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Postby Herb » Fri Jan 17, 2014 1:14 pm

A long winded but interesting article setting out the Glaziers mode of operation in sports business (profit based) and a sobering message to the rags. Read on and be very grateful for having our marvelous owners!

Manchester United: profits before goals

By Simon Kuper and Roger Blitz
Recent setbacks for one of the world’s most famous football clubs reflect the owners’ approach
With a warning that his results “have not lived up to our standards”, the Glazer family lost patience and fired their club’s coach.
The man they sacked on December 30 was Greg Schiano of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, their American gridiron football team. Yet some fans of the Glazers’ other club, Manchester United, want the same fate for their manager too. David Moyes – who succeeded Sir Alex Ferguson last May – has overseen three United losses in seven days, an exit from the FA Cup, and the club has all but forfeited the league title it won 12 times in 21 years.
United’s long English hegemony may well have ended. Moyes has a modest reputation, having never managed a giant club or won a trophy, but the club’s problems go deeper. Sir Alex also bears some blame. But the chief culprits for United’s slide are probably the Glazers themselves. Almost uniquely in football, they run their club as a profit-seeking business. With Sir Alex gone, the family’s pursuit of profits is now likely to impede United’s pursuit of trophies. Private equity-style management has squeezed investment in the UK’s most famous sports club.
The Glazers represent a new kind of football club owner to have emerged in recent years: the profit-driven investor, usually American. There are now six US majority owners of Premier League clubs, including John Henry at Liverpool and Stan Kroenke at Arsenal. They seek to earn money from their clubs rather than winning at all costs. That makes them different from the “sugar daddies” – the sheikhs and oligarchs who treat their clubs as playthings and throw money at them. A conflict between the two kinds of owner now looms.
When Sir Alex retired after a nearly 27-year reign, decline was almost inevitable given his reputation as one of the most admired managers in British business. He proved his worth particularly after 2003. Before then, United’s dominance had been the logical consequence of money. It had the highest revenues in global football from 1997 to 2004. High revenues usually translate into high salaries for players, and the team with the highest wages typically wins the title.
Yet after 2003, rival plutocrats emerged. In that year, Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich bought Chelsea and began outspending United. Internationally, Real Madrid has topped Deloitte’s “Football Money League” every season since 2005. In 2008 Sheikh Mansour of Abu Dhabi bought Manchester City and began outspending everybody.
By contrast, the new owners of Manchester United completed their £790m leveraged buyout in 2005 intending to earn money. Scarcely anyone in Britain had heard of Malcolm Glazer or his six children before they began buying United shares in 2003. Malcolm, the son of Lithuanian Jewish immigrants to the US, took over the family watchmaking business as a teenager during the second world war. He later expanded into junk bonds, nursing homes and sausage skins. In 1995 he paid $192m for the Buccaneers. His interest in United was driven by his soccer-loving sons: Joel, Bryan and Avram had been season-ticket holders of the Rochester Lancers, a team in upstate New York. By the time Malcolm suffered two strokes in 2006, the sons were running the company. Avram and Joel are now United’s co-chairmen.
They seem always to have envisaged United as a long-term investment. Aware that British football clubs had traditionally kept ticket prices down, and seeing that foreign interest in the Premier League was rising, they bet correctly that revenues would grow – United is now worth at least double what they paid for it. They kept a lid on costs and have since extracted more than £500m in interest, management fees, bank charges and debt repayments to service loans of £525m borrowed to fund the takeover.
In recent seasons, United has had only the third-highest wage bill in England. Still the team kept winning: from 2007 to 2013 they clinched five English titles and reached three Champions League finals, winning one. It was statistically perhaps the club’s best period in history.
If it were possible to copy Sir Alex’s methods, other managers would have done so long ago. Commentators have struggled to identify specific reasons for his success, which is why his new career as a management guru will probably disappoint and why no successor could expect to match him.
Last May he said: “The quality of this league-winning squad, and the balance of ages within it, bodes well for continued success.” It does not look that way now.
Sir Alex constructed a team that peaked in his last season. He sweated United’s assets to the maximum. The £24m he spent on Arsenal’s injury-prone striker Robin van Persie in 2012 had a short-term pay-off: the Dutchman’s brilliant first six months at United sealed Sir Alex’s last title. But now Van Persie is 30 and injured again. Several other players are older.
Moyes has made mistakes. His sole signing last summer was Marouane Fellaini, bought from his old club Everton for £27.5m. Chelsea’s coach José Mourinho – who was a contender to succeed Sir Alex – once said any manager who buys players from his old club risks looking underinformed about the broader talent market. Fellaini has struggled at United. Moyes, however, is chasing Everton’s Leighton Baines. He also replaced several of Sir Alex’s backroom staff with his own men. Whereas Sir Alex sought a diversity of views, Moyes risks encouraging groupthink.
Yet the Glazers, who gave Moyes a six-year contract, intend to keep him. They expected a bumpy transition. In some senses Moyes suits them more than the autocratic Sir Alex, because he allows them more say in their own club. Ed Woodward, United’s vice-chairman and the Glazers’ appointee, speaks to Moyes at least once a day. The manager will be given time. The squad’s age could work to his advantage, allowing him to bring in his own players this summer.
The Glazers are patient partly because – unlike most of United’s fans – they are not desperate for trophies. The business plan is predicated on finishing third in the Premier League and reaching the Champions League quarter-finals. The Glazers know that with the third-highest wage bill in England, and without Sir Alex, third place is a realistic expectation. Even missing the Champions League for a year or two would not be disastrous.
The Glazers will give Moyes money for transfers (United has £80m in cash) while pursuing profits. They will continue to cap spending accordingly. Three of the four highest transfer fees United has ever paid preceded the Glazers’ takeover, despite inflation and football’s rising revenues since 2005. In 2002 and 2004 United bought the young stars Rio Ferdinand and Wayne Rooney for large sums. If similar players became available today, United probably could not afford their fees or wages. In 2011-12, the last season for which figures are available, United spent just 51 per cent of turnover on wages – the second-lowest proportion in the Premier League, after Norwich. (Similarly, at the Buccaneers, the Glazers spend famously little on players.) Only Sir Alex could be expected to achieve cut-price success. United’s transition has, therefore, redirected attention to the Glazers’ model of ownership.
In the US, many sports franchises, including the Buccaneers, make profits. The American investors who have bought English soccer clubs in recent years have aimed to do the same, or at least to make a large capital gain when selling. Their cost-consciousness puts them at odds with the sugar-daddy owners, who have driven up spending on players. The profit seekers want to drive it down. They hope European football’s new rules on “financial fair play” will stop the sugar daddies’ clubs from spending more than their revenues. There are signs that “FFP” is already modestly slowing growth in players’ wages.
That should keep United’s business purring along. The club’s commercial office has been busy with deals, headed by a seven-year shirt contract with General Motors for $559m. The Premier League’s global television rights also keep rising. United predicts annual revenues of up to £430m and pre-tax earnings of £130m, while gross debt has fallen to £360m.
If that pleases the Glazers, most United fans would probably welcome a new owner less focused on profits. But the family shows no appetite to sell. Jim O’Neill, former chairman of Goldman Sachs Asset Management, who led an attempt by wealthy United fans to buy the club in 2010, believes it is a myth the owners will remain for the long term. The problem, he said, is that “nobody will pay them what they would readily sell the club for tomorrow”.
Although United’s share price on the New York Stock Exchange has slumped from $19 last summer to just over $15 and hedge funds have taken short positions, the club’s market value is still $2.5bn – far above the price of any past sports club deal.
One future for United under Moyes-Glazer rule is as a northern version of Arsenal. The London club has won no trophies since 2005, but always does enough to qualify for the lucrative Champions League, and makes profits. That suits the American majority owner, Mr Kroenke: the club’s market capitalisation has risen over the years to £949m. It does not suit Arsenal’s fans. United’s supporters, having long mocked the discontent of their rivals, may come to share it.
United’s saga raises a fundamental question: what is a football club for? To the Glazers, it is a business. To the fans, it is an ancient glory-seeking institution – more like a museum, or a church, than a company. Bacon face delivered both profits and glory. In future, the club may have to choose one or the other.
If we had De Gea and the rags had Hart, we'd be top with a 9 point lead and they'd be in 12th place - that's the difference between a 'good' keeper and a 'top class' keeper - 12 places - think about it.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Tesl » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:19 pm

I think its a good article and more than likely an accurate one. Our beloved Sheikh is clearly in this for the long run and wants to make the name "City" synonymous with great attacking and more importantly successful football. Who knows how long Abramovich will be around but at least he clearly wants to win things too. United, Arsenal or Liverpool? Winning is nice but not necessary, and if they needed to invest an additional 100m to make the step from 3rd to 1st, they wouldn't be willing to do it. Because the additional prize money is nowhere close.

Hopefully the Glazers will hang on to that club indefinitely, and for potentially a very long time we could well see United remain competitive at the high end of the table but not really able to compete at the very top. Not because they can't afford to, but because they just don't need to.

I also think Moyes is the perfect recruit to play out that plan, so long may things continue exactly as they are right now. It couldn't really be more perfect.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Fri Jan 17, 2014 2:51 pm

I don't really think City can be described as the Sheik's plaything, there is too much purpose in what we are doing for that, but otherwise very interesting.

The main thing troubling the sensible rags I know is not the short term results but the lack of a long term plan. Exactly the opposite of what the new Academy, ground extension, NYCFC, Ladies' team, and probably other things we don't know about yet, suggest we have in place.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Invisible Man Fan » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:17 pm

I agree with most of that, but the Sheikh is in it for the money, not as a play thing.

Difference is that he is happy to invest now, knowing that the club will become self sustainable in the future and provide an income for his family and future generations once the oil wealth of his nation disappears.

He is, in my opinion, the smartest club owner the Premier League has ever seen.

When I was a nipper, my Dad always used to say to me "You've got to speculate to accumulate", and I think that is exactly what Mr Mansour is doing
"If we fire our manager after just one bad season - We'll become Chelsea"
"If we think we can fix the problem by buying expensive players - We'll become City"
"If we remember the good times to entertain us during the bad times - We'll become Liverpool"

So, keep calm and do it the United way


"We invest in young players, That is what we are good at — we’re not like other clubs who can spend fortunes on proven goods. We know that Manchester City are going to pay stupid money, pay silly salaries and all that. We can’t do anything about it. We concentrate on what we can do to try to bring players in for the right reasons. We invest in those who will be with the club for a long time, who will create the character of the club, who will create excitement for our fans. We are very proud of that and we are going to continue that way" - Alex Ferguson 14th May 2012
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby DoomMerchant » Fri Jan 17, 2014 3:55 pm

Invisible Man Fan wrote:I agree with most of that, but the Sheikh is in it for the money, not as a play thing.

Difference is that he is happy to invest now, knowing that the club will become self sustainable in the future and provide an income for his family and future generations once the oil wealth of his nation disappears.

He is, in my opinion, the smartest club owner the Premier League has ever seen.

When I was a nipper, my Dad always used to say to me "You've got to speculate to accumulate", and I think that is exactly what Mr Mansour is doing


what the fuck were you talking to your dad about as a small child that he'd offer that advice?

is this your father? Be honest.

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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Chinners » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:01 pm

Ummmmmmmm - No swearing in thread titles ;)
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Hutch's Shoulder » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:02 pm

Invisible Man Fan wrote:When I was a nipper, my Dad always used to say to me "You've got to speculate to accumulate", and I think that is exactly what Mr Mansour is doing


My dad says that too, but he means visiting the bookies, so not good advice in his case.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby frankswift » Fri Jan 17, 2014 4:23 pm

Where's the article from, Herb?
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Herb » Fri Jan 17, 2014 7:32 pm

frankswift wrote:Where's the article from, Herb?


Truth is that I copied it off rag cafe - I was having a peek to see how they're taking the stock price fall and this article was in there. It had a link to the source but it was a pay to see online magazine so I copied and pasted from the thread.
If we had De Gea and the rags had Hart, we'd be top with a 9 point lead and they'd be in 12th place - that's the difference between a 'good' keeper and a 'top class' keeper - 12 places - think about it.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Jan 19, 2014 5:35 am

I hope they're tomorrows (same old ) City . . .
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby nottsblue » Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:40 am

I hope they fall further than that. To be fair to Arsenal, to reach champs league every year for last 16(?) is a great achievement and has kept coffers ticking over as they are in pot1 guaranteed.
I want the rags to emulate at least the dippers and to slip outside top4. These far eastern and worldwide 600 million 'fans' will soon decrease rapidly as we take over. It's then a vicious circle. Less revenue = poorer players = even poorer results = less revenue and so on whilst the Glazers rape the club for every penny and the debts climb and climb until implosion.

Of course, the Glazers could end up selling to another deep pocketed investor and the rags demise might be short lived. I hope not. I want them to know what pain really is and it is not finishing 5th.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:44 am

RodneyRodney wrote:I hope they're tomorrows (same old ) City . . .


I stand corrected.
I hope they're tomorrows Leeds.
Or Accrington Stanley.
Though I'd miss humiliating them twice a season, (. . . not that we'd need the easy 6 points)
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Slim » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:49 am

RodneyRodney wrote:
RodneyRodney wrote:I hope they're tomorrows (same old ) City . . .


I stand corrected.
I hope they're tomorrows Leeds.
Or Accrington Stanley.
Though I'd miss humiliating them twice a season, (. . . not that we'd need the easy 6 points)


Portsmouth, Wimbledon.
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:54 am

Yes , Wimbledon. Now there's a thought. Suppose the Glazers decide to demolish the swamp and move them to . . . .um. Warrington ?
Consett ? Cleethorpes ? Dublin ?

I know ! Fleetwood !!

Maybe this is worth it's own thread - how would we all feel if this happened ? (. . . very hungover, after the week-long street party is my answer)
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Socrates » Sun Jan 19, 2014 9:57 am

RodneyRodney wrote:Yes , Wimbledon. Now there's a thought. Suppose the Glazers decide to demolish the swamp and move them to . . . .um. Warrington ?
Consett ? Cleethorpes ? Dublin ?

I know ! Fleetwood !!

Maybe this is worth it's own thread - how would we all feel if this happened ? (. . . very hungover, after the week-long street party is my answer)


Be careful what you wish for. They might demolish the swamp and move them to Manchester :o
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby RodneyRodney » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:04 am

Socrates wrote:
RodneyRodney wrote:Yes , Wimbledon. Now there's a thought. Suppose the Glazers decide to demolish the swamp and move them to . . . .um. Warrington ?
Consett ? Cleethorpes ? Dublin ?

I know ! Fleetwood !!

Maybe this is worth it's own thread - how would we all feel if this happened ? (. . . very hungover, after the week-long street party is my answer)


Be careful what you wish for. They might demolish the swamp and move them to Manchester :o

Ok, very good.
But the obvious fan's choice would be London. London United . Can you imagine it ?
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Re: Man United are tomorrows Arsenal

Postby Dipstick » Sun Jan 19, 2014 10:15 am

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