Andrew Marriner

[getdressedmctavish]

What Doug has pointed out is what got me screaming. They were getting mullered. The coach makes a change and tells them to lay into our key players which they do in a really obvious way. Yet Mariner pretends these are just "coming togethers" and shrugs them off without a card. Laughably naïve.

[dazby]

What Doug has pointed out is what got me screaming. They were getting mullered. The coach makes a change and tells them to lay into our key players which they do in a really obvious way. Yet Mariner pretends these are just "coming togethers" and shrugs them off without a card. Laughably naïve.

Welcome to life at the top of the table lads. The teams we play will make every attempt to get a foothold into the game. Going the niggle will be one of them. We used to do it to the rags all the time.

This is one of the prices of success. Get used to it.

[zuricity]

Fuck me mate, whatever way you look at this, however dzeko fell, or whatever happened to cause dzeko to fall, the key thing is that the linesman must have 'seen' an infringement to give the penalty, but seeing as the linesman could not possibly see the contact from the angle he was at, how did he give a penalty.

You yourself said he can't give it on what he thought he saw or guesses he saw, so other than dzeko stumbling, what exactly did he see to give the penalty given that it was physically impossible for him to have seen the contact?

I didn't write that at all !. I wrote that you and i do not have a better view than the linesman. Also that neither you or i know whether he saw any contact at all, since neither of us has spoken to him.

But since you are asking , isn't Edins 'stumbling' from a tackle from behind enough for you ?

You are making a large assumption that he did not see any contact. Even though there was contact.From our armchairs , with a stupid , top of a skyscraper angle that tottenham have, we are better informed?.

Nah, i don't think so.

[Beefymcfc]

There was a near exact same thing happened not long ago when, I think, Nasri was about to shoot and he got taken out from behind. Tha time we got nothing as the oppo got a toe to the ball. I understood why it wasn't given and put it down to precedence but in my view, tackles like that, especially when the striker could carry on to score, should be given as a penalty.

As soon as it happened I thought penalty, then in a split second though we weren't going to get it because of the above. Was quite amazed when he actually gave it and even more amazed when he sent him off. And that's probably the crux of the matter for the ref's, they have to send the player off as well which makes it an even bigger decision.

[Slim]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

I thought epl was a term just used by clueless cunts.

I thought you were already circling a petition to have RH's name changed to 'Clueless Cunt'.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

http://youtu.be/fipSPnsFMOM

This video shows conclusively that Rose took Dzeko before the ball.

@Sparty, with all due mate it's just guesswork on your part to suggest the lino was using guesswork. Like Ted has pointed out from the officials perspective they judge whether the tackle was endangering the safety of an opponent, from the angle Rose slid in the lino obviously determined that he was endangering Dzeko's safety.

Could also point to Rose grabbing Dzeko's wrist to gain the leverage to slide in the way he did, this grab of the wrist was right in the lino's line of sight.

[Im_Spartacus]

I didn't write that at all !. I wrote that you and i do not have a better view than the linesman. Also that neither you or i know whether he saw any contact at all, since neither of us has spoken to him.

But since you are asking , isn't Edins 'stumbling' from a tackle from behind enough for you ?

You are making a large assumption that he did not see any contact. Even though there was contact.From our armchairs , with a stupid , top of a skyscraper angle that tottenham have, we are better informed?.

Nah, i don't think so.

There is a still photo from ground level which shows the linesman could not possibly have seen the contact.

From what you're saying, the penalty was given just because Dzeko stumbled under a tackle which was from behind. Does that mean any stumble under a challenge whether the official sees contact or not is automatically a penalty?

[Im_Spartacus]

http://youtu.be/fipSPnsFMOM

This video shows conclusively that Rose took Dzeko before the ball.

@Sparty, with all due mate it's just guesswork on your part to suggest the lino was using guesswork. Like Ted has pointed out from the officials perspective they judge whether the tackle was endangering the safety of an opponent, from the angle Rose slid in the lino obviously determined that he was endangering Dzeko's safety.

Could also point to Rose grabbing Dzeko's wrist to gain the leverage to slide in the way he did, this grab of the wrist was right in the lino's line of sight.

I have never, ever seen a penalty given for that reason. A penalty is given for contact

[Im_Spartacus]

http://youtu.be/fipSPnsFMOM

This video shows conclusively that Rose took Dzeko before the ball.

@Sparty, with all due mate it's just guesswork on your part to suggest the lino was using guesswork. Like Ted has pointed out from the officials perspective they judge whether the tackle was endangering the safety of an opponent, from the angle Rose slid in the lino obviously determined that he was endangering Dzeko's safety.

Could also point to Rose grabbing Dzeko's wrist to gain the leverage to slide in the way he did, this grab of the wrist was right in the lino's line of sight.

I have never, ever seen a penalty given for that reason. A penalty is given for contact

[Foreverinbluedreams]

http://youtu.be/fipSPnsFMOM

This video shows conclusively that Rose took Dzeko before the ball.

@Sparty, with all due mate it's just guesswork on your part to suggest the lino was using guesswork. Like Ted has pointed out from the officials perspective they judge whether the tackle was endangering the safety of an opponent, from the angle Rose slid in the lino obviously determined that he was endangering Dzeko's safety.

Could also point to Rose grabbing Dzeko's wrist to gain the leverage to slide in the way he did, this grab of the wrist was right in the lino's line of sight.

I have never, ever seen a penalty given for that reason. A penalty is given for contact

For what reason, pulling someone back? or going to ground from behind?

[Ted Hughes]

I don't understand how a photogaph can decide what the lino can see, unless he took it.

Rose goes into the challenge off the ground, at pace, & from behind Dzeko who can't see him & is about to kick the ball.

It does not have to be a 'dangerous' challenge in order to merit a free kick, merely 'careless', will do.

Can anyone other than Poll, really say that Rose was taking any kind of care whatsoever when he launched into that challenge ?

[Rag_hater]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

I thought epl was a term just used by clueless cunts.

I thought you were already circling a petition to have RH's name changed to 'Clueless Cunt'.

Reallly show's how desperate you plonkerrs are that a little thing like a spelling mistake is what you get excited about.
And this thread seems a bit ignorant of the fact that do people not think that our players can look after themselves,the fact we generally commit a many fouls as the side we wre playing suggests to me that when one of our players gets hit he hits back.I know if someone hit me I would hit them back(harder).

[Pretty Boy Lee]

Reallly show's how desperate you plonkerrs are that a little thing like a spelling mistake is what you get excited about. And this thread seems a bit ignorant of the fact that do people not think that our players can look after themselves,the fact we generally commit a many fouls as the side we wre playing suggests to me that when one of our players gets hit he hits back.I know if someone hit me I would hit them back(harder).

And the fisherman becomes the fish in one move :)

[Rag_hater]

Reallly show's how desperate you plonkerrs are that a little thing like a spelling mistake is what you get excited about. And this thread seems a bit ignorant of the fact that do people not think that our players can look after themselves,the fact we generally commit a many fouls as the side we wre playing suggests to me that when one of our players gets hit he hits back.I know if someone hit me I would hit them back(harder).

And the fisherman becomes the fish in one move :)

Took u long enough.

[Im_Spartacus]

For what reason, pulling someone back? or going to ground from behind?

A dangerous tackle which had no visible contact with the player

[Im_Spartacus]

I don't understand how a photogaph can decide what the lino can see, unless he took it.

Rose goes into the challenge off the ground, at pace, & from behind Dzeko who can't see him & is about to kick the ball.

It does not have to be a 'dangerous' challenge in order to merit a free kick, merely 'careless', will do.

Can anyone other than Poll, really say that Rose was taking any kind of care whatsoever when he launched into that challenge ?

No, a tackle from behind which makes no contact is not an offence is it? Even more so, had rose managed to make the tackle cleanly, everyone would have been talking abut what a great last ditch challenge it was, so I'm not having it that the 'nature' of the challenge was an issue. The tackle from behind you refer to which is outlawed and dangerous, is where you cannot take the ball cleanly without going through the player, not a tackle from the side/behind where the defender tries to hook his leading leg round the player to touch the ball first.

It only becomes an offence once the players course is affected, and even then a decision can only be made if contact is seen - otherwise how do you know the attacker hasn't dived?

The photograph shows that the contact occurred in a position where it was physically impossible for anybody on the right of Dzeko and Rose, to have seen the contact. Therefore the linesman saw a challenge, and saw a player go down, What he did not see was the contact (or lack of) that caused the attacking player to hit the deck.

It could conceivably be that his 'experience' told him that this sort of challenge would result in contact, but that for me takes officiating into a very grey area, as like I say, it becomes a guess, not based on what he saw.

[Pretty Boy Lee]

If you actually play it in slow mo and allow yoursel to step away from asking if he touches the ball, it's quite obvious he gets the ball after going through Dzeko. Legs collide then as Dzeko goes over he touches it.

Since when can you go through a player to get the ball in any other context?

[Im_Spartacus]

If you actually play it in slow mo and allow yoursel to step away from asking if he touches the ball, it's quite obvious he gets the ball after going through Dzeko. Legs collide then as Dzeko goes over he touches it.

Since when can you go through a player to get the ball in any other context?

Yes, you're completely correct, it is quite obvious that it was a penalty from the camera angles shown at the game. I'm not disputing the outcome, I'm questioning how he gave a decision on something he couldn't see. And as some clever cunt has already asked "how do I know" - nobody to the right of the players could have seen the contact, as the leg rose led with, was lower than his trailing leg, which obscured the view of what his left leg was doing which you will see clearly if you freeze the picture at the point contact was made.

As the image highlights, the contact took place behind Rose's leg and body, and so the linesman, the stewards, nobody on the right hand side of the players could have seen the contact, hence, he guessed.

My point is that after rose went into the tackle, any number of things 'could' have happened from the obscured viewpoint of someone on that touch line, contact, a dive etc, but the linesman categorically could not see the contact which did occur, it's a physical fucking impossibility.

[Slim]

If you actually play it in slow mo and allow yoursel to step away from asking if he touches the ball, it's quite obvious he gets the ball after going through Dzeko. Legs collide then as Dzeko goes over he touches it.

Since when can you go through a player to get the ball in any other context?

When David Silva is on the ball.

[Rag_hater]

I thought the EPL was supposed to be a physical league yet when someone touches one ofr our players our fans moan and moan.Seems that we are turning into Gooner fans.

I thought epl was a term just used by clueless cunts.

I thought you were already circling a petition to have RH's name changed to 'Clueless Cunt'.

Oh by the way nob,you said you like wikipedia and this was taken from it:


Outside of England it is commonly referred to as the English Premier League (EPL).