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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby sheblue » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:18 pm

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zabbadabbado wrote:I had no problem with the defeat,shit happens.I had a problem with the manager not rectifying a glaringly obvious problem for 94 minutes.Was very reminiscent off Bayern Munich at home.Maybe he really does not know any other way to play,i don't know,but doing nothing to try and sure up the midfield was criminal.


Good point. It also looked to me like Yaya couldn't be arsed because he had demich alongside. Maybe i'm wrong but he didn't seem to give a toss in midfield tonight.

However we stuck two +30 year olds in the middle of the park against youngsters. What was he thinking ?

Edit : very competent youngsters


Yaya has never offered anything defensively. Why would tonight be any different, who's going to teach that old dog new tricks now? Nobody.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby City64 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:18 pm

We were shit tonight , boy how we miss Fernandinho !



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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Duckman » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:30 pm

trout man wrote:Maybe the best thing to have happened to us. The two draws by arsenal and chavs last round gave us breathing room, we took our eye of the focus and tonight was the result. They will all learn from this, we have to earn this and tonight they realised how hard and focused they have to be. It was an off night and we were due one at home, it's a wake up call. I fear for the next team to play us. Vinnie will be pissed and that's what we were missing tonight.



And we have couple of home games coming up. BUT it seems we lack good covers in midfield.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Twobob » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:30 pm

Personally think Demi played OK from a defensive perspective - often him vs 3 chelsea players in an over ran midfield which was too easy for them. He didnt offer anything going forward though which is where we missed Ferdi but still he'd have been over ran. Yaya offered nothing defensively most of the time and dropped off offensively as the game went on.

Certainly needed to go to the 1 upfront and Milner up front - Negrado looked out of sorts though but none of our attacking players could hut a barn door tonight - mixture of off their game and constant pressure from Chelsea.

Our usual success down the right was worked out from the off and they prevented the success of the Zabba/Navas cross overs well - we didn't try and change this - that was the most disappointing thing tonight - the lack of changes when things clearly weren't working out.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:35 pm

I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching.

It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half.

If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back.

There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway.

Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance.

We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Ted Hughes » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:37 pm

Twobob wrote:Personally think Demi played OK from a defensive perspective - often him vs 3 chelsea players in an over ran midfield which was too easy for them. He didnt offer anything going forward though which is where we missed Ferdi but still he'd have been over ran. Yaya offered nothing defensively most of the time and dropped off offensively as the game went on.

Certainly needed to go to the 1 upfront and Milner up front - Negrado looked out of sorts though but none of our attacking players could hut a barn door tonight - mixture of off their game and constant pressure from Chelsea.

Our usual success down the right was worked out from the off and they prevented the success of the Zabba/Navas cross overs well - we didn't try and change this - that was the most disappointing thing tonight - the lack of changes when things clearly weren't working out.


Silva had the chance to win us the game & fucked it up. If he'd put that in, the whole thing would have changed. It was a pathetic attempt & simply not good enough. His effort 2nd half wasn't much better.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Twobob » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:38 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching. It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half. If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back. There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway. Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance. We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.


Agree mate, Demi stopped so much going through the middle without him we'd have been sunk early doors.

For me it needed Demi AND Milner in midfield, one ip front and the try and build - JoJo on later once we strenthend midfield a bit - it was 3 vs 1 against Demi most of the game
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Jorgobot » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:44 pm

Fuckin gutted. Hazard is impressive as hell, we felt the loss of fernie and Aguerrooooo and I'm going home crying tonight.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Blue Since 76 » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:46 pm

Ted Hughes wrote:I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching.

It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half.

If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back.

There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway.

Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance.

We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.


The problem is that Demi is a centre half and therefore naturally drops deeper and deeper under pressure. He therefore did important defensive work, but had to as we couldn't get out.

Personally, I'd have put Milner on for Negredo to free up Yaya from the defensive duties he doesn't like. It would have also added a bit more bite to the middle, which Demi doesn't give.

If Demi hadn't been booked, I'd also have been tempted to push him back in place of Nastasic, but on a yellow that would have been disastrous
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Green & Blue » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:52 pm

Okay I need to vent.Cheers for the designated area.So lets see where does one start.Negredo and Dzeko were embarrassing tonight.Negredo never really imposed himself on the game.To be fair he rarely got a chance to impress but any time he was given the ball his touch let him down dreadfully.Dzeko was often involved but he was plain shite and that's being generous.He reverted to the frustrate the Fuck out of you mode we all know so well.I don't know what it is with Dzeko sometimes he can be amazing but on tonights showing he looked no better than a pub team player.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby carl_feedthegoat » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:00 am

We underperformed across the squad and lost , we are second , 2 points from the top and our first loss since November the 10th.

The shite Im reading on here is laughable...I lost 500 dollars and Im still not upset.

We will bounce back just as Barca will across the pond !!! shit happens.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby zabbadabbado » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:00 am

Ted Hughes wrote:I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching.

It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half.

If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back.

There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway.

Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance.

We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.
I think most are making the point that a midfield 2 consisting off 2 thirty somethings,one who offers nothing and his legs have gone and was an accident waiting to happen left us criminally short against Chelsea quick counter attacking 5 man mid-field for 94 minutes.He could have put Vinny in the middle 2 and put MDM in defense he was so intent on persisting with this suicidal approach.

Bayern at home 2 man midfield = lost,Chelsea at home 2 man midfield = lost.If we persist then it will be Barcelona at home 2 man midfield= lost.And i dread to think what Messi will do to MDM against him in the middle.Was lucky he was not red cardrded tonight.If i was Ya Ya i would be at the boss office tomorrow asking what he is playing at,poor cunt had 3 .4 Chelsea players on him every time he got the ball.MDM is shite,if i was Rodwell,Milner i would be livid.How anyone can have a hard on for him is beyond me.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Green & Blue » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:02 am

Ted Hughes wrote:I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching.

It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half.

If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back.

There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway.

Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance.

We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.


Your spot on about Demichelis.I could not believe the criticism directed at him in the match day thread.His work rate was immense he won so many challenges tonight in the air and on the ground.Looks a far better option than Garcia as midfield cover in the absence of Fern or Yaya.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby DoomMerchant » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:07 am

On another night yaya, Silva and bostard take their myriad of chances and we win 3-1.

I'm done being angry. Its football. Luckily, we get to play another game. I think this display will motivate us to smash these fuckers.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:09 am

Dzeko & Negredo had a very difficult job on v a load of Chelsea players though. I don't think it's fair to get on their case.

Silva didn't give them enough effective support imo, nor did he give enough to Yaya, who sometimes had to beat 3 players to get a pass off. I thought Yaya was fucking immense apart from for the goal. He was like the fucking T Rex in Jurassic Park with the Raptors hanging off his back, still running. Really missed his partner to help him out.

The ability of Nasri, Aguero & Fernandinho to run at players was badly missed tonight though. We just had Yaya & Navas.

I'm all for the Count playing the attacking game, but tonight we simply didn't have the players available to do it. No guarantee it would have worked anyway against such a packed midfield, but much more chance of it working than tonight.

Realistically, we were fucked as an attacking unit when fernandinho broke down though.

What we are trying to do, isn't easy.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby blues2win » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:12 am

De Michelis was on a yellow and playing fairly recklessly so there was a case for bringing him off to stop him getting sent off. I would have preferred Milner on at the start and said so before the match started. All week I thought Negredo and Dzeko would play into Chelsea's hands and it did. Pellegrini says Milnet was 'just coming back' so not properly fit Negredo was clearly hampered by his shoulder Jovetic not fully match fit although looked good when he came on. Bottom line Chelsea were lucky to find us severely weakened but I still think it's wrong to play two in central midfield against three against the top teams. It didn't work against Bayern, it didn't work against Chelsea and it certainly won't against Barca.

You can see why we really wanted Mangala and Fernando though. We could really have done with both tonight. By the way I presume Lescott was injured. He wasn't on the bench and Boyata was.
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Postby Sideshow Bob » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:16 am

last night proved yet again that fernandinho is the key to our success this season. he is irreplaceable.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby Ted Hughes » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:18 am

zabbadabbado wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching.

It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half.

If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back.

There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway.

Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance.

We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.
I think most are making the point that a midfield 2 consisting off 2 thirty somethings,one who offers nothing and his legs have gone and was an accident waiting to happen left us criminally short against Chelsea quick counter attacking 5 man mid-field for 94 minutes.He could have put Vinny in the middle 2 and put MDM in defense he was so intent on persisting with this suicidal approach.

Bayern at home 2 man midfield = lost,Chelsea at home 2 man midfield = lost.If we persist then it will be Barcelona at home 2 man midfield= lost.And i dread to think what Messi will do to MDM against him in the middle.Was lucky he was not red cardrded tonight.If i was Ya Ya i would be at the boss office tomorrow asking what he is playing at,poor cunt had 3 .4 Chelsea players on him every time he got the ball.MDM is shite,if i was Rodwell,Milner i would be livid.How anyone can have a hard on for him is beyond me.


I would play Pantillimon in midfield rather than Rodwell after his performance v Watford; no way would he ever have got a game today, not a cat in hell's chance. Milner is probably not 100% fit, & would get chewed up by Luiz anyway, there was a lot of aerial ball in midfield.

If we had started Milner, Yaya, Demichelis or Rodwell today, the result would most likely have been exactly the same or we may have got a draw. Just we wouldn't have got a shot off; they would just sit a bit further back & block us off, then Hazard wouls skin Zabba & they'd hit us on the break just the same. If the Count had his time again, he probably would have started with Jovetic but the options weren't there tonight; too many injuries.

Chelsea played out of their skins too. Would have been a tough game with any 11 until we got in front.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby zabbadabbado » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:33 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
zabbadabbado wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:I don't know what planet any of you fuckers suggesting bringing on Milner for Demichelis are on, or which fucking game you were watching.

It can't have been the one I saw where Chelsea kept winning headers against everyone BUT Demichelis & Vinny in our half.

If it wasn't for him & Yaya, they would have scored fucking ten. He did ten times more defending than Nastasic even though he wasn't playing at the back.

There were two choices tonight; try to play like we normally play even though we didn't have the players available, or match them & pack the midfield. We tried the first one & it didn't work. Once they scored,the second one was never an option; they would have just closed the game out & won 1-0 anyway.

Had Fernandinho been fit, THEN perhaps 3 in midfield would be a possible plan, but Demi off & Milner v David Luiz; fucking no chance.

We brought on Jovetic which was the only real option we had available which would likely make a difference, other than dropping that useless cunt at the back & puttng Lescott on.
I think most are making the point that a midfield 2 consisting off 2 thirty somethings,one who offers nothing and his legs have gone and was an accident waiting to happen left us criminally short against Chelsea quick counter attacking 5 man mid-field for 94 minutes.He could have put Vinny in the middle 2 and put MDM in defense he was so intent on persisting with this suicidal approach.

Bayern at home 2 man midfield = lost,Chelsea at home 2 man midfield = lost.If we persist then it will be Barcelona at home 2 man midfield= lost.And i dread to think what Messi will do to MDM against him in the middle.Was lucky he was not red cardrded tonight.If i was Ya Ya i would be at the boss office tomorrow asking what he is playing at,poor cunt had 3 .4 Chelsea players on him every time he got the ball.MDM is shite,if i was Rodwell,Milner i would be livid.How anyone can have a hard on for him is beyond me.


I would play Pantillimon in midfield rather than Rodwell after his performance v Watford; no way would he ever have got a game today, not a cat in hell's chance. Milner is probably not 100% fit, & would get chewed up by Luiz anyway, there was a lot of aerial ball in midfield.

If we had started Milner, Yaya, Demichelis or Rodwell today, the result would most likely have been exactly the same or we may have got a draw. Just we wouldn't have got a shot off; they would just sit a bit further back & block us off, then Hazard wouls skin Zabba & they'd hit us on the break just the same. If the Count had his time again, he probably would have started with Jovetic but the options weren't there tonight; too many injuries.

Chelsea played out of their skins too. Would have been a tough game with any 11 until we got in front.
To be fair any 2 in the middle would have struggled against a midfield 5.I just don't see what MDM brings to us,far to slow,always lunging in and selling himself.I thought he was going to be red carded.

I personally would have gone to 1 up front and stuck another player in the middle,we could even have played Vinny in the middle,he played there for Hamburg, alongside Ya Ya and one off Milner,Rodwell.What is the point in persisting with 2 strikers up front if your getting over run.
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Re: Get it off your chest here

Postby MilnersJaw » Tue Feb 04, 2014 12:36 am

If I were the real milner for his own sake I would look at moving on. Can't even get A sub appearance when the game was crying for him. He can't even start ahead of a 31 year old slow as fuck defender in midfield gfs, who Wouldn't get a sniff in madrid, barca, Chelsea and even the rags so no idea why we play him. How can s player like milner be lower down the pecking order than this cunt defender and Garcia I have no idea.
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