Vincent Tan

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Fight fire with fire I say.

Imagine malky coming out for the next game with a kit over his suit? I'd never stop laughing.

[Beefymcfc]

I am not defending the way Tan has gone about this BUT I think he has a right to be pissed off to a certain extent, he sacked Mackays assistant from spending 15 million more than budget over the summer (any business would fire someone for this whether they can afford it or not) - Mackey knew this, but went public about buying more players in Jan before getting approval from the board, setting a level of expectation with the fans and in turn forcing Tan's hand to free up money
No-one is expecting clubs like palace and hull to be throwing money about, so why should cardiff not be expected to live within the means the club generates? He's possibly trying to protect the club from FFP that everyone seems to think is a great idea

Of course the owner has the right to do has he wants, he's the owner, but why go about things in such a manner?

Tan held the club to ransom by offering them gifts to change their colours, colours they have worn for over 100 years. I'm sure we'd all have something to say about that if it was us. Then the sacking of the head scout and replacing him with some completely unknown who was on work experience, obviously, as you say, all to do with spending money. But does the head scout sign the cheques, has he the authority to spend? I think not.

And money wise, Cardiff spent around 30 million in the close season, which is nothing in the big scheme of things. The players he has bought, or at least the ones that cost a few quid, are playing near week in/week out and are keeping them way above the relegation places; they're holding their own as they say. How much is 30 million compared to the riches of staying in the PL?

Then to be told, if the reports are true, that he has a choice of resigning or being sacked by way of e-mail must be a real blow for the fans and players. Where does that leave them and how do the players react, especially with somebody like Bellamy in the dressing room.

Like you say, it's his choice to do what he wants with the club, he already is, but the way he's going around it is ridiculous. He's only in it for the money and has totally disregarded the fans, the players and the media. He's making it look like he has no respect for their history and I wouldn't be surprised to see that his plan was to bring in some ex-Dipper/Rag/Arsenal player as manager, to go with his newfound colours. It looks like it's all about the asian/far east market for him and those down in Wales can suck his pork balls.

On the other side, I think Mackay has probably gained too much power with the fans and players, and is a favourite in the media. Tan probably wanted him out and his own guy in at the start of the season and the actions suggest that he would've preferred for Mackay to walk rather than be pushed, making Tan look like a twat in the media. Mackay has now told of his correspondence which will infuriate Tan even more and probably goes to prove that Mackay was using every means to keep control of the club rather than the owner having a say - he's using the popular opinion to keep his position.

Just glad that he's not our owner, even Thaksin was less of a twat than him, and that it doesn't bring to much on the very different Sheikh mansour. I only say that because whenever a foreign owner is mentioned in a bad light, it's always us that are mentioned 1st, regardless of what he has actually done for us. Forget about the Glazers and their debt, forget about the Hull Tigers of this world, it's always Man City who are brought up and never the real protagonists in all this.

[Beefymcfc]

Mackay not taking the pre-match interview, assistant taking it instead.

Can't see him being there by CoP today.

[Tesl]

That video was one of the most amazing things I've ever seen.

Make it to the end??? I'm going to watch it again now.

[rosbif cuisson 'bleu']

haha tesl , i made 26 seconds in before i had to stop

[mr_nool]

I watched the whole thing, but then again I also like to put jumper cables on my nipples.

[Cocacolajojo1]

I watched the whole thing, but then again I also like to put jumper cables on my nipples.

Shocking!

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Looks like a matter of time. Tan is flying to UK and BBC reports:

Cardiff owner Vincent Tan will decide in the coming hours whether to sack manager Malky Mackay before or after Saturday's Premier League match at Liverpool.

[Ted Hughes]

I am not defending the way Tan has gone about this BUT I think he has a right to be pissed off to a certain extent, he sacked Mackays assistant from spending 15 million more than budget over the summer (any business would fire someone for this whether they can afford it or not) - Mackey knew this, but went public about buying more players in Jan before getting approval from the board, setting a level of expectation with the fans and in turn forcing Tan's hand to free up money
No-one is expecting clubs like palace and hull to be throwing money about, so why should cardiff not be expected to live within the means the club generates? He's possibly trying to protect the club from FFP that everyone seems to think is a great idea

Of course the owner has the right to do has he wants, he's the owner, but why go about things in such a manner?

Tan held the club to ransom by offering them gifts to change their colours, colours they have worn for over 100 years. I'm sure we'd all have something to say about that if it was us. Then the sacking of the head scout and replacing him with some completely unknown who was on work experience, obviously, as you say, all to do with spending money. But does the head scout sign the cheques, has he the authority to spend? I think not.

And money wise, Cardiff spent around 30 million in the close season, which is nothing in the big scheme of things. The players he has bought, or at least the ones that cost a few quid, are playing near week in/week out and are keeping them way above the relegation places; they're holding their own as they say. How much is 30 million compared to the riches of staying in the PL?

Then to be told, if the reports are true, that he has a choice of resigning or being sacked by way of e-mail must be a real blow for the fans and players. Where does that leave them and how do the players react, especially with somebody like Bellamy in the dressing room.

Like you say, it's his choice to do what he wants with the club, he already is, but the way he's going around it is ridiculous. He's only in it for the money and has totally disregarded the fans, the players and the media. He's making it look like he has no respect for their history and I wouldn't be surprised to see that his plan was to bring in some ex-Dipper/Rag/Arsenal player as manager, to go with his newfound colours. It looks like it's all about the asian/far east market for him and those down in Wales can suck his pork balls.

On the other side, I think Mackay has probably gained too much power with the fans and players, and is a favourite in the media. Tan probably wanted him out and his own guy in at the start of the season and the actions suggest that he would've preferred for Mackay to walk rather than be pushed, making Tan look like a twat in the media. Mackay has now told of his correspondence which will infuriate Tan even more and probably goes to prove that Mackay was using every means to keep control of the club rather than the owner having a say - he's using the popular opinion to keep his position.

Just glad that he's not our owner, even Thaksin was less of a twat than him, and that it doesn't bring to much on the very different Sheikh mansour. I only say that because whenever a foreign owner is mentioned in a bad light, it's always us that are mentioned 1st, regardless of what he has actually done for us. Forget about the Glazers and their debt, forget about the Hull Tigers of this world, it's always Man City who are brought up and never the real protagonists in all this.

If I was loaded beyond imagination, I would tempt the rags with an offer of several billion, to play in blue.

Just to watch them tear each other apart.

[Hazy2]

It is the start of the sequal Exit the Dragon Coats on.................

[Twobob]

Thank fuck we have owners as level headed, with common sense, and profesional as we do.

This is the type of thing you'd think shinawatra would pull too (well he pretty much did with Sven but not this comical)

How the hell do these people make it in life!

[Breks]

Thank fuck we have owners as level headed, with common sense, and profesional as we do.

This is the type of thing you'd think shinawatra would pull too (well he pretty much did with Sven but not this comical)

How the hell do these people make it in life!

They make it because they are utterly ruthless. That is what all sucessful business men are like.

[Beefymcfc]

I am not defending the way Tan has gone about this BUT I think he has a right to be pissed off to a certain extent, he sacked Mackays assistant from spending 15 million more than budget over the summer (any business would fire someone for this whether they can afford it or not) - Mackey knew this, but went public about buying more players in Jan before getting approval from the board, setting a level of expectation with the fans and in turn forcing Tan's hand to free up money
No-one is expecting clubs like palace and hull to be throwing money about, so why should cardiff not be expected to live within the means the club generates? He's possibly trying to protect the club from FFP that everyone seems to think is a great idea

Of course the owner has the right to do has he wants, he's the owner, but why go about things in such a manner?

Tan held the club to ransom by offering them gifts to change their colours, colours they have worn for over 100 years. I'm sure we'd all have something to say about that if it was us. Then the sacking of the head scout and replacing him with some completely unknown who was on work experience, obviously, as you say, all to do with spending money. But does the head scout sign the cheques, has he the authority to spend? I think not.

And money wise, Cardiff spent around 30 million in the close season, which is nothing in the big scheme of things. The players he has bought, or at least the ones that cost a few quid, are playing near week in/week out and are keeping them way above the relegation places; they're holding their own as they say. How much is 30 million compared to the riches of staying in the PL?

Then to be told, if the reports are true, that he has a choice of resigning or being sacked by way of e-mail must be a real blow for the fans and players. Where does that leave them and how do the players react, especially with somebody like Bellamy in the dressing room.

Like you say, it's his choice to do what he wants with the club, he already is, but the way he's going around it is ridiculous. He's only in it for the money and has totally disregarded the fans, the players and the media. He's making it look like he has no respect for their history and I wouldn't be surprised to see that his plan was to bring in some ex-Dipper/Rag/Arsenal player as manager, to go with his newfound colours. It looks like it's all about the asian/far east market for him and those down in Wales can suck his pork balls.

On the other side, I think Mackay has probably gained too much power with the fans and players, and is a favourite in the media. Tan probably wanted him out and his own guy in at the start of the season and the actions suggest that he would've preferred for Mackay to walk rather than be pushed, making Tan look like a twat in the media. Mackay has now told of his correspondence which will infuriate Tan even more and probably goes to prove that Mackay was using every means to keep control of the club rather than the owner having a say - he's using the popular opinion to keep his position.

Just glad that he's not our owner, even Thaksin was less of a twat than him, and that it doesn't bring to much on the very different Sheikh mansour. I only say that because whenever a foreign owner is mentioned in a bad light, it's always us that are mentioned 1st, regardless of what he has actually done for us. Forget about the Glazers and their debt, forget about the Hull Tigers of this world, it's always Man City who are brought up and never the real protagonists in all this.

If I was loaded beyond imagination, I would tempt the rags with an offer of several billion, to play in blue.

Just to watch them tear each other apart.

Amazing how different scenrio's bring up differing opinions. Ethics and morals out of the window, that would be pure joy to see them squirm.

[bigblue]

Has anyone posted his birthday message video done by his staff here? Probably old news. 3 points if you make it to the end.

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That video just makes me feel for all of the people making slightly above minimum wage serving coffee, flipping burgers, or wiping down sweaty gym equipment who are coerced into putting on some stupid song and dance to honor an absurdly rich boss who they will never meet if they want to keep their soulless, dead-end job.

[Twobob]

That video just makes me feel for all of the people making slightly above minimum wage serving coffee, flipping burgers, or wiping down sweaty gym equipment who are coerced into putting on some stupid song and dance to honor an absurdly rich boss who they will never meet if they want to keep their soulless, dead-end job.

And the feltching exec in the suit that kept appearing, was probably the guy who forced them to do it - nice big bonus and a tickle for his nads.

There are some dire businessmen but he seems to take it to the extreme - his business model must be based on the North Korean strategy!

[LookMumImOnMCF.net]

That video just makes me feel for all of the people making slightly above minimum wage serving coffee, flipping burgers, or wiping down sweaty gym equipment who are coerced into putting on some stupid song and dance to honor an absurdly rich boss who they will never meet if they want to keep their soulless, dead-end job.

True.

The situation is that Tan has ran his businesses like a dictatorship and been really successful. Joe Public doesn't really care how Toto Sports is run but when he interferes in football it becomes news. In a way, and I don't want to sound like I'm defending him, he's just doing what he does best.

It's been said a zillion times before but the only way fans can vote against this regime is with their feet. Short term revenue loss may well save the club from a worse future.

That said it won't happen will it? Owners are already changing the club colours, the club name and,as was the case with Wimbledon, the location. People fucking still lap it up.

The future will consist of more of the same but on larger scales.

[bigblue]

That video just makes me feel for all of the people making slightly above minimum wage serving coffee, flipping burgers, or wiping down sweaty gym equipment who are coerced into putting on some stupid song and dance to honor an absurdly rich boss who they will never meet if they want to keep their soulless, dead-end job.

True.

The situation is that Tan has ran his businesses like a dictatorship and been really successful. Joe Public doesn't really care how Toto Sports is run but when he interferes in football it becomes news. In a way, and I don't want to sound like I'm defending him, he's just doing what he does best.

It's been said a zillion times before but the only way fans can vote against this regime is with their feet. Short term revenue loss may well save the club from a worse future.

That said it won't happen will it? Owners are already changing the club colours, the club name and,as was the case with Wimbledon, the location. People fucking still lap it up.

The future will consist of more of the same but on larger scales.

Another factor in the difference between his previous businesses and Cardiff is the difference in work attitudes between most eastern and western cultures. In China, India, Malaysia, etc.... there is a higher cultural tolerance for inequality and a tendency to show much greater levels of respect to the rich/successful/owner class. It is much easier to get away with egotistical displays amongst your employees over there since it is more accepted as the norm and there is significantly less options for recourse against a rich person who steps out of line.

Here is a very good comment from the Guardian article on this topic about Tan: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blo ... t-28520927

About voting with their feet - it will be interesting to see how much revenue owners like Tan are able to make from building an overseas fanbase. Can 500k or 1 million new fans in Malaysia offset a loss of 10k or 20k fans attending games in Cardiff?

With the ability to stream a match in high definition around the world, it's crazy to think where we may be heading. Imagine matches played in a TV studio like pitch, with no crowd or supporters. Fans watch the game at club or league owned "viewing venues", which are 1,000 person large bars/theaters with a combined merchandise store, spread out around the world. Each person could control their own viewing experience by choosing from the traditional camera angle or from go-pro like imbedded cameras in each player's jersey. Fan noise and chants can be combined from all the "viewing venues" and dubbed over the noise of the players/managers talking, giving you a more intimate experience from hearing the players communicate on the field, while making you feel like a part of the event by having your chants echoed all over the world....

[patrickblue]

It seems that Malky Mackay is taking the team to play the dippers.
So what happens if they pull off a win a Anfield, Tan's going to find it difficult (or so you would imagine) to get rid of him under those circumstances.

[AG7]

It seems that Malky Mackay is taking the team to play the dippers. So what happens if they pull off a win a Anfield, Tan's going to find it difficult (or so you would imagine) to get rid of him under those circumstances.

I don't give a shit frankly to what Tan does or doesn't do ... as long as Malky can nick a win (or even a draw) at Anfield ... could see us sitting at top this weekend ;)

[Twobob]

I don't give a shit frankly to what Tan does or doesn't do ... as long as Malky can nick a win (or even a draw) at Anfield ... could see us sitting at top this weekend ;)

And if the players are all behind him they may put a performance similar to that which they did against us. Here's hoping - is Bellers fit?