Entertainment vs Results

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I think this debate/poll hasn't been constructed correctly with the greatest respect NQDP. No fan of any team would ever want to draw 5-5 than win 1-0 for entertainments sake and no one would ever want the opposition to score just to make it a competitive entertaining game.

What we would say though is we should be setting up to play good attacking football and the results will come from that, rather than setting up to get a result.
Our main objective should be to play great football rather than just get results any way we can.
Compare our game against Arsenal with the Rags game against Arsenal. The Rags set up to keep it tight and pinch a goal, whereas we set up to play football and did so. Both approaches got 3 points, I know which I prefer.

Even against Bayern, the European Champions and widely credited 'world's best team', we beat them by playing great football. We didn't just sit back and try and pinch a goal, we forced the issue.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think this debate/poll hasn't been constructed correctly with the greatest respect NQDP. No fan of any team would ever want to draw 5-5 than win 1-0 for entertainments sake and no one would ever want the opposition to score just to make it a competitive entertaining game.

What we would say though is we should be setting up to play good attacking football and the results will come from that, rather than setting up to get a result.
Our main objective should be to play great football rather than just get results any way we can.
Compare our game against Arsenal with the Rags game against Arsenal. The Rags set up to keep it tight and pinch a goal, whereas we set up to play football and did so. Both approaches got 3 points, I know which I prefer.

Even against Bayern, the European Champions and widely credited 'world's best team', we beat them by playing great football. We didn't just sit back and try and pinch a goal, we forced the issue.

I disagree. I'm pretty sure there are lot of people who would take EPIC 5-5 over mundane and boring 1-0. At least every once in a while. Again, there are lot of people who would take Brazil of early to mid-80's or netherlands of 70's over Germany 90. People remember Zico and Socrates and Cruyff and Neeskens and their super entertaining teams. Very few people remember Andreas Brehme if you catch my drift.but bottom line is that unlike Zico Brehme is World Cup winner.

I don't see anything wrong with that by the way.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

I think this debate/poll hasn't been constructed correctly with the greatest respect NQDP. No fan of any team would ever want to draw 5-5 than win 1-0 for entertainments sake and no one would ever want the opposition to score just to make it a competitive entertaining game.

What we would say though is we should be setting up to play good attacking football and the results will come from that, rather than setting up to get a result.
Our main objective should be to play great football rather than just get results any way we can.
Compare our game against Arsenal with the Rags game against Arsenal. The Rags set up to keep it tight and pinch a goal, whereas we set up to play football and did so. Both approaches got 3 points, I know which I prefer.

Even against Bayern, the European Champions and widely credited 'world's best team', we beat them by playing great football. We didn't just sit back and try and pinch a goal, we forced the issue.

I disagree. I'm pretty sure there are lot of people who would take EPIC 5-5 over mundane and boring 1-0. At least every once in a while. Again, there are lot of people who would take Brazil of early to mid-80's or netherlands of 70's over Germany 90. People remember Zico and Socrates and Cruyff and Neeskens and their super entertaining teams. Very few people remember Andreas Brehme if you catch my drift.but bottom line is that unlike Zico Brehme is World Cup winner.

I don't see anything wrong with that by the way.

I honestly really doubt ANY fan on here would ever prefer a draw than a win for their team in a competitive match.
ButFairs fair. We're just lucky enough to have both.
I guess when Sam allardyce was at Bolton, his best chance of getting results was to play the set pieces, long ball shit. It worked for sure. He consistently got them around the top 8 and even finished 6th one season I think. Amazing achievement considering he was on a shoe string budget. They didn't have the players nor could they afford the players to play free flowing football, their best chance was to play a physical game.
We're very different though, now we have spent hundreds of millions and have a squad of players to challenge any other, playing good football is a must. I could accept a Pearce side grinding out results, I could even accept the odd, boring 1-0 now but if it became a habit I'd be unhappy.
Games like today make me come away and realize why I love football. A mundane 1-0 win wouldn't have.

But this debate is quite tangled in nature because you can't fully separate good entertainment from results as very often the first leads to the second.

[Niall Quinns Discopants]

I think yesterday's Champions League draw was fine example of this. What were your initial thoughts? Did you think "YES, this is going to be epic" or "SHIT, wish we had drawn someone easier"?

I mean, as much as I genuinely think this could be one of the classic ties, my first thought was that I would've hoped someone easier (not that there were many easier teams and I know full well how they are doing right now).

[Tokyo Blue]

To me it depends on the circumstances and on the opposition. Some games have different focus. In a derby I want City to win. Nothing else. Against a side like Norwich at home I want entertainment. Against Fulham away on Saturday we need to win and bollocks to entertainment. Same against Leicester tonight.

Having just one way of thinking is a bit too rigid for me, I'm afraid.

[kinkylola]

I think yesterday's Champions League draw was fine example of this. What were your initial thoughts? Did you think "YES, this is going to be epic" or "SHIT, wish we had drawn someone easier"?

I mean, as much as I genuinely think this could be one of the classic ties, my first thought was that I would've hoped someone easier (not that there were many easier teams and I know full well how they are doing right now).

loved the draw, it's going to be an epic tie AND I believe we can get the result while being the most entertaining side in the world (as we are at the moment.)

[zuricity]

To me it depends on the circumstances and on the opposition. Some games have different focus. In a derby I want City to win. Nothing else. Against a side like Norwich at home I want entertainment. Against Fulham away on Saturday we need to win and bollocks to entertainment. Same against Leicester tonight.

Having just one way of thinking is a bit too rigid for me, I'm afraid.

That about sums it up.At Bayern i wanted the result rammed down the throat of the PA announcer giving it big time when Bayern scored, but hides it away to announce City have taken the lead. I'll take a boring draw at Barca to support the victory at ours any day of the week.I also don't mind us putting entertainment aside for the next two games to get the wins.We can be entertained on Boxing Day, which would be appropriate

[Wonderwall]

At the game on Saturday I never once doubted that we would win. Arsenals 1st came against the run of play and we could have been 3-0 up if negredo had his boots on the right feet. I always thought we were going to win and had every confidence. Pellers has us playing the best football since Keegan in div 1. The difference being that pellers is producing awesome displays at the top level.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Last night summed it up for me. Chelsea got a decent result at the Emirates as they did at Old Trafford earlier in the season.In both games they went for the draw and got it. However those two games are perhaps the worst two games of football I have ever witnessed.
I would rather tear my eyes out then see us play football the way Chelsea did last night, irrespective of whether it gets results.
It reminds me of our home game against the Rags about 4 years ago where we went for a 0-0 draw and got it or the infamous 0-0 at the Emirates the season before, boring, negative football, horrific to watch and not what football is about.

Entertainment all the way.

[Original Dub]

Last night summed it up for me. Chelsea got a decent result at the Emirates as they did at Old Trafford earlier in the season.In both games they went for the draw and got it. However those two games are perhaps the worst two games of football I have ever witnessed.
I would rather tear my eyes out then see us play football the way Chelsea did last night, irrespective of whether it gets results.
It reminds me of our home game against the Rags about 4 years ago where we went for a 0-0 draw and got it or the infamous 0-0 at the Emirates the season before, boring, negative football, horrific to watch and not what football is about.

Entertainment all the way.

I agree completely

[DoomMerchant]

I agree completely

As do i. That Arse-Chelski bollocks stunk of poo. Horrible stuff. I'd stop watching all football if that was held in high regard. And yes I fucking get the mentality...but I prefer the Counts mentality of "playing like a big club"....City will play our way. Fuck the lot of them.

[carl_feedthegoat]

When we play the bindippers , both managers will show the world how a game of football is supposed to be pl;ayed.....it will be a fuckign classic.

[Tesl]

When we play the bindippers , both managers will show the world how a game of football is supposed to be pl;ayed.....it will be a fuckign classic.

Should be a good game, but I doubt there will be more than 9 goals like the Arsenal game. Fingers crossed though!

[kinkylola]

I agree completely

As do i. That Arse-Chelski bollocks stunk of poo. Horrible stuff. I'd stop watching all football if that was held in high regard. And yes I fucking get the mentality...but I prefer the Counts mentality of "playing like a big club"....City will play our way. Fuck the lot of them.

I agree that the football turned out pretty ugly, and I prefer the way we are playing ... but I have no issue with what mourinho chose to do. the way he had their defence set up was a perfect counter for arsenal's attack, and if they had better attacking players they could have scored a couple.

It still wouldn't have been 'entertaining,' but i think the discipline mourinho and chelsea had in that display were pretty interesting.

[Beefymcfc]

Are we still saying that if we lost a load of games by 5 goals to 4 which left us near the bottom of the table then we'd be happy with the entertainment?

[carl_feedthegoat]

Anyone that would rather see results over entertainment has no fucking passion for the game.
That fucking match yesterday was like watching a cow having a shit.

[Beefymcfc]

Anyone that would rather see results over entertainment has no fucking passion for the game.
That fucking match yesterday was like watching a cow having a shit.

That wasn't entertainment or a result, it was 2 shit-house wankers agreeing to a score.

[Sideshow Bob]

watching a cow having a shit.

underrated, imo.

[halnone]

Should be a good game, but I doubt there will be more than 9 goals like the Arsenal game. Fingers crossed though!

city 10-0 Liverpool

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Are we still saying that if we lost a load of games by 5 goals to 4 which left us near the bottom of the table then we'd be happy with the entertainment?

I'd be happier seeing my team give everything and end up losing 5-4 then playing negative, anti football, boring shit, going for a point like a relegation threatened team.