Anelka, Nasri, Quenelle and anti-semtism

[zuricity]

btw, nasri already apologised for gesture, and mamadou sakho, who also has performed it, claimed he was "tricked":

http://www.theguardian.com/football/201 ... st-brom-fa

in the states nba/san antonio spurs star, tony parker, was also photographed having made the gesture with the comedian, and he quickly apologised as well:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1905 ... le-gesture

another french nba player, boris diaw has also been photographed performing it with dieudonne.

what is interesting is that anelka has not backtracked as these other athletes have, i.e. not apologised, but said he will not perform it during games.

the right wing local new york tabloid the new york post, of course posted information suggesting the comedian holds views similar to former iranian prez,

http://nypost.com/2013/12/30/spurs-park ... i-gesture/

here's my thing. the whole thing is complicated and blurred by various biases people have. in america being anti-zionist is practically considered anti-semetic in some circles. for zionist identifying jews this scares them to death, fair or not fair. to more conservative christians they love israel, and the most conservative of course hold it key to their idea of 'the rapture.' criticisms of israeli policy towards palestinians has grown more popular but it's not as big of an issue here as it is in europe.

now, i don't claim to know much about dieudonne, but i am reading a few places that he is known to be critical of the state of israel, which for muslims is a widely held view, as are many of the players who have performed the gesture with the comedian. however, it's one thing to be anti-zionist, but IF he was a supporter of ahmadinejad, that person loses credibility.

that man used tricks and cons via pseudo-intellectual concepts like "we must question everything" (i'm paraphrasing) to challenge the idea that the extermination of jews by the nazis, something that is well documented historically, should be something to question as fact.

now, i don't trust what i read in the ny post because they are about as bad as the sun when it comes to reporting, but it would be interesting to know what was going on with the support of the comedian and his act. we know in france there is a strong divide between immigrants and musims and traditionally white french society that has festered for years.

i suspect some do support his views, at least on being anti-zionist or at least critical of israeli policy towards palestine, but it's a political nightmare to take that risk, and some didn't think it through. my other suspscion is anelka may have known more of what he was doing as he is a convert to islam in 2004, during the hight of the iraq war.

I think you are now making a mountain out of a molehill.

[PrezIke]

I think you are now making a mountain out of a molehill.

I was merely documenting what has transpired and commented on the difference between being critical of israeli policies and being anti-jewish. How exactly is that making this into a mountain? And there have been several articles written about the topic the last day or so and players are having to apologise for their behaviour.

Seems like it isnt a molehill and is worthy of discussion. I am curious about what is actually going on with the subject.

Care to elaborate?

[PrezIke]

Another main point i wanted to make was i think for some players it may been for harmless reasons but not necessarily all i.e. Anelka perhaps.

[Fidel Castro]

The fact people are only just jumping on Sakho and Nasri, months after they were pictured, says enough. If there was any historical relevance, surely it would've been known? It looks like racist Zionists are trying to pull the race card, even though they aren't a race. They are an ideology. A racist one at that.

[zuricity]

I was merely documenting what has transpired and commented on the difference between being critical of israeli policies and being anti-jewish. How exactly is that making this into a mountain? And there have been several articles written about the topic the last day or so and players are having to apologise for their behaviour. Seems like it isnt a molehill.

Care to ellaborate?

Sure, the wider we search for incidents that have little relevance to the Anelka incident, the more confusing it gets.
Did anyone on this website ever bring up this topic about other sports and players in the UK , let alone the world before last weekend?

This is a city forum first and foremost and a football forum to boot. Not a political vehicle.

I'm surprised the guys that manage the site haven't closed this thread already, because as far as City is concerned it isn't about us, but about what Anelka did in a footy match.

[zuricity]

I was merely documenting what has transpired and commented on the difference between being critical of israeli policies and being anti-jewish. How exactly is that making this into a mountain? And there have been several articles written about the topic the last day or so and players are having to apologise for their behaviour. Seems like it isnt a molehill.

Care to ellaborate?

I just did and went through a tunnel and the app crashed, so i can't be bothered to re write it. Suffice it to say, politics doesn't belong on a website about man city. This is a football forum, there are ample websites available to discuss politics and nobody on this website was interested in the french comic until last saturday. His antics never got a mention on here before, well not that i have read on here.

Edit : well that's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

[Cocacolajojo1]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2014/jan/21/nicolas-anelka-charged-fa-quenelle-gesture

Bravo, sort of.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't know enough about the details to know if the gesture itself is racist or whether it's a gesture which has been hijacked by racists (those using it at places like Auschwitz are clearly racist & sick in the head). But racists have tried in the past to hijack the British flag, so it's easy for these things to get muddled.

In the end, although I'm not keen at all on the antics of Israel myself or the way they try to use the race card when people disagree with the politics of that country, & I wish we would have nothing to do with them politically at all, I doubt that the place to discuss this is in football circles, & someone using this controversial gesture after scoring a goal is a fucking idiot.

Whether he is also racist though, I have no idea, but it's not right to brand him as such if he isn't. If however this is a confirmed racist gesture, they should throw the book at him. Can of worms. He is certainly a fucking dickhead either way.

[Cocacolajojo1]

He is certainly a fucking dickhead either way.

I agree wholeheartedly!

[Sideshow Bob]

where is that "attempting to give a fuck in 3...2...1" gif when you need it?

[frankswift]

I don't know enough about the details to know if the gesture itself is racist or whether it's a gesture which has been hijacked by racists (those using it at places like Auschwitz are clearly racist & sick in the head). But racists have tried in the past to hijack the British flag, so it's easy for these things to get muddled.

In the end, although I'm not keen at all on the antics of Israel myself or the way they try to use the race card when people disagree with the politics of that country, & I wish we would have nothing to do with them politically at all, I doubt that the place to discuss this is in football circles, & someone using this controversial gesture after scoring a goal is a fucking idiot.

Whether he is also racist though, I have no idea, but it's not right to brand him as such if he isn't. If however this is a confirmed racist gesture, they should throw the book at him. Can of worms. He is certainly a fucking dickhead either way.

+ 1

... but if something is used overwhelmingly as a racist symbol it's difficult to make nice distinctions. A fylfot is a heraldic and a buddhist symbol that's a thousand years old but it's still the same shape as a swastika. So don't hang one from your window, especially if you want sponsorship from someone who happens to be jewish.

I doubt very much if Paul Gascoigne is a racist - in his case, miming playing a flute when he was at Rangers didn't mean he's a Unionist, it just showed that he's two drops short of a piss.

I don't know if Anelka's a racist. But - for quenelle! - if he hadn't picked up from his comedian friend that it's controversial then by comparison Paul Gascoigne's more like Bamber Gascoigne.

[Ted Hughes]

I don't know enough about the details to know if the gesture itself is racist or whether it's a gesture which has been hijacked by racists (those using it at places like Auschwitz are clearly racist & sick in the head). But racists have tried in the past to hijack the British flag, so it's easy for these things to get muddled.

In the end, although I'm not keen at all on the antics of Israel myself or the way they try to use the race card when people disagree with the politics of that country, & I wish we would have nothing to do with them politically at all, I doubt that the place to discuss this is in football circles, & someone using this controversial gesture after scoring a goal is a fucking idiot.

Whether he is also racist though, I have no idea, but it's not right to brand him as such if he isn't. If however this is a confirmed racist gesture, they should throw the book at him. Can of worms. He is certainly a fucking dickhead either way.

+ 1

... but if something is used overwhelmingly as a racist symbol it's difficult to make nice distinctions. A fylfot is a heraldic and a buddhist symbol that's a thousand years old but it's still the same shape as a swastika. So don't hang one from your window, especially if you want sponsorship from someone who happens to be jewish.

I doubt very much if Paul Gascoigne is a racist - in his case, miming playing a flute when he was at Rangers didn't mean he's a Unionist, it just showed that he's two drops short of a piss.

I don't know if Anelka's a racist. But - for quenelle! - if he hadn't picked up from his comedian friend that it's controversial then by comparison Paul Gascoigne's more like Bamber Gascoigne.

Is his mate confirmed as being genuinely racist as opposed to being anti Israel politics then ? If so, it is pretty hard to believe Anelka isn't aware of what he's doing.

I certainly won't be investigating French comedy in order to form an opinion.

[frankswift]

Is his mate confirmed as being genuinely racist as opposed to being anti Israel politics then ? If so, it is pretty hard to believe Anelka isn't aware of what he's doing.

I certainly won't be investigating French comedy in order to form an opinion.

Dunno. This all segues into the zionism-is-racist-no-it-isn't debate. And that's a debate where nobody changes their view. Let's watch some French comedy on youtube instead.

[mr_nool]

I don't know enough about the details to know if the gesture itself is racist or whether it's a gesture which has been hijacked by racists (those using it at places like Auschwitz are clearly racist & sick in the head). But racists have tried in the past to hijack the British flag, so it's easy for these things to get muddled.

In the end, although I'm not keen at all on the antics of Israel myself or the way they try to use the race card when people disagree with the politics of that country, & I wish we would have nothing to do with them politically at all, I doubt that the place to discuss this is in football circles, & someone using this controversial gesture after scoring a goal is a fucking idiot.

Whether he is also racist though, I have no idea, but it's not right to brand him as such if he isn't. If however this is a confirmed racist gesture, they should throw the book at him. Can of worms. He is certainly a fucking dickhead either way.

+ 1

... but if something is used overwhelmingly as a racist symbol it's difficult to make nice distinctions. A fylfot is a heraldic and a buddhist symbol that's a thousand years old but it's still the same shape as a swastika. So don't hang one from your window, especially if you want sponsorship from someone who happens to be jewish.

I doubt very much if Paul Gascoigne is a racist - in his case, miming playing a flute when he was at Rangers didn't mean he's a Unionist, it just showed that he's two drops short of a piss.

I don't know if Anelka's a racist. But - for quenelle! - if he hadn't picked up from his comedian friend that it's controversial then by comparison Paul Gascoigne's more like Bamber Gascoigne.

Is his mate confirmed as being genuinely racist as opposed to being anti Israel politics then ? If so, it is pretty hard to believe Anelka isn't aware of what he's doing.

I certainly won't be investigating French comedy in order to form an opinion.

It could very well be that the French bloke's political adversaries throw the race card to discredit him.
If the French comedian actually invented the bloody gesture, he should be the one who has the biggest say in what it means ...

[Alioune DVToure]

And to think how Anelka could've swerved all this just by claiming he'd hurt his left elbow.

[Cocacolajojo1]

And to think how Anelka could've swerved all this just by claiming he'd hurt his left elbow.

He could've blaimed it on the jewish and masonic conspiracy to control the world.

[Slim]

And to think how Anelka could've swerved all this just by claiming he'd hurt his left elbow.

He could've blaimed it on the jewish and masonic conspiracy to control the world.

Could have claimed he was trying the baby cradle celebration and got confused.

[Alioune DVToure]

And to think how Anelka could've swerved all this just by claiming he'd hurt his left elbow.

He could've blaimed it on the jewish and masonic conspiracy to control the world.

Could have claimed he was trying the baby cradle celebration and got confused.

Or that he was going for a bit of Locomotion action but accidentally skipped a couple of moves.

It's stuck in my head now, which is unhelpful.

[Dunne's Half-Time Pint]

It could very well be that the French bloke's political adversaries throw the race card to discredit him.
If the French comedian actually invented the bloody gesture, he should be the one who has the biggest say in what it means ...

Nah. The guy's a confirmed loon - raving anti semite who released a song punning a hebrew word for disaster (means holocaust to french jews) and the french word for pineapple.

The gesture is an upside down nazi salute. You can't claim owndership of that - it is what it is. Like a big racist cunty duck.

[mr_nool]

Nah. The guy's a confirmed loon - raving anti semite who released a song punning a hebrew word for disaster (means holocaust to french jews) and the french word for pineapple.

The gesture is an upside down nazi salute. You can't claim owndership of that - it is what it is. Like a big racist cunty duck.

Yeah, I just read up on the bloke (thanks to Cocacolajojo). Just based on the company he keeps, I would say that it's fairly safe to call him a rascist, antisemitic prick.