Wilshere

[Lee_R]

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[kinkylola]

I don't think it's necessarily a case of fucked over by Wenger ... I'd say he was well and truly fucked by the english media from the start. Same with Hart ... he wasn't fucked by any of our managers, or our system ... he just got a massive complex from the media.

By the time these guys are 21, it's made up that they will be global superstars and saviors of the national team, each one of them. Walcott, Wilshire, Hart ... they're told they've already made it by everyone around them from their first appearance. They come out of the gate on fire, have some spectacular performances, and then as the energy of youth wears down ... they don't have the fire necessary to take their game to the next level. Tale as old as time.

Agree, Wegner did nothing wrong. They just failed to step up to the next level. Henry was moved from winger to striker and became a world beater. The guys quoted above were just blown out of proportion and had their weaknesses glossed over after a few good games (much like that scum youngster now) without showing sustained, consistent play over a whole season at the top level.

was also going to mention januzaj, but I think he is somewhat shielded from this effect by virtue of not being strictly english ... though apparently he could play for england? who knows. They aren't calling him the savior just yet ... like calling walcott up to the full squad when he was how old? ridiculous.

He's still in that phase were he's fired up every single minute on the pitch ... and it's up to him if he'll make it or not ... just like all the others. If he keeps the fire, I think he can be successful, if not, he'll be another walcott, lennon, etc ... I think it also works for him that he is no where near the focus of the team. It'll be some time before he is expected to save the team or blamed for when they lose.

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was also going to mention januzaj, but I think he is somewhat shielded from this effect by virtue of not being strictly english ... though apparently he could play for england? who knows. They aren't calling him the savior just yet ... like calling walcott up to the full squad when he was how old? ridiculous.

He's still in that phase were he's fired up every single minute on the pitch ... and it's up to him if he'll make it or not ... just like all the others. If he keeps the fire, I think he can be successful, if not, he'll be another walcott, lennon, etc ... I think it also works for him that he is no where near the focus of the team. It'll be some time before he is expected to save the team or blamed for when they lose.

For me, the main problem goes back to acting like taking the step from "promising" to "world class" is a given. When tranny first started at the scum his talent was obvious but so was his weaknesses. He has been one of the select few who has actually taken the next step.

Think of it like a sales funnel where you need 15 promising youngsters to make 5 consistently top level players to make 1 genuinely world class player. The difference between each step in the funnel is marginal in terms of raw ability, but massive in terms of attitude and intelligence.

The problem with wilshire, lennon, oxly, walcott, and juanzaj is that they have never gotten close to how good tranny initially was and have so much more to work on. While at the same time the media and fans act like they have word class ability, but just aren't showing it yet (or think they just need 6-12 months of natural development). The problem is that they don't have the ability of a Yaya, Sergio, or Silva and never will. They would be much better thought of as young versions of Milner or Navas.

But then again, most of them are too arrogant to ever be a team player like Milner or too stupid to be like Navas.

[Twobob]

I don't think it's necessarily a case of fucked over by Wenger ... I'd say he was well and truly fucked by the english media from the start. Same with Hart ... he wasn't fucked by any of our managers, or our system ... he just got a massive complex from the media.

By the time these guys are 21, it's made up that they will be global superstars and saviors of the national team, each one of them. Walcott, Wilshire, Hart ... they're told they've already made it by everyone around them from their first appearance. They come out of the gate on fire, have some spectacular performances, and then as the energy of youth wears down ... they don't have the fire necessary to take their game to the next level. Tale as old as time.

Agree, Wegner did nothing wrong. They just failed to step up to the next level. Henry was moved from winger to striker and became a world beater. The guys quoted above were just blown out of proportion and had their weaknesses glossed over after a few good games (much like that scum youngster now) without showing sustained, consistent play over a whole season at the top level.

I disagree, Henry is one example, and maybe Anelka too but Wenger tried to replicate what he did with Henry on Walcott who was a promising center forward but Wenger wanted a pacy winger - like trying to force a lefty to write right handed if the kid didnt have it in his locker already.

The amount of press the lads get would have some influence true, Joe Harts form has dropped and although the added attention and media profile may have turned his head Its bollox to blame media for that, it's dropped due to footballing reasons, you can tell by his reactions when he does drop clangers - he will improve himself again. There is press in other countries too, do they not rate thier young players early which turn out to be great players?

At the end of the day we're masters of ourselves and, although Walcott has struggled, he's tried to overcome the fact he been played out of his natural position since he got to Arse and in his defence he hasnt been a complete wanker over it - in fact he's tried to move away from being a winger (He cant cross - a fact any man and a dog could see but Wenger wanted a winger and he's renowned to be stubourn).

Take Bale as an example, left back who was strugling at left back at Spurs, was tried as a left winger and got better there and was started to be given a more midfield role. Not brought in young and pushed into a position alien to him from the start.

Wiltshire is maybe a bad egg in all this - certainly seems to be going down the Ronney road with less skill and drive, and perhaps he would have dropped off anyway but the amount of injuries that players seem to pick up at the Arse is also concerning, worse than ours I think.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't think it's necessarily a case of fucked over by Wenger ... I'd say he was well and truly fucked by the english media from the start. Same with Hart ... he wasn't fucked by any of our managers, or our system ... he just got a massive complex from the media.

By the time these guys are 21, it's made up that they will be global superstars and saviors of the national team, each one of them. Walcott, Wilshire, Hart ... they're told they've already made it by everyone around them from their first appearance. They come out of the gate on fire, have some spectacular performances, and then as the energy of youth wears down ... they don't have the fire necessary to take their game to the next level. Tale as old as time.

Agree, Wegner did nothing wrong. They just failed to step up to the next level. Henry was moved from winger to striker and became a world beater. The guys quoted above were just blown out of proportion and had their weaknesses glossed over after a few good games (much like that scum youngster now) without showing sustained, consistent play over a whole season at the top level.

I disagree, Henry is one example, and maybe Anelka too but Wenger tried to replicate what he did with Henry on Walcott who was a promising center forward but Wenger wanted a pacy winger - like trying to force a lefty to write right handed if the kid didnt have it in his locker already.

The amount of press the lads get would have some influence true, Joe Harts form has dropped and although the added attention and media profile may have turned his head Its bollox to blame media for that, it's dropped due to footballing reasons, you can tell by his reactions when he does drop clangers - he will improve himself again. There is press in other countries too, do they not rate thier young players early which turn out to be great players?

At the end of the day we're masters of ourselves and, although Walcott has struggled, he's tried to overcome the fact he been played out of his natural position since he got to Arse and in his defence he hasnt been a complete wanker over it - in fact he's tried to move away from being a winger (He cant cross - a fact any man and a dog could see but Wenger wanted a winger and he's renowned to be stubourn).

Take Bale as an example, left back who was strugling at left back at Spurs, was tried as a left winger and got better there and was started to be given a more midfield role. Not brought in young and pushed into a position alien to him from the start.

Wiltshire is maybe a bad egg in all this - certainly seems to be going down the Ronney road with less skill and drive, and perhaps he would have dropped off anyway but the amount of injuries that players seem to pick up at the Arse is also concerning, worse than ours I think.

Completely agree about Walcott.

He was a fast, dangerous, goalscring striker for Southampton, turned into (yet another) English headless chicken winger by Wenger.

To his credit, after seemingly losing the ability to hit a bull's arse with a banjo, he is now starting to produce some excellent finishes & again starting to look like the player he was before Wenger fucked him up.

[Beefymcfc]

Not sure if mentioned but the fat fingered fuck has been given a 2 match ban. Misses Chelsea home and West Ham away.

Hoping for a Arse v Chavs draw so that maybe a bonus to us.

[Goaters 103]

Give shit, get shit. That's where part of the fun is in football.

Anyone complaining about or acting offended by Wilshere's middle finger is a soft bastard. Obviously there's a limit to what's acceptable (effing and blinding down a live TV camera, for instance, is not), but you should never dish out abuse if you won't accept the returns.

This is spot on.

I see Greg Dyke's commenting on it today - the very same man who made a throat cutting gesture at Englands world cup draw. Given Dyke's logic can we not ban him and his rent-a-quotes for a while? He's become international football's very own Dave Whelan.