Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Slim » Sat Dec 28, 2013 2:37 pm

Original Dub wrote:I think it's the copying of the latest "best team in europe" that trickles over from spain or italy or wherever.

Not so long ago it was the holding midfielder and you absolutely had to have one. Then it was tall, powerful centre mids. Then barca came along and it was all ball playing centre halves with small midfielders.

Then no need for the holding midfielder because we'll score more than them. Bayern seemed to be the first team that can do a barca and defend. We'll all try figure out their secret and copy accordingly.

But for now, everyone is right in thd middle of trying to be barcelona. Especially us. That's why I think you're seeing stronger attacks and much weaker defending.


Best part of five years in the premier league were dominated by Vieira and Keane, now the entire league is being asked to defend without any screening and it's gonna take some time for them to get it right.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Dec 29, 2013 8:01 am

Slim wrote:Do you think that might be because no-one ever starts off a defender? They all start off further up and get pushed backwards as they get older and better kids take their spot.


For once, I agree with OD!
I think it's everyone copying "the Barcelona way". The Barcelona way being more or less the 70's Ajax/Netherlands which Cruyff brought with him to Barcelona for his "Dream Team" of early 90's. The young midfield star of that team? Pep Guardiola. The captain of that team and mentor of Guardiola? Certain Txiki Beguiristain.

We aren't playing that base 4-3-3 but mentality is similar. Arsene Wenger was always intrigued and influenced by total football (says so in his autobiography). Rodgers love that pass and move style and wants his teams to entertain. Mourinho isn't from that school at all (his teams are very direct with solid back four) but his central defenders just aren't the kind of quality he expects. Moyes is tactically old school as well and uses little rotation while Ferguson was always about using players according to their strenghts so Moyes has wrong type of players as well.

All in all, we just happen to be moment in time where there are not many good defences (apart from Bayern) partly due to flavour of the month system and partly due to unprecented worldwide lack of talent. I fully expect that to change again in year or two.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby dazby » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:17 am

You do realise what you are doing here NQDP? You are praising the Bayern defence and as a result, two of their players: a Mr Boateng and more importantly a Mr Lahm.

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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:48 am

I think the quality of the pitch is something that needs to be considered as well. The likes of today's Barca or Bayern wouldn't have been able to play their fast paced, along the ground, passing thirty years ago. The amount of money poured into the game has also led to better pitches and for example over here in Sweden, most pitches nowadays are made of articial grass. It will be easier for people to get away with their dribbles and through balls than before. When Perez took over RM again his first aquisition was the pitch gardener (or whatever they're called) from Arsenal, who had recieved numerous awards for best pitch and so on.

With pitches of high quality, setting your team up for an offensive approach with less emphasis on defense is less risky than when the surface is all bumpy and sandy. There will, for example, be less cases of your attacks getting thwarted, followed by a risky counter attack, because of a pass going astray after hitting a bumpy patch on the pitch. Of course the arguments put forward above with the relative attractiveness of attacking football compared to defensive football, the changing rules of the game and the Barca copying are true as well. But I do think the increasing quality of pitches has to be put up there as a long term development that has spelled the decline for the defensive aspect of the game.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby zuricity » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:52 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:I think the quality of the pitch is something that needs to be considered as well. The likes of today's Barca or Bayern wouldn't have been able to play their fast paced, along the ground, passing thirty years ago. The amount of money poured into the game has also led to better pitches and for example over her in Sweden, most pitches nowadays are made of articial grass. It will be easier for people to get away with their dribbles and through balls than before. When Perez took over RM again his first aquisition was the pitch gardener (or whatever they're called) from Arsenal, who had recieved numerous awards for best pitch and so on.

With pitches of high quality, setting your team up for an offensive approach with less emphasis on defense is less risky than when the surface is all bumpy and sandy. Of course the arguments put forward above with the relative attractiveness of attacking football compared to defensive football, the changing rules of the game and the Barca copying are true as well. But I do think the increasing quality of pitches has to be put up there as a long term development that has spelled the decline for the defensive aspect of the game.


That's why cunning stunts like Pulis try to stop City by telling the gardener to not mow the lawn .As when we played them last season at Stoke !
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:55 am

zuricity wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:I think the quality of the pitch is something that needs to be considered as well. The likes of today's Barca or Bayern wouldn't have been able to play their fast paced, along the ground, passing thirty years ago. The amount of money poured into the game has also led to better pitches and for example over her in Sweden, most pitches nowadays are made of articial grass. It will be easier for people to get away with their dribbles and through balls than before. When Perez took over RM again his first aquisition was the pitch gardener (or whatever they're called) from Arsenal, who had recieved numerous awards for best pitch and so on.

With pitches of high quality, setting your team up for an offensive approach with less emphasis on defense is less risky than when the surface is all bumpy and sandy. Of course the arguments put forward above with the relative attractiveness of attacking football compared to defensive football, the changing rules of the game and the Barca copying are true as well. But I do think the increasing quality of pitches has to be put up there as a long term development that has spelled the decline for the defensive aspect of the game.


That's why cunning stunts like Pulis try to stop City by telling the gardener to not mow the lawn .As when we played them last season at Stoke !


I don't know if you're serious or not but it seems like a sound plan yes.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Ted Hughes » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:19 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
zuricity wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:I think the quality of the pitch is something that needs to be considered as well. The likes of today's Barca or Bayern wouldn't have been able to play their fast paced, along the ground, passing thirty years ago. The amount of money poured into the game has also led to better pitches and for example over her in Sweden, most pitches nowadays are made of articial grass. It will be easier for people to get away with their dribbles and through balls than before. When Perez took over RM again his first aquisition was the pitch gardener (or whatever they're called) from Arsenal, who had recieved numerous awards for best pitch and so on.

With pitches of high quality, setting your team up for an offensive approach with less emphasis on defense is less risky than when the surface is all bumpy and sandy. Of course the arguments put forward above with the relative attractiveness of attacking football compared to defensive football, the changing rules of the game and the Barca copying are true as well. But I do think the increasing quality of pitches has to be put up there as a long term development that has spelled the decline for the defensive aspect of the game.


That's why cunning stunts like Pulis try to stop City by telling the gardener to not mow the lawn .As when we played them last season at Stoke !


I don't know if you're serious or not but it seems like a sound plan yes.


It is a genuine tactic used by the likes of Pulis (& Moyes).

Players had to have different attributes in the past because of the conditions.

Imo if you played our current 'fitter' team v the Bell Lee & Summerbee team, on a shitheap at Maine Rd, there would be nothing left of our current 11 after 65 mins. They would all be injured & fucked, some for weeks afterwards. They would probably be 5 up as well, but in for a hellish last 25..
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Niall Quinns Discopants » Sun Dec 29, 2013 12:48 pm

dazby wrote:You do realise what you are doing here NQDP? You are praising the Bayern defence and as a result, two of their players: a Mr Boateng and more importantly a Mr Lahm.

Is this upside down day today?


Boateng is different player that the homesick lazy twat who was fannying around in right side of our defence. And massive credit to their backline and Pep for being able to carry around player like Lahm. Incidentally, very similar player to Kolarov.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Mase » Sun Dec 29, 2013 11:38 pm

Niall Quinns Discopants wrote: And massive credit to their backline and Pep for being able to carry around player like Lahm. Incidentally, very similar player to Kolarov.


Similar in that they have two eyes and one nose. Lahm isn't fit to lace the boots of Kola.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Pretty Boy Lee » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:18 am

Mase wrote: Similar in that they have two eyes and one nose. Lahm isn't fit to lace the boots of Kola.


Haha class.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Alioune DVToure » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:14 pm

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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Dubaimancityfan » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:45 pm

No doubt about after today !
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Beefymcfc » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:46 pm

Love him, just love him.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby nottsblue » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:47 pm

Cant grumble about today or the past month for that matter. Playing well and deserves credit
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Peter Doherty (AGAIG) » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:54 pm

Superb today. If he gets a run in the team he may well 'redeem' himself in the eyes of just about everyone.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby PeterParker » Wed Jan 01, 2014 2:55 pm

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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:20 pm

Several on here are eating humble pie, a couple even said in a thread earlier in the season that they never wanted to see him play for us again...
Proving everyone wrong and getting better by the week.

Well played Aleks.
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:30 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Several on here are eating humble pie, a couple even said in a thread earlier in the season that they never wanted to see him play for us again...
Proving everyone wrong and getting better by the week.

Well played Aleks.


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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Bridge'srightfoot » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:49 pm

Cocacolajojo wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Several on here are eating humble pie, a couple even said in a thread earlier in the season that they never wanted to see him play for us again...
Proving everyone wrong and getting better by the week.

Well played Aleks.


Who?

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King Kev wrote:He isn't interested is he?

He doesn't even pretend to be bothered!

I don't ever want to see him in a City shirt again.

Ever.


I am with you mate, fucking atrocious today. I hope this makes Pellegrini understand its clichy or zabba at left back.


Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I think he is fucking shite overall and sooner we get rid the better but oddly enough I thought this was one of his better performances for us. Not that it's saying much, but still.



freshie wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
Well miscontrolling the ball, giving it away with silly passes means you think he is decent, then I am lost for words


Exactly. One good tackle at the end of the game does not paper over the multitude of cracks in his game. Awful player, one of the worst left backs I have ever seen at City and the sooner we get rid the better
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Re: Aleks Kolarov: Redeemed?

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Wed Jan 01, 2014 4:50 pm

Bridge'srightfoot wrote:
Cocacolajojo wrote:
Bridge'srightfoot wrote:Several on here are eating humble pie, a couple even said in a thread earlier in the season that they never wanted to see him play for us again...
Proving everyone wrong and getting better by the week.

Well played Aleks.


Who?

Wonderwall wrote:
King Kev wrote:He isn't interested is he?

He doesn't even pretend to be bothered!

I don't ever want to see him in a City shirt again.

Ever.


I am with you mate, fucking atrocious today. I hope this makes Pellegrini understand its clichy or zabba at left back.


Niall Quinns Discopants wrote:I think he is fucking shite overall and sooner we get rid the better but oddly enough I thought this was one of his better performances for us. Not that it's saying much, but still.



freshie wrote:
Wonderwall wrote:
Well miscontrolling the ball, giving it away with silly passes means you think he is decent, then I am lost for words


Exactly. One good tackle at the end of the game does not paper over the multitude of cracks in his game. Awful player, one of the worst left backs I have ever seen at City and the sooner we get rid the better


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