The Dammed Leeds Un#*€d?

[Chopper]

Leeds had a cracking team between about 1999 and 2003 as well. Champions League regulars with loads of exciting attacking players. Too many, in fact, which is what proved unsustainable financially. Anyone care to list the strikers they had on their books at once for a time? I can think of...

Mark Viduka
Robbie Keane
Harry Kewell
Robbie Fowler
Alan Smith

I bet there were more. They also spaffed a lot of transfer and wage money on the likes of Seth Johnson.

They had Yeboah & Hasslebank just before that, and er, Brian Deane.

Darren Huckerby anyone?

Huckerby, yeah. What was the name of that other bloke whose career was plagued by injury (a la Matt Jansen)? Everyone thought he was going to be the next big thing but he ended up somewhere like Carlisle.

EDIT: Got it. Michael Bridges.

How the fuck did they never play for us ?

If Swales was still around, they would have.

We did get Danny Mills and robbie fowler.

[DoomMerchant]

it's not an explanation, it's a statement of opinion which while it may be shared, is not definitive.
It's like saying Ali was a cocky cunt who spoiled the sweet science of pugilism

Racist.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I'm of that age and saw them a couple if times, and I'm agreeing with Ted. I don't think anyone is disputing how good they were, head and shoulders above everyone else for a few seasons but they were also dirty and would cheat as a matter of course to get any sort of advantage. And that's probably why they were so universally loathed, because they were so good there was no need for them to behave as they did.

Spot on.

[Ted Hughes]

I'm sorry but that's absolute bollocks.

It's not City fans who have this opinion of Leeds it's almost everyone who saw them play. If you have a soft spot for them then fine, but suggesting that the rest of us are somehow biased against Leeds because they 'took over our mantel'. Everybody 'took over our mantel', we won one trophy in 40 odd years.

Two clubs stand out as the biggest bunch of cunts in some of our lifetimes: Leeds & Ferguson's Utd.

Only the Utd team with Ke**ne etc in it can truly compare to Leeds.

apology not accepted.
No soft spot, just went, as a football fan to a lot of games at their gaff cos I could. They were good at football. The best team Trevor Francis ever played against.
"The rest of you" so far is a couple of lads of about my age who must have seen them on Match of the Day when they were kids, and maybe some others who believe everything they read.
Immediatley after our best period to date, Leeds stood out. They even took our League title and I certainly resented their success, didn't you?

Never knew Brian Clough was a City fan.

No 'the rest of us' are the majority of people who saw that team play. I have acknowledged they were an excellent football side but they are known deservedly as some of the nastiest, cheating cunts anyone has ever seen. They were fucking abominable.

To deny that is nonsense. Ask any football fan who was around at that time who are the biggest bunch of cunts they have ever seen, & most will say Leeds. If they don't say Leeds first, they will say it second.

I have never even thought about resenting Leeds for winning after we did; I can't even remember the end of that season or who won. I can remember seeing Leeds in the flesh though, not just then, but for years afterwards, even when they dropped in standard, they were still a bunch of fucking thugs, with Jordan, McQueen etc.

I remember Frank Gray, breaking Peter Barnes' collar bone with a fucking tackle when he was in full flight running down the wing.

People who never saw these cunts play, wil find that hard to imagine; he took out Barnes, running full tilt, by tackling his fucking neck because Barnes was skinning him. That kind of thing was in Leeds' nature for years. The pen they got v the rags in the cup semi at Hillsboro, Jordan elbows the defender in the face, then dives in the fucking box. No wonder Docherty wanted him.

I saw Bremner do a similar trick at Maine rd & then laughed in our fucking faces afterwards when he knew he'd got away with hurting somebody.

Great at football.

Bunch. Of. Cunts.

[Alex Sapphire]

I remember Frank Gray, breaking Peter Barnes' collar bone with a fucking tackle when he was in full flight running down the wing.

People who never saw these cunts play, wil find that hard to imagine; he took out Barnes, running full tilt, by tackling his fucking neck because Barnes was skinning him. That kind of thing was in Leeds' nature for years. The pen they got v the rags in the cup semi at Hillsboro, Jordan elbows the defender in the face, then dives in the fucking box. No wonder Docherty wanted him.

I saw Bremner do a similar trick at Maine rd & then laughed in our fucking faces afterwards when he knew he'd got away with hurting somebody.

Great at football.

Bunch. Of. Cunts.

you are talking about this Peter Barnes, right?



he must have hated playing with that bunch of cunts.

[Ted Hughes]

I remember Frank Gray, breaking Peter Barnes' collar bone with a fucking tackle when he was in full flight running down the wing.

People who never saw these cunts play, wil find that hard to imagine; he took out Barnes, running full tilt, by tackling his fucking neck because Barnes was skinning him. That kind of thing was in Leeds' nature for years. The pen they got v the rags in the cup semi at Hillsboro, Jordan elbows the defender in the face, then dives in the fucking box. No wonder Docherty wanted him.

I saw Bremner do a similar trick at Maine rd & then laughed in our fucking faces afterwards when he knew he'd got away with hurting somebody.

Great at football.

Bunch. Of. Cunts.

you are talking about this Peter Barnes, right?



he must have hated playing with that bunch of cunts.

He didn't play with those players, he signed in the 80s after West Brom, then he fucked of to Spain after one season, so he probably didn't much care for it.

The really horrible thing about those fuckers was, (as well as being corrupt financially with bungs bribes etc), the fact that they used their thuggery to wind teams up & get oppo players penalised. They would assault the oppo, get them down to their level defending themselves then chuck themselvs over & cry to the referee, win free kicks themselves & end up actually getting the oppo into shit for retaliating. The opponents wouldn't be as crafty & the free kicks would go to Leeds & players would be sent off.

They were like a comedy bad guy wrestler, doing all manner of unspeakable shit & then looking innocent. That's why Francis Lee attacked Norman Hunter; because he had been punched in the face & got sent off for doing fuck all, so he decided to get his money's worth. They were cynical, nasty, cowardly & bent as fuck.

Peter Lorimer:

"Don said out of the blue: 'If anybody gets anywhere near the box, get down.' Jimmy Greenhoff, who was quick when he was in full flight, set off on one of his jinking runs and was fully five yards outside the penalty area when he was brought down. By the time he had stumbled, fallen and rolled over a couple of times he was inside the box, and the referee, Ken Stokes, pointed to the spot so quickly that it was almost embarrassing … This was at a time when there was a lot of talk about referees being got at. I am not saying that Stokes was, but the issue begged close examination. Firstly, why did Revie issue that 'dive' instruction and, secondly, why did Stokes award a penalty that so clearly was not? Lots of things were happening in football that simply did not add up, and this was just another of those … Mulhall is to this day quite irate about the situation. The Sunderland old boys are 100 per cent sure that this was not a straight game. As players, you never know … I remember thinking in the dressing room after that game, 'That was a funny statement of Don's.' Maybe he thought that Ken had not so far given a penalty and might do so at the next debatable incident, maybe there were other factors."

[Alex Sapphire]

Peter Lorimer:

"Don said out of the blue: 'If anybody gets anywhere near the box, get down.' Jimmy Greenhoff, who was quick when he was in full flight, set off on one of his jinking runs and was fully five yards outside the penalty area when he was brought down. By the time he had stumbled, fallen and rolled over a couple of times he was inside the box, and the referee, Ken Stokes, pointed to the spot so quickly that it was almost embarrassing … This was at a time when there was a lot of talk about referees being got at. I am not saying that Stokes was, but the issue begged close examination. Firstly, why did Revie issue that 'dive' instruction and, secondly, why did Stokes award a penalty that so clearly was not? Lots of things were happening in football that simply did not add up, and this was just another of those … Mulhall is to this day quite irate about the situation. The Sunderland old boys are 100 per cent sure that this was not a straight game. As players, you never know … I remember thinking in the dressing room after that game, 'That was a funny statement of Don's.' Maybe he thought that Ken had not so far given a penalty and might do so at the next debatable incident, maybe there were other factors."

so inconclusive then
and Remember Leeds were cheated out of the 1973 Cup Winners Cup by a bent referee.

But everything you described supports my view that they were the first "professional" outfit in the sense we now understand it.
But please don't let's turn this into a Leeds tribute thtread. I just want Jorgobot to know what their fellow professionals rather than opposition fans thought.

[Ted Hughes]

Peter Lorimer:

"Don said out of the blue: 'If anybody gets anywhere near the box, get down.' Jimmy Greenhoff, who was quick when he was in full flight, set off on one of his jinking runs and was fully five yards outside the penalty area when he was brought down. By the time he had stumbled, fallen and rolled over a couple of times he was inside the box, and the referee, Ken Stokes, pointed to the spot so quickly that it was almost embarrassing … This was at a time when there was a lot of talk about referees being got at. I am not saying that Stokes was, but the issue begged close examination. Firstly, why did Revie issue that 'dive' instruction and, secondly, why did Stokes award a penalty that so clearly was not? Lots of things were happening in football that simply did not add up, and this was just another of those … Mulhall is to this day quite irate about the situation. The Sunderland old boys are 100 per cent sure that this was not a straight game. As players, you never know … I remember thinking in the dressing room after that game, 'That was a funny statement of Don's.' Maybe he thought that Ken had not so far given a penalty and might do so at the next debatable incident, maybe there were other factors."

so inconclusive then
and Remember Leeds were cheated out of the 1973 Cup Winners Cup by a bent referee.

But everything you described supports my view that they were the first "professional" outfit in the sense we now understand it.
But please don't let's turn this into a Leeds tribute thtread. I just want Jorgobot to know what their fellow professionals rather than opposition fans thought.

Most fans recognised Leeds as a great football side as well & their methods have been an influence ever since .

Ferguson used Revie tactics v people such as Arsenal, & Mourinho is trying to do the same with City now, as he did in Spain; dragging Barca into a feud, so every game became a fight.