Who gets the credit? Bobby or Pellers?

[Florida Blue]

No brainer here... Pellers.

Mancini was handed a club that was already very strong and won a league title and an FA Cup. But I think more than anything he hindered greater achievements and that is why he is no longer at City. I am certain a competent manager, for example Roberto Martinez (forget what he has done this year, I mean at the time Mancini took over) could have done better and gotten more out of his players. Mancini was as, if not more, disruptive to the team culture than Tevez or Mario.

Pellers on the other hand was also handed a very strong squad, and I think his slow start away from home can be attributed to a new system, and players finding themselves in their role. All you have to do is look at (in the order they "woke" up) is Nasri, Kolarov, and now finally Dzeko, (and dare I say Garcia??) see they are playing under a manager they want to win for, in a system where they can thrive. What he did by adding Fernandinho and Negredo, is add player that just augmented the squad. The only issue I can really see is the hole left when Barry left. That said if Garcia really has finally gotten the system then that is no longer an issue, and we have a younger player who is not out of contract soon.

Lastly, what Pellers did with Joe Hart was nothing short of brilliant. Not only did Joe handle it like a professional (the photo of him and Micah sitting on the bench throwing seeds(?) at teammates during this time just showed he wasn't moping about), but the team did not suffer a loss with Costel in goal. To that end, Costel was happy, successful, and is now seen as the perfect deputy for Hart. Hart came back and seems to have recaptured the from he has in 2011-12.

Mancini should be proud of his achievements, but it is time for him to focus on his current job.

[Socrates]

Is it just me that finds this agenda driven nastiness against Mancini objectionable? He brought in that bit of toughness that we needed to break the trophy draught and then win the league. Has Pellegrini taken us forward in terms of style of play?: YES. Does he get credit for that?: YES. Did he have a solid base to build on?: YES Is Mancini another Mourinho in that he can deliver short term success but then divisiveness sets it back? : STARTING TO LOOK THAT WAY. Will Pellegrini be tough enough when it comes to "squeaky bum time": WE DON'T KNOW YET.

Credit for our current style of football and goal scoring record - Pellegrini. Credit for the development of the squad? Bit of both, not getting hung up on who signed who but Zabba and Kompany improved hugely under Mancini and some good signings were made. Pellegrini is taking us forward, no doubt, but refighting the battles of old is fucking pointless and unnecessary. Let's enjoy the football we are seeing now, give credit to Mancini for what he achieved in the past, and wait to enjoy the even bigger trophy haul that is, I believe, coming our way in the future!

[branny]

I actually think bringing back Tevez was Bob's best decision as a City manager. He put the club ahead of himself and it won us the title.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

I'm not sure he had much choice with Tevez. His mind was made up for him when Mario got sent off at Arsenal. Had he not been, would Tevez have been selected? We'll never know.

Whoever decided to sign the beast deserves a big pat on the back. While everyone was going on about Cavani and Falcao we snuck this one under the radar and what a signing he's proved to be.

I felt sorry for Hughes when he got sacked because I thought he was doing a decent job but he seemed to be reluctant (or maybe unable) to look outside the premiership for any world class talent, that's where Bob was an upgrade. Would Les have even looked.to sign the likes of Yaya, Silva and Aguero? Bobs problem was he had the squad but not the man management and seemed to stifle our attacking play after we won the league. Pellers again is an upgrade. The man management is right and we're playing to our strengths. Look how Dzeko's attitude has changed over recent weeks. No celebration when he scored against Norwich but playing with a smile on his face now. I think Pellers has made them realise what an opportunity they have and if they leave us there are very few.upwardly mobile options.

[Slim]

My mistake, I misconstrued the fact you weren't replying to me on the basis that you were replying to me.

I did reply to you.

He put fat fucking Kolo Toure in the middle of the defence v Bayern away, & we were totally disorganised & got off to a shit start in the group when we had actually looked the better team until crappy defensive mistakes crept in.

It was ridiculous.

I don't think his points total there is anything to use in his defence. He dicked around with the team & tactics , both seasons.

No you're of course right. A points total over 6 games is no defence, one player selected in one game is a much keener representation.

[blues-clues]

Is it just me that finds this agenda driven nastiness against Mancini objectionable? He brought in that bit of toughness that we needed to break the trophy draught and then win the league. Has Pellegrini taken us forward in terms of style of play?: YES. Does he get credit for that?: YES. Did he have a solid base to build on?: YES Is Mancini another Mourinho in that he can deliver short term success but then divisiveness sets it back? : STARTING TO LOOK THAT WAY. Will Pellegrini be tough enough when it comes to "squeaky bum time": WE DON'T KNOW YET.

Credit for our current style of football and goal scoring record - Pellegrini. Credit for the development of the squad? Bit of both, not getting hung up on who signed who but Zabba and Kompany improved hugely under Mancini and some good signings were made. Pellegrini is taking us forward, no doubt, but refighting the battles of old is fucking pointless and unnecessary. Let's enjoy the football we are seeing now, give credit to Mancini for what he achieved in the past, and wait to enjoy the even bigger trophy haul that is, I believe, coming our way in the future!

It is Mancini who re-opened the debate with some ridiculous claims including the one that the current City team is basically his work.

[JamieMCFC]

Is it just me that finds this agenda driven nastiness against Mancini objectionable? He brought in that bit of toughness that we needed to break the trophy draught and then win the league. Has Pellegrini taken us forward in terms of style of play?: YES. Does he get credit for that?: YES. Did he have a solid base to build on?: YES Is Mancini another Mourinho in that he can deliver short term success but then divisiveness sets it back? : STARTING TO LOOK THAT WAY. Will Pellegrini be tough enough when it comes to "squeaky bum time": WE DON'T KNOW YET.

Credit for our current style of football and goal scoring record - Pellegrini. Credit for the development of the squad? Bit of both, not getting hung up on who signed who but Zabba and Kompany improved hugely under Mancini and some good signings were made. Pellegrini is taking us forward, no doubt, but refighting the battles of old is fucking pointless and unnecessary. Let's enjoy the football we are seeing now, give credit to Mancini for what he achieved in the past, and wait to enjoy the even bigger trophy haul that is, I believe, coming our way in the future!

Now we just need the other one to post in this thread.

[carl_feedthegoat]

Is it just me that finds this agenda driven nastiness against Mancini objectionable? He brought in that bit of toughness that we needed to break the trophy draught and then win the league. Has Pellegrini taken us forward in terms of style of play?: YES. Does he get credit for that?: YES. Did he have a solid base to build on?: YES Is Mancini another Mourinho in that he can deliver short term success but then divisiveness sets it back? : STARTING TO LOOK THAT WAY. Will Pellegrini be tough enough when it comes to "squeaky bum time": WE DON'T KNOW YET.

Credit for our current style of football and goal scoring record - Pellegrini. Credit for the development of the squad? Bit of both, not getting hung up on who signed who but Zabba and Kompany improved hugely under Mancini and some good signings were made. Pellegrini is taking us forward, no doubt, but refighting the battles of old is fucking pointless and unnecessary. Let's enjoy the football we are seeing now, give credit to Mancini for what he achieved in the past, and wait to enjoy the even bigger trophy haul that is, I believe, coming our way in the future!

It is Mancini who re-opened the debate with some ridiculous claims including the one that the current City team is basically his work.

Anything negative said about Mancini Socrates raises his bulbous fuckign head, completely ignoring the fact that we are commenting on an interview Mancini just did claiming credit for where we are.

Incredible.

[MilnersJaw]

Were you expecting something from that game before kickoff?

At least a point. Madrid are overrated. Shame he played that has been maicon instead of Pablo. Ronald made maicon look like a fool.

[JamieMCFC]

Is it just me that finds this agenda driven nastiness against Mancini objectionable? He brought in that bit of toughness that we needed to break the trophy draught and then win the league. Has Pellegrini taken us forward in terms of style of play?: YES. Does he get credit for that?: YES. Did he have a solid base to build on?: YES Is Mancini another Mourinho in that he can deliver short term success but then divisiveness sets it back? : STARTING TO LOOK THAT WAY. Will Pellegrini be tough enough when it comes to "squeaky bum time": WE DON'T KNOW YET.

Credit for our current style of football and goal scoring record - Pellegrini. Credit for the development of the squad? Bit of both, not getting hung up on who signed who but Zabba and Kompany improved hugely under Mancini and some good signings were made. Pellegrini is taking us forward, no doubt, but refighting the battles of old is fucking pointless and unnecessary. Let's enjoy the football we are seeing now, give credit to Mancini for what he achieved in the past, and wait to enjoy the even bigger trophy haul that is, I believe, coming our way in the future!

It is Mancini who re-opened the debate with some ridiculous claims including the one that the current City team is basically his work.

Anything negative said about Mancini Socrates raises his bulbous fuckign head, completely ignoring the fact that we are commenting on an interview Mancini just did claiming credit for where we are.

Incredible.

Not really surprising from the fat fuck.

[MilnersJaw]

Anything negative said about Mancini Socrates raises his bulbous fuckign head, completely ignoring the fact that we are commenting on an interview Mancini just did claiming credit for where we are.

Incredible.

Too busy advising Brendon where to find the best lady Boys.

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

Apparently Arthur Connell's descendants are in the Evening News tonight trying to take the credit for our recent form on behalf of their late great-great-great-grandfather.

[Wonderwall]

Apparently Arthur Connell's descendants are in the Evening News tonight trying to take the credit for our recent form on behalf of their late great-great-great-grandfather.

arthur?

[Slim]

Apparently Arthur Connell's descendants are in the Evening News tonight trying to take the credit for our recent form on behalf of their late great-great-great-grandfather.

I know who Anna Connell is, who is Arthur Connell?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I'm not too fussed who is claiming credit for what.

All I know is that, this season, Pellegrini has turned us into the great adventurers, playing wonderfully entertaining attacking football and I think it's absolutely marvellous.

We've become the footballing equivalent of the late, great Mikhail Tal in the chess world and what's happening this season is breathtakingly phenomenal.

[bigblue]

Bob the builder set the foundation and built the frame. He got the ball rolling, won us trophies, and brought a winning mentality to City.

Then Manuel the engineer came in, noticed a few areas weren't up to code, tore down a few unnecessary additions, added a few floors, and is in the process of polishing the curb appeal.

They both played/are playing crucial roles in our rapid ascension. Why do we have to malign one in order to give credit to the other? Love em both.

[Wonderwall]

How come nobody asked a question when we won the fa cup. Hughes was instrumental in building that squad.

[BlueinBosnia]

... not getting hung up on who signed who but Zabba and Kompany improved hugely under Mancini and some good signings were made.

That's exactly what Mancini was getting hung up on, though. And all our defensive players that were regular starters were here already with the exception of Clichy, who, at 7 million, was a decent buy. This was supplemented by approximately 66 million quid of mediocrity in Garcia, Savic, Nastasic, Maicon, Boateng and Kolarov (who has since improved hugely since Mancini's departure). This is only the defence - Mancini's supposed strong point - that I am talking about, incidentally.

[Douglas Higginbottom]

I had a little chuckle at that. I would not expect a manager to come out and belittle his own achievements but to claim we are the same as three years ago is a tad deluded.

Apart from coasting in the Champions Leauge and scoring for fun the main difference is we do not have two negative influences in the changing room like Tevez and Balotelli in the dressing room anymore. problems Mancini either created or chucked gas on the fire. I don't think it is a coincidence that guys like Dzeko and Nasri all of a sudden look like solid team players now that those two are gone.

Look at Dzeko's set up for Kuns goal against Blackburn. He could easily have scored himself. He was in a a better posistion to score from there than the two goals he scored but laid one on a plate for a team mate who had been out injured. Had Tevez or Balotelli been out that long last season there is no chance he would have passed to them. That spoke volumes for the difference in the dressing room from this season to that of the Mancini era.

Tevez would have caused problems regardless of the manager. Balotelli was a problem Mancini brought on himself.

I actually think bringing back Tevez was Bob's best decision as a City manager. He put the club ahead of himself and it won us the title.

I agree with the rest of your post though.

I suppose bringing Tevez back ultimately had to be agreed by Mancini but I don't believe for a minute it was really his decision.It was the players who wanted him back and it took them a hell of a time to get Mancini to accept and agree to it.

[Wooders]

If the squad was built already for winning titles why did he want us to blow millions on falcao and cavani?

[zuricity]

I know who Anna Connell is, who is Arthur Connell?

Had a few hits in the late sixties . Soul singer.