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Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Invisible Man Fan » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:48 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25541739

France's highest court has approved a 75% tax on high earners that is one of President Francois Hollande's signature policies.

The initial proposal to tax individual incomes was ruled unconstitutional by the Constitutional Council almost exactly one year ago.

But the government modified it to make employers liable for the 75% tax on salaries exceeding 1m euros (£830,000).

The levy will last two years, affecting income earned this year and in 2014.

Football clubs in France threatened to go on strike earlier this year over the issue, saying many of France's clubs are financially fragile and say the plans could spark an exodus of top players who are paid huge salaries.

The Qatari-owned Paris Saint-Germain has more than 10 players whose pay exceeds 1m euros, including the Swedish striker Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

There has also been a chorus of protest from businesses and wealthy individuals who have condemned the tax - including film star Gerard Depardieu, who left the country in protest.

Polls suggest a large majority in France back the temporary tax.

Unlike many other countries in Europe, France aims to bring down its huge public deficit by raising taxes as well as some spending cuts.

The highest tax rate in the UK is 45% and is applied to individuals.




Seems as though this will hit the clubs pretty hard, and they won't be able to afford top wages for top players. I hope our government doesn't follow suit with this, we would lose all of our first team, and lose anyone that comes from the new academy who wants to earn a top wage.

What is it with French cocks messing with football???
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So, keep calm and do it the United way


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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Mikhail Chigorin » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:05 pm

I suppose if you were to objectively consider and debate all the relevant merits and drawbacks of this aspect of French fiscal policy, it would mean this thread might have to be transferred to the 'Other Topics' category.

However, in a purely footballing sense, no doubt Arsene Whinger is gleefully monitoring developments and the putative chance to get his hands on some more French players, without spending much on them, no doubt, unless Newcastle have something to say about it.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Slim » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:07 pm

Does this apply to Monaco as well?
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Twobob » Mon Dec 30, 2013 2:29 pm

Slim wrote:Does this apply to Monaco as well?


Wherent the rest of the French teams trying to make it law that for Monaco to be in the same league as them they had to be subjected to the same tax laws - obviously in anticipation of this being passed - not sure they got anywhere though.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby JamieMCFC » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:25 pm

Invisible Man Fan wrote:What is it with French cocks messing with football???


They are not targeting football.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Invisible Man Fan » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:53 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:What is it with French cocks messing with football???


They are not targeting football.


Not directly, but it will have an affect on their national league
"If we fire our manager after just one bad season - We'll become Chelsea"
"If we think we can fix the problem by buying expensive players - We'll become City"
"If we remember the good times to entertain us during the bad times - We'll become Liverpool"

So, keep calm and do it the United way


"We invest in young players, That is what we are good at — we’re not like other clubs who can spend fortunes on proven goods. We know that Manchester City are going to pay stupid money, pay silly salaries and all that. We can’t do anything about it. We concentrate on what we can do to try to bring players in for the right reasons. We invest in those who will be with the club for a long time, who will create the character of the club, who will create excitement for our fans. We are very proud of that and we are going to continue that way" - Alex Ferguson 14th May 2012
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby LookMumImOnMCF.net » Mon Dec 30, 2013 4:40 pm

Invisible Man Fan wrote:
Not directly, but it will have an affect on their national league

Surely you have to support a government willing to address the national deficit rather than keep a few well paid millionaires happy?
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Blue Since 76 » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:01 pm

Invisible Man Fan wrote:
There has also been a chorus of protest from businesses and wealthy individuals who have condemned the tax - including film star Gerard Depardieu, who left the country in protest.


If Gerry earns more than €1m a year, it tells you everything you need to know about the state of France.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby zuricity » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:11 pm

Blue Since 76 wrote:
If Gerry earns more than €1m a year, it tells you everything you need to know about the state of France.


Gerard is a somewhat special case. His Company received many millions in government subsidies to produce French films .

I don't understand the problem. So footballers stop playing around 34-35. ( i know , i know not at the swamp).

They have funds and a good pension to help them do something else.

What about the average joe that retrains at 34?
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:16 pm

LookMumImOnMCF.net wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:
Not directly, but it will have an affect on their national league

Surely you have to support a government willing to address the national deficit rather than keep a few well paid millionaires happy?


agreed. It's an amazing, but short term thing in theory.

What normal person would think that about 100 millionaires are more important than the average Frenchy who's having their challenges?

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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby JamieMCFC » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:44 pm

Invisible Man Fan wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:What is it with French cocks messing with football???


They are not targeting football.


Not directly, but it will have an affect on their national league


What's your point?
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:59 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:What is it with French cocks messing with football???


They are not targeting football.


Not directly, but it will have an affect on their national league


What's your point?


lemme translate:

All the millionaire footballers will unsettle for a move to where the money is or push for a trebling of their wages.

Russian league the big winner in all this if it happens, but just for a short while i think.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Twobob » Mon Dec 30, 2013 8:10 pm

I wonder if Spain are going to implement something similar ...

45% would seem attractive to Messi ;-)
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby JamieMCFC » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:06 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:
Invisible Man Fan wrote:What is it with French cocks messing with football???


They are not targeting football.


Not directly, but it will have an affect on their national league


What's your point?


lemme translate:

All the millionaire footballers will unsettle for a move to where the money is or push for a trebling of their wages.

Russian league the big winner in all this if it happens, but just for a short while i think.


Not what I was getting at. Why should there be an exception be made for football? Do you think the politicians that passed this law care about the sport?
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby BlueinBosnia » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:10 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:Not what I was getting at. Why should there be an exception be made for football? Do you think the politicians that passed this law care about the sport?

I think Spain has (or had?) an exemption for 'culturally significant' individuals to its 'super tax', and French clubs were angling for something similar.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby JamieMCFC » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:13 pm

BlueinBosnia wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:Not what I was getting at. Why should there be an exception be made for football? Do you think the politicians that passed this law care about the sport?

I think Spain has (or had?) an exemption for 'culturally significant' individuals to its 'super tax', and French clubs were angling for something similar.


I know the clubs where trying too. But from what I read it was never going to happen. IIRC the tax exemption was for foreigners playing in Spain and that has ended.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby DoomMerchant » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:18 pm

JamieMCFC wrote:
Not what I was getting at. Why should there be an exception be made for football? Do you think the politicians that passed this law care about the sport?


What the fuck are you getting at then? They aren't making an exception.
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby JamieMCFC » Mon Dec 30, 2013 10:30 pm

DoomMerchant wrote:
JamieMCFC wrote:
Not what I was getting at. Why should there be an exception be made for football? Do you think the politicians that passed this law care about the sport?


What the fuck are you getting at then? They aren't making an exception.


I wasn't even talking to your bald ass. No shit they aren't making an exception. But the thread starter seems to think they should. Here's an idea stick to your non-witty comments.

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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby john@staustell » Tue Dec 31, 2013 7:47 am

It's not just the end of French football it's also another nail in their economy. Classic old-fashioned socialism tried and failed many times. 'Lets tax the rich', they say, so all the rich bugger off, tax revenues shrink (always without fail) and there is no incentive for any entrepreneurial activity, reducing the prospect of employment and shrinking the economy even more.

Surprised there's still any dinosaur Marxixsts out there who believe in it - or is it ideology/populism over prioritised over sense and the economy?
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Re: Is this the end for French football on a European Scale?

Postby Tokyo Blue » Tue Dec 31, 2013 8:08 am

They'll all sod off for two years then come back when it is thrown out.

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