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The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby ant london » Thu Dec 19, 2013 2:47 am

albeit that the mention of Garcia spoils it somewhat...

The Question: what does the changing role of holding midfielders tell us?
From the point of view of tactical evolution this has been the year of the holding midfielder, though the term seems outdated

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The Manchester City partnership of Yaya Touré and Fernandinho shows how outmoded traditional footballing taxonomy has become.

Football is always evolving. It twists and turns, repeats and refines, its progression neither cyclical nor linear. Old traits that seemed forgotten, old ways of playing, crop up again, new contexts giving them new life. Roles divide and sub-divide, occasionally reunifying in startling way. Certain playing styles will remain seemingly inviolate for years, and then suddenly undergo change. From the point of view of tactical evolution, this has been the year of the holding midfielder.

At first the development from three-band into four-band formations – in England from a 4-4-2 default to a 4-2-3-1 default – led to the obvious splitting of the midfield role. The complete or box-to-box midfielders of the 80s found themselves consigned to a narrower role as midfield was divided into holders and creators. Over time, though, those roles have themselves become more specialised, in part because of the box-to-box players chafing against the restrictions imposed upon them.

The first development was that the two holding players in a 4-2-3-1 began to fall into one of two schools: the destroyer and the creator, the classic example of which was perhaps Javier Mascherano and Xabi Alonso at Liverpool. As Mascherano clattered about making tackles and collecting bookings, his role almost entirely of regaining possession and distributing it simply, Xabi Alonso, although capable of making tackles, focused on keeping the ball moving, occasionally raking long passes out to the flanks to change the angle of attack like an old-style regista.

Both types of player have always existed, of course – Nobby Stiles, Herbert Wimmer or Marco Tardelli being early examples of the Mascherano type, long before Claude Makelele gave the position a name; while Gérson, Glenn Hoddle or Sunday Oliseh could be seen as early incarnations of the Alonso type.

But as four-band systems have evolved to the point that the term midfielder seems hopelessly vague, so the taxonomy of the holders has expanded. Manchester City, this season, provide a fascinating example. Last season they had in Gareth Barry a destroyer-type and while Javi García could play in that role this season, Manuel Pellegrini has tended to pair Fernandinho with Yaya Touré.

Although both can certainly make tackles, and both are capable of regaining the ball, both spent most of last season playing as the more creative player alongside a destroyer. Fernandinho is a fine long passer, but he is not an Alonso or an Andrea Pirlo type; he is not a regista. Rather he likes to make forward surges, just as Touré does, and, as he showed against Arsenal on Saturday, is more than capable of scoring goals when chances present themselves. Whether the similarity with Touré is an advantage in giving City an extraordinary variety of possible angles of attack or a weakness in that it can leave the back four unprotected is arguable – although there are signs that the relationship between the two is developing – but the wider point is that neither fits comfortably into the template of either regista or destroyer.

This is a third way, neither entirely destructive nor creative, and more prone to advancing form a deep position than either a Mascherano or an Alonso type. The third way is to be a carrier or surger, a player capable of making late runs or carrying the ball at his feet. Bastian Schweinsteiger perhaps fits into the same category. Sami Khedira is a destroyer with carrying tendencies. Luka Modric is a carrier with a hint of regista.

There is significance too in that when Javi García has been used it has largely been as a central defender – even if that has been forced on Pellegrini by injury. He may not have excelled in the role, but the use of a destroyer-type in a central defensive role is becoming increasingly common, from Mascherano at Barcelona to Gary Medel with Chile. In fact, it could be argued that the use of a holding midfielder in defence is characteristically bielsista – Marcello Bielsa pioneered the practice with his use of Juan Manuel Llop at Newell's Old Boys and was still doing it with Javi Martínez – emphatically a regista rather than destroyer – at Athletic Bilbao.

That seems indicative of the broadest of all trends, which is initially counterintuitive. As positions become more specialised, as we divide the holder into destroyer, regista and carrier, and all points in between, so the importance of formations has diminished. Terms like 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 are useful as a rough guide, but only that: the higher the level, the more teams are agglomerations of bundles of attributes; the key is balance rather than fitting to some abstract designation, even if that shape can be useful in the defensive phase.

Specialisation, paradoxically, enables universality as players are defined less by their positions than by what they can do. How new that is is debatable: Colin Todd, to take just one example, played for Brian Clough's Derby County both in midfield and in the back four, but that sort of versatility fell increasingly out of fashion in the 80s and 90s as squads grew in size and the increase in the number of substitutes made it less important for players to be able to play in multiple positions.

It's almost 20 years since Carlos Alberto Parreira prophesied the future of football as 4-6 – four defenders providing a platform for six creative players who would constantly interchange. The past year or so has seen the resurgence of the out-and-out centre-forward – Robert Lewandowski, Falcao, Gonzalo Higuaín, Asamoah Gyan, Olivier Giroud – but even then a number of those who play as nines have also played or have the capacity to play either wide or as 10s – Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Edinson Cavani, Luis Suárez, Robin van Persie, Mario Mandzukic, Sergio Agüero, Diego Costa: the trend still seems to be towards universality though specialism.

The question, then, is whether, given how modern full-backs play often as wide midfielders, Parreira's 4-6 vision of the future has been overtaken by a 3-7, either as three centre-backs or two centre-backs with a destroyer just in front of them. That is another discussion, but what is true is that to speak of a holding role is merely to describe a player's position on the pitch and not how he interprets it.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby roblues » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:35 am

Very interesting read, although it seems strange that the Liverpool duo selected as a classic example was Mascherano and Alonso, rather than the Hamann-Alonso combo that turned the Champions League final for them with Gerrard thrown into the mix. Another strange omission is the failure to mention the successful conversion of Vinny from defensive midfielder to centre back, having already discussed our new approach just in front of him.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:59 am

I'm just glad that somebody has mentioned that Fernandinho was not a holding midfielder before he came to City.

Imo, if you had Colin Bell & Roy K**ne playing together, you wouldn't need to assign them roles, they would just get on with it & as a manager, you would learn new possibilities in football, from watching what they come up with, rather than telling them how to play.

There are very few 'complete' midfielders around these days, so they have to work out how to do bits of jobs & compliment each other's weaknesses, rather than being able to each do the whole job themselves.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby Dubciteh » Fri Dec 20, 2013 12:36 pm

enjoyed the article decent read.

I did find it funny Gyan and Oliseh were mentioned alongside star players!
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby blue-nova » Fri Dec 20, 2013 2:18 pm

ant london wrote:albeit that the mention of Garcia spoils it somewhat...


That's one of the most infuriating things when you read about your own team. No journalist is going to know as much as you about who plays where and why. I don't really mind a lot of media bollocks, but the one thing that does annoy me is when players who are injured are considered to have 'fallen out with the manager' or aren't 'being given a chance'.

There was a Q&A in the Guardian about the Champions League the other day and, once you get to discuss broad issues with a journo it's clear that they don't know much more than a typical fan. If you think about how much time most fans spend thinking about football that's not a surprise.

Articles like this are at least a cut above, even when the examples might not be perfect. At least Jonathan Wilson's in depth knowledge of the history of tactics is beyond anything I know (his book Inverting the Pyramid is a good read too) - but unless a journalist has inside knowledge of City (actual news gathering and investigation!) they are often no more than the bloke down the pub spouting off.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby getdressedmctavish » Fri Dec 20, 2013 3:39 pm

I felt initially that Fernandinho wasn't good enough at any of the roles, tackling, passing, running with and without the ball and scoring.Slowly he has emerged from being a 30 million pound Ya Ya's bagman to showing strong signs of ability in each of these roles. I think most of the progress was based on being more confident and perhaps realising that Ya Ya has weaknesses which he can complement. My view has always been that two guys alternating has to be better than a de Jong who the oppos can largely ignore when we have the ball. We will need a strong holding player occasionally but only occasionally. Unfortunately, Javier isn't it as even Leicester showed.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby bigblue » Fri Dec 20, 2013 5:53 pm

getdressedmctavish wrote:I felt initially that Fernandinho wasn't good enough at any of the roles, tackling, passing, running with and without the ball and scoring.Slowly he has emerged from being a 30 million pound Ya Ya's bagman to showing strong signs of ability in each of these roles. I think most of the progress was based on being more confident and perhaps realising that Ya Ya has weaknesses which he can complement.


There never was a confidence issue or problem with his ability that needed improvement. He has not emerged as a vastly better player or transformed from bagman to star player.

Hes played less than half a season in a new country after playing in ukraine for 8 years. Hes just settled in to a new team. That's all that's happened. Try to have a bit more patience with new signings next time.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby getdressedmctavish » Fri Dec 20, 2013 9:49 pm

If you say so,lol
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby Douglas Higginbottom » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:41 pm

getdressedmctavish wrote:If you say so,lol


I thought he was a good player from the day he arrived even though there were some who seemed to take a dislike to him immediately as he wasn't creating or scoring goals.But I do seem to recall an article or interview ( can't remember who though) before the season started where it was suggested Fernandinho would be seen as one of the best players in the whole league by the end of the season.

Seems a good call to me.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby bigblue » Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:46 pm

Douglas Higginbottom wrote:
getdressedmctavish wrote:If you say so,lol


I thought he was a good player from the day he arrived even though there were some who seemed to take a dislike to him immediately as he wasn't creating or scoring goals.But I do seem to recall an article or interview ( can't remember who though) before the season started where it was suggested Fernandinho would be seen as one of the best players in the whole league by the end of the season.

Seems a good call to me.


One of the things I like most about Fernandinho is how quick he closes down a player who receives a pass in the middle of the field. Goes from a 10 yard full speed sprint to stopping on a dime, and almost always makes sure the player doesn't have the time to turn or pick out a good pass. And he does it for the whole 90 minutes, looking like he could do it for another 90 at the end of the game.
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Postby phips » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:18 am

Asomoah Gyan? Seriously?
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby getdressedmctavish » Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:41 am

My mind was always open on Dinho.I thought he was a mobile player. As a key buy and the reason for moving Barry on he was too similar to Ya Ya for me and neither they nor the manager seemed to be able to work out what their respective roles were.There's no doubt he has grown with each game and v Arsenal he was immense.But I don't rate his ball winning like Big Blue, at least not yet, and we still have this problem of not dominating sides away. Like Souness I think this is down to central midfield. So, optimistic but a work in progress for me.
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Re: The Holding Midfielder - Interesting Read

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sat Dec 21, 2013 5:42 am

Funny thing here, of course, is that Yaya and Fernandinho play as very traditional box-to-box partnership. If anything, in Pellegrini's system that central midfielder role is retro. What I find interesting is how he uses the two attacking midfielders above them. It's very much according to individual strenghts. For example if it's Nasri and Silva they have freedom to roam as they will but line up both centrally whereas if Navas is there he plays as a winger making it sort of unbalanced (not in negative sense) formation.
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