball away from goal in such circumstances is very unlikely to lead to the opposition scoring from it.

I was going to make other statements to support what I've said but based on the fact I've made them already and that you use examples that support my argument better than your own, I'd be wasting mine and indeed your time in doing so.

So stop worrying and start getting behind him, who knows you might even grow to like him.......

Ibra goal supports my poitn ffs.

I KNOW IT WAS A WONDERGOAL BUT HAD HART STAYED IN HIS GOAL AND LET HIS DEFENDERS DEAL WITH THE SITUATION IT WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED IN THE FIRST PLACE. If he would have let the two defenders who were back and both unchallenged play the ball, there would have been no goal. If that happens this weekend, I don't care how good the goal is, I don't care if the Spurs player knocks it in with his penis from 40 yards whilst facing his own goal, Hart will be rightly slated for charging out his goal when there is no need to.
It wasn't the right decision to come out in the first place. Smalling had it covered. I don't give a fuck if Hart thought he was having a bad game, it's irrelevant so I'll ask you again... Who do you want challenging for a header outside the area, your keeper or centre back?



It is never the right decision for a keeper to come out of his area to challenge unless he is the last man, and even then it's not always correct. Do you really think Hart coming out there was better than allowing Smalling to head it back to him?

I am behind Hart. But when he's making error after error and not learning from them, it's hard to have confidence in him.

[dazby]

You should really research before you post. You are only taking the results from the fourth round of qualification for CONACAF. Mexico along with the U.S. and Honduras entered in the third round. They played 6 games that round and Mexico won all 6.

Just quoting the Guardian podcast. Sorry.

I said all that in four words and didn't have a go at you in the process and you reply to him?

Fucking submissives everywhere.

Just spreading the love/hate evenly.