Entertainment vs Results

[Nigels Tackle]

There is only winning.

rag ;-)

[lets all have a disco]

You can have both.

Oh and threads like this are just designed to get the Italian defensive crew out of their shells.

[Blue2]

Entertainment for me. I'd be happier finishing third playing the way we do this season than second playing like we did last.

Thats not the key question though mate, is it? What about 2nd playing the way we do this season than first playing like we did last?

Results for me every time.

Grumpy git maybe, but not playing to potential and losing/ drawing when we should win fucks up my day/weekend big time.

[Twobob]

You can have both. Oh and threads like this are just designed to get the Italian defensive crew out of their shells.

Agree with this, no point in expanding on it as its a non-debate.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

The problem comes from believing they're mutually exclusive things. They're not. Entertaining teams can still grind out results too.

But put it this way - i don't think we'd be any higher in the league under Mancini this season and we would have scored a damn sight less so I can at least have more patience in a work in progress that is entertaining.

Brilliant post

Horrible post. I said they aren't mutually exclusive AND said this isn't about individual managers.

Horrible poll. It's pointless if you say in the post that they aren't mutually exclusive but then put a poll that is totally black and white and doesn't allow for shades of grey. Either option is far too weighted.

What would be the point of having "I want to win shit while playing great football". Everyone wants that. However that may not be always possible.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Which one do you see more important? Seeing flair football with lots of goals or do you see it as results business first and foremost. Would you take 1-0 win playing Pearce stylee over 5-5 thriller? Or do you expect to be entertained for your hard earned? Would you rather see us win league by playing "efective" football or finish second but have team playing football for ages Brazil 1982 style. And I know they are not mutually exclusive but sometimes manager has to make these calls planning for a game. And this is NOT about any individual manager but more how you see watching the game and City.

Pearce style 5-5 thriller?

We're you smoking crack when Pearce was here?

Please read that sentence again.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You can have both.

Oh and threads like this are just designed to get the Italian defensive crew out of their shells.

Could you explain in short what this has got to do with Mancini?

Go ahead. Give it a shot.

I was mostly impressed with both results AND football under Mancini. I've been mostly impressed with football under Pellegrini. This has nothing to do with either of them. If you want to think this by managers then it's more like Royle vs Keegan.

You hated and moaned about Mancini from the get go after Hughes sacking. Let it go, the man is gone and you got your wish. Not every fucking thing has got something to do with him.

[twosips]

The problem comes from believing they're mutually exclusive things. They're not. Entertaining teams can still grind out results too.

But put it this way - i don't think we'd be any higher in the league under Mancini this season and we would have scored a damn sight less so I can at least have more patience in a work in progress that is entertaining.

Brilliant post

Horrible post. I said they aren't mutually exclusive AND said this isn't about individual managers.

Horrible poll. It's pointless if you say in the post that they aren't mutually exclusive but then put a poll that is totally black and white and doesn't allow for shades of grey. Either option is far too weighted.

What would be the point of having "I want to win shit while playing great football". Everyone wants that. However that may not be always possible.

My point is that it can't be that simple as its not possible for it to be that black and white so its an impossibly biased question - one that can't be left to a poll. The two options basically imply 'play shite and be dull and tedious but win the league' or 'play glorious football but never win anything'...that's a ridiculous choice as no one wants to win nothing so its always gonna be weighted towards winning - that doesn't mean that's actually what people want to happen. We'd all get fed up if we literally just ground out victories. It's too blunt a question to properly answer.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Please read that sentence again.

My apologies, I appear to have been smoking crack whilst reading.

As you were

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

Horrible poll. It's pointless if you say in the post that they aren't mutually exclusive but then put a poll that is totally black and white and doesn't allow for shades of grey. Either option is far too weighted.

What would be the point of having "I want to win shit while playing great football". Everyone wants that. However that may not be always possible.

My point is that it can't be that simple as its not possible for it to be that black and white so its an impossibly biased question - one that can't be left to a poll. The two options basically imply 'play shite and be dull and tedious but win the league' or 'play glorious football but never win anything'...that's a ridiculous choice as no one wants to win nothing so its always gonna be weighted towards winning - that doesn't mean that's actually what people want to happen. We'd all get fed up if we literally just ground out victories. It's too blunt a question to properly answer.

It was meant as a study to find out how people watch the game. For instance, watching City I'm usually shitting it and eating my fingernails. I rarely enjoy the gameplay as such but just hope and pray we will come through with three points. And if we do, regardless of the matter, I'm happy chappy. Inoften watch our games again later and try and concentrate more on how we actually play and individual skill.

Thennthere are people who want to be wow'd and want to see skill and flair. They TOO want to see us win but first and foremost they want to go home having witnessed something entertaining and spectacular. They may even be noble enough to appreciate fine performance by opposition (player). AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT. It's just little bit sifferent point of view.

I was interested to see how people saw the whole thing.

Funjy thing is that I've done this precisely same poll in the past and seem to remember getting very sensible answers. But this was before some people were completely obsessed with Mancini.

[Tesl]

Basically in the short term I want to see results and in the long term I want football entertainment. Which can feel like a bit of a contradition but kind of makes sense.

For example, against Arsenal this weekend I'd rather we play shit horrible football and win than play an amazing game and draw. BUT if I knew the side was being built to play awful to watch football over the long run, then I'd soon stop watching regardless of how good the results are.

I'm still relatively happy with Pelligrini in charge because the football is excellent to watch, and as long as we play great football then results will eventually follow.

[lets all have a disco]

You can have both.

Oh and threads like this are just designed to get the Italian defensive crew out of their shells.

Could you explain in short what this has got to do with Mancini?

Go ahead. Give it a shot.

I was mostly impressed with both results AND football under Mancini. I've been mostly impressed with football under Pellegrini. This has nothing to do with either of them. If you want to think this by managers then it's more like Royle vs Keegan.

You hated and moaned about Mancini from the get go after Hughes sacking. Let it go, the man is gone and you got your wish. Not every fucking thing has got something to do with him.

I didn't mention Mancini you did, i purely mentioned an Italian defensive mindset and that it would bring an age old debate to the fore.
Threads like this ALWAYS turn into a ex VS current manager debate they are pointless.

Oh and i judge a manager how i see it if he is a wanker one week i'll call him a wanker if he brilliant the next week they get my full praise i wasn't continually on Mancini's back.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

You can have both.

Oh and threads like this are just designed to get the Italian defensive crew out of their shells.

Could you explain in short what this has got to do with Mancini?

Go ahead. Give it a shot.

I was mostly impressed with both results AND football under Mancini. I've been mostly impressed with football under Pellegrini. This has nothing to do with either of them. If you want to think this by managers then it's more like Royle vs Keegan.

You hated and moaned about Mancini from the get go after Hughes sacking. Let it go, the man is gone and you got your wish. Not every fucking thing has got something to do with him.

I didn't mention Mancini you did, i purely mentioned an Italian defensive mindset and that it would bring an age old debate to the fore.Threads like this ALWAYS turn into a ex VS current manager debate they are pointless.

Oh and i judge a manager how i see it if he is a wanker one week i'll call him a wanker if he brilliant the next week they get my full praise i wasn't continually on Mancini's back.

Right.

And basically you can't have any debate about football because "it turns into argument over managers". I thought this was THE most neutral subject ie how YOU enjoy your football. Over lifetime of watching it.

But clearly there are some people who can't get over the whole manager debate even when there isn't one to have.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I'll always go for entertainment over results....I just hope it wouldn't get us relegated.

However, I'm old enough to remember the 1967/68 season.

[Breks]

Performance with results is the ideal. However results is what brings in the trophies. I want trophies!

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

WOW
The posters above has just restored to my confidence on this site. Well done.

[Original Dub]

WOW
The posters above has just restored to my confidence on this site. Well done.

Why would your confidence in the site be in doubt?

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

WOW
The posters above has just restored to my confidence on this site. Well done.

Why would your confidence in the site be in doubt?

Because of three page of utter bollocks over very simple question.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I want to be entertained first and foremost. Obviously I don't mind the odd boring win but if we won every game 1-0 off a corner or a long punt and then sat back and defended I wouldn't enjoy it.

I love coming away from matches feeling that the players have put on a real show and having seen some truly world class football.

But the thing is, the better football you play, generally the more successful a club is.
It's not true that one has to come at the expense of another in the slightest.

As others have said, Barca, Real and Bayern have all been very successful whilst playing wonderful football. Why do we need to be any different?

[Bridge'srightfoot]

It was meant as a study to find out how people watch the game. For instance, watching City I'm usually shitting it and eating my fingernails. I rarely enjoy the gameplay as such but just hope and pray we will come through with three points.

How can you not enjoy the gameplay though? Considering where we were just 6 or 7 years ago, I enjoy seeing the likes of Aguero, Silva, Kompany , Toure etc every time they step on the pitch.
Surely you must have enjoyed the 4-1 demolition of the Rags, or the 7-0 of Norwich, 6-0 v Spurs etc etc? Even the 3-1 v Bayern was a good game to watch, to see the best side in the world put on a real masterclass.
If you get no enjoyment then what's the point?