Andrew Marriner

[Florida Blue]

We got nothing from him last night & the two decisions by the lino were correct.

The fact is though, we have suffered from shite refs all our lives & still get a lot of 50/50 decisions against & even 70/30 ones against but ten years ago ALL of the big decisions we have had in our favour this season, would have gone against us.

2 seasons ago the rags almost got the title thanks to refs/linos favouring them & shitting on us; it cost us about 12/15 points difference.

Last year was much less so but probably more than half of the big ones would have gone against. This season, we had a few big ones wrongly go against & a few for. It's evening out.

The profile of the club, plus the Ferguson era ending at the rags, plus the fantastic football we are playing, has all improved our ability to get big decisions.

Spot on Ted. I said this to a friend this morning, all these calls seem to be going our way.

[bigblue]

I didn't think it was possible to win 5-1 and still be pissed off at the ref. Was the worst ref performance in any City game I've watched this season by a good mile. We were battering them until he let spud dive and foul back into the game. One of the mysteries of the modern world is how Demi was booked (he was bleeding from his fucking knee!), Ade wasn't, and the challenge on Silva went unpunished.

Luckily the linesman was sane and had the guts to make the right calls.

It's getting apparent that team will try to kick us off the field, since what other option do they have? Sit back and get pummeled or attack and get hit on the counter... or just kick the shit out of them and hope the ref turns a blind eye.

[nottsblue]

Truly shocking performance. Got a lot wrong. Big decisions as well. Still cant beat us even with the ref against us. Imagine if we had Bacons influence

[Hutch's Shoulder]

Andre Marriner, a ref not bad enough to stop City winning.

I'm not wasting anymore words on him.

[Beefymcfc]

My biggest concern is that we are now seeing a trend where teams are being allowed to take out our players without anything being done. Look at just a couple of challenges that we've seen so far this season:

Larrson on Garcia

Mbiwa on Nasri

I won't go into them as you'll already know the circumstances but how can the ref keep missing them? It's as if it's the only way they can even the game up, by allowing the oppo to take lumps out of us. The problems really come when they get one of those Nasri tackles right and it takes a player out for a number of weeks. This could have serious consequences on our season, turning what could be an eye-watering quadruple into a gut-wrenching empty bag.

The way we're being ref'd is becoming very disconcerting to me, and it should be for all Blues.

[spiny]

He might have thought he was in no doubt, but if its physically impossible for him to have seen the contact, how can he have done anything but guess?

He got it right, fair fucks to him, but he got both calls wrong for the wrong reasons.

Have you spoken to the linesman about it ? i haven't.However i do know that if you tackle from behind and the player goes down. It is a foul. I put it to you that his tackle was a foul because not only did Edin go to the floor but also Edin hesitated to kick the ball , for whatever reason.Perhaps even not wanting to risk injury to himself. If the player had not dived in from behind Edin in all probability, would have scored.

Well said.

Tackling from behind was outlawed as foul play for good reason - to prevent serious injury. Dangerous or reckless play does not require contact for a ref to give a foul or card. Making contact with the ball is irrelevant if going through a player to get to the ball. Players will instinctively try and avoid injury.

Rose took a risk tackling from behind and preventing Dzeko from a clear goalscoring opportunity. Cameras dont show everything. Match officials make an instant judgement. They read a situation without all this replay nonesense.

Also factor in decisions where Spurs were given the benefit of the doubt. This was one that went our way after 45mins of Spurs getting away with murder. It was not a dive and good to see a ref giving a penalty. Going through the man from behind to get the ball is a blight on the game not even tolerated in the 1970s and 1980's but became tolerated under Ferguson and accepted when perpetrated by Scholes.

Spurs tried to play like this but City moved the ball too quickly. It didnt stop them applying the Ferguson tactic of taking out key players. This is the problem with tv is it forensically analyses incidents without the context and dynamic of a match.

[spiny]

My biggest concern is that we are now seeing a trend where teams are being allowed to take out our players without anything being done. Look at just a couple of challenges that we've seen so far this season:

Larrson on Garcia

Mbiwa on Nasri

I won't go into them as you'll already know the circumstances but how can the ref keep missing them? It's as if it's the only way they can even the game up, by allowing the oppo to take lumps out of us. The problems really come when they get one of those Nasri tackles right and it takes a player out for a number of weeks. This could have serious consequences on our season, turning what could be an eye-watering quadruple into a gut-wrenching empty bag.

The way we're being ref'd is becoming very disconcerting to me, and it should be for all Blues.

Again I agree. Aguero came in for rough treatment that was at best was borderline. Silva was lucky not to be seriously hurt. Demi's wounded knee was clear to see when he got booked. City can mix it but you dont see them harrassing the refs in the way the Rags, Arse, Chelsea, Liverpool and others do as a matter of course.

A Fergie tactic was always to target key men. Who can forget the thuggery inflicted on SWP in a derby by a succession of rags so they would not gp punished? Ive never seen a City side employ this tactic.

[zuricity]

Well said.

Tackling from behind was outlawed as foul play for good reason - to prevent serious injury. Dangerous or reckless play does not require contact for a ref to give a foul or card. Making contact with the ball is irrelevant if going through a player to get to the ball. Players will instinctively try and avoid injury.

Rose took a risk tackling from behind and preventing Dzeko from a clear goalscoring opportunity. Cameras dont show everything. Match officials make an instant judgement. They read a situation without all this replay nonesense.

Also factor in decisions where Spurs were given the benefit of the doubt. This was one that went our way after 45mins of Spurs getting away with murder. It was not a dive and good to see a ref giving a penalty. Going through the man from behind to get the ball is a blight on the game not even tolerated in the 1970s and 1980's but became tolerated under Ferguson and accepted when perpetrated by Scholes.

Spurs tried to play like this but City moved the ball too quickly. It didnt stop them applying the Ferguson tactic of taking out key players. This is the problem with tv is it forensically analyses incidents without the context and dynamic of a match.

He swiped at him .... very roughly, you know in a Broadway, Danny Rose.As any Manc might say.

[bigblue]

[Ted Hughes]

I don't understand why people like Dermot Gallagher are saying this 'tackle' was ok.

The same people have gone into detail, time & again, to explain why free kicks etc are given for this kind of challenge, & how it doesn't actually matter whether you touch the ball or not. We have had this against us many times & Demi got booked for it in the same game; he got the ball much earlier.

Also Rose was out of control when he made the challenge, & we had a player sent off for that without even touching the opponent or leaping in from behind.

I just don't understand why the ref didn't give it instantly & why people are questioning it.

[City64]

As has already been posted earlier ...... ie there is a theme here that now we as a team are so dominant and at times overpowering the opposition resort to kicking fuck out of us and the refs just let it fucking happen !!!! Stand out instance last night amongst a whole host of alarming reffing decisions was the fact Yaya got a yellow early in the first half for his very first "foul" ??????? WTF ?????? Silva got taken out with a deliberate possible leg breaker stamp and fuck all ??????? mind blowing shit from the ref but it has become a common occurance recently . One of our players is going to get seriously injured if the refs dont sort there shit out very soon !

[bigblue]

I don't understand why people like Dermot Gallagher are saying this 'tackle' was ok.

The same people have gone into detail, time & again, to explain why free kicks etc are given for this kind of challenge, & how it doesn't actually matter whether you touch the ball or not. We have had this against us many times & Demi got booked for it in the same game; he got the ball much earlier.

Also Rose was out of control when he made the challenge, & we had a player sent off for that without even touching the opponent or leaping in from behind.

I just don't understand why the ref didn't give it instantly & why people are questioning it.

If it was van persie or shrek on the end of that tackle people would be condemning rose for attempting to cause an injury and calling for a ban

[Ted Hughes]

I don't understand why people like Dermot Gallagher are saying this 'tackle' was ok.

The same people have gone into detail, time & again, to explain why free kicks etc are given for this kind of challenge, & how it doesn't actually matter whether you touch the ball or not. We have had this against us many times & Demi got booked for it in the same game; he got the ball much earlier.

Also Rose was out of control when he made the challenge, & we had a player sent off for that without even touching the opponent or leaping in from behind.

I just don't understand why the ref didn't give it instantly & why people are questioning it.

If it was van persie or shrek on the end of that tackle people would be condemning rose for attempting to cause an injury and calling for a ban

Tbh, I would have no problem with us not getting a pen for that, if it wasn't for the fact that they have told us this kind of challenge is a foul. They have spelled it out.

Gallagher said: " You can clearly see he gets the ball..."

I've seen this identical situation so many times & ex refs saying it doesn't matter whether he gets the ball or not, it's a foul. So why is it suddenly a key point that he touched the ball ?

[Im_Spartacus]

Have you spoken to the linesman about it ? i haven't.However i do know that if you tackle from behind and the player goes down. It is a foul. I put it to you that his tackle was a foul because not only did Edin go to the floor but also Edin hesitated to kick the ball , for whatever reason.Perhaps even not wanting to risk injury to himself.If the player had not dived in from behind Edin in all probability, would have scored.

Fuck me mate, whatever way you look at this, however dzeko fell, or whatever happened to cause dzeko to fall, the key thing is that the linesman must have 'seen' an infringement to give the penalty, but seeing as the linesman could not possibly see the contact from the angle he was at, how did he give a penalty.

You yourself said he can't give it on what he thought he saw or guesses he saw, so other than dzeko stumbling, what exactly did he see to give the penalty given that it was physically impossible for him to have seen the contact?

[Im_Spartacus]

Well said.

Tackling from behind was outlawed as foul play for good reason - to prevent serious injury. Dangerous or reckless play does not require contact for a ref to give a foul or card. Making contact with the ball is irrelevant if going through a player to get to the ball. Players will instinctively try and avoid injury.

Rose took a risk tackling from behind and preventing Dzeko from a clear goalscoring opportunity. Cameras dont show everything. Match officials make an instant judgement. They read a situation without all this replay nonesense.

Also factor in decisions where Spurs were given the benefit of the doubt. This was one that went our way after 45mins of Spurs getting away with murder. It was not a dive and good to see a ref giving a penalty. Going through the man from behind to get the ball is a blight on the game not even tolerated in the 1970s and 1980's but became tolerated under Ferguson and accepted when perpetrated by Scholes.

Spurs tried to play like this but City moved the ball too quickly. It didnt stop them applying the Ferguson tactic of taking out key players. This is the problem with tv is it forensically analyses incidents without the context and dynamic of a match.

The referee and linesman have a job to award decisions based on what they see.......to give a penalty they must see contact, the linesman on the blind side of that tackle couldn't see the contact taking place.

So how do you explain the decision other than the linesman guessing about the contact?

[Ted Hughes]

Well said.

Tackling from behind was outlawed as foul play for good reason - to prevent serious injury. Dangerous or reckless play does not require contact for a ref to give a foul or card. Making contact with the ball is irrelevant if going through a player to get to the ball. Players will instinctively try and avoid injury.

Rose took a risk tackling from behind and preventing Dzeko from a clear goalscoring opportunity. Cameras dont show everything. Match officials make an instant judgement. They read a situation without all this replay nonesense.

Also factor in decisions where Spurs were given the benefit of the doubt. This was one that went our way after 45mins of Spurs getting away with murder. It was not a dive and good to see a ref giving a penalty. Going through the man from behind to get the ball is a blight on the game not even tolerated in the 1970s and 1980's but became tolerated under Ferguson and accepted when perpetrated by Scholes.

Spurs tried to play like this but City moved the ball too quickly. It didnt stop them applying the Ferguson tactic of taking out key players. This is the problem with tv is it forensically analyses incidents without the context and dynamic of a match.

The referee and linesman have a job to award decisions based on what they see.......to give a penalty they must see contact, the linesman on the blind side of that tackle couldn't see the contact taking place.

So how do you explain the decision other than the linesman guessing about the contact?

Because all the replays are in slow motion.

In real time, the bloke launched himself through the back of Dzeko, off the ground & the ref should have instantly given a pen. It's pretty obvious he made contact with Dzeko, it doesn't matter whether he touched he ball or not; it's a penalty.

Why ex refs etc are disputing this I have no idea, but probably because they are looking at slow motion replays too rather tan the actual foul.

[bluebananamilksheikh]

Thought he spoilt the initial flow of the game with some shocking decisions. Showed a total lack of understanding of how the game is played. Got all the big decisions wrong for both teams.

[branny]

Don't see what the problem is with the offside goal. Dawson is in an offside position when Adebayor heads it. I have some sympathy with the penalty. Great tackle by Rose. The problem is that you can't and haven't been able to tackle from behind for some time. Letter of the law says its a penalty. The law is wrong, not the official.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

I thought epl was a term just used by clueless cunts.

[Original Dub]

I thought epl was a term just used by clueless cunts.

Chortle.

He's left quite a lot of bait in this thread and no one has bitten.
It's been a while since he's tried to provoke us city fans but it never lasts.