Ramifications of Rags finishing outside top 4

[Slim]

You know Liverpool, that team that struggled to make the Europa for the last few years?

If they had qualified for the Champion's League this season, they would have been in Pot 2. The way they've set it up, one season won't screw them.

Oh, and there was an article on how much they'd lose, and it was £35M from UEFA and £10M in gate receipts. I wasn't pulling the figure out of my arse.

[Chopper]

You know Liverpool, that team that struggled to make the Europa for the last few years?

If they had qualified for the Champion's League this season, they would have been in Pot 2. The way they've set it up, one season won't screw them.

Oh, and there was an article on how much they'd lose, and it was £35M from UEFA and £10M in gate receipts. I wasn't pulling the figure out of my arse.

Not doubting you but we are talking different expenditures, expectations and debt.

[Hazy2]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

[Slim]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

That's kinda scattered.

Is he happy or not?

[Hazy2]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

That's kinda scattered.

Is he happy or not?

Wants him out Now,rebuild Like Liverpool with no Europe next season, the man is wrong wrong on so many levels.

[Slim]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

That's kinda scattered.

Is he happy or not?

Wants him out Now,rebuild Like Liverpool with no Europe next season, the man is wrong wrong on so many levels.

You've gotta find out who this guy thinks he can get in to do the job. And Liverpool as much as Rogers has done well, have also been very lucky this season. Does he really want a rebuild like signing Henderson, Downing, Aquilani, Adam and Carroll? That's £100M almost to the penny on shite and with FFP they initiated, they'd be struggling to spend more.

BTW, did I tell you the funniest FFP scenario? If Ajax were to sell of their academy graduates, let's say for arguments sake they cleared it all out and got themselves €300M. If they were to sit that money in the bank for 3 years and spent it all on the 4th, they would be in breach of FFP regulations.

Let's say same scenario, €300M in the bank, and they were running at a loss and using the interest earned to cover that loss, at no point would the interest earned count towards countering break-even FFP regulations.

[Hazy2]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

That's kinda scattered.

Is he happy or not?

Wants him out Now,rebuild Like Liverpool with no Europe next season, the man is wrong wrong on so many levels.

You've gotta find out who this guy thinks he can get in to do the job. And Liverpool as much as Rogers has done well, have also been very lucky this season. Does he really want a rebuild like signing Henderson, Downing, Aquilani, Adam and Carroll? That's £100M almost to the penny on shite and with FFP they initiated, they'd be struggling to spend more.


BTW, did I tell you the funniest FFP scenario? If Ajax were to sell of their academy graduates, let's say for arguments sake they cleared it all out and got themselves €300M. If they were to sit that money in the bank for 3 years and spent it all on the 4th, they would be in breach of FFP regulations.

Let's say same scenario, €300M in the bank, and they were running at a loss and using the interest earned to cover that loss, at no point would the interest earned count towards countering break-even FFP regulations.

Maybe I will get the balls to ask him, he has been a client for 25yrs and I was not about to tell him how happy I was at his pain...

[Alex Sapphire]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

I think if he adds to the mix that Everton, without him and his cronies (and their fuzzy haired star) ARE playing better and achieving more, then your mate has a cast iron case. Although he must also acknowledge that since Moyes moved from Everton to Scum, the average IQ at both clubs has increased

[RodneyRodney]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

That's kinda scattered.

Is he happy or not?

Wants him out Now,rebuild Like Liverpool with no Europe next season, the man is wrong wrong on so many levels.

You've gotta find out who this guy thinks he can get in to do the job. And Liverpool as much as Rogers has done well, have also been very lucky this season. Does he really want a rebuild like signing Henderson, Downing, Aquilani, Adam and Carroll? That's £100M almost to the penny on shite and with FFP they initiated, they'd be struggling to spend more.


BTW, did I tell you the funniest FFP scenario? If Ajax were to sell of their academy graduates, let's say for arguments sake they cleared it all out and got themselves €300M. If they were to sit that money in the bank for 3 years and spent it all on the 4th, they would be in breach of FFP regulations.

Let's say same scenario, €300M in the bank, and they were running at a loss and using the interest earned to cover that loss, at no point would the interest earned count towards countering break-even FFP regulations.

Maybe I will get the balls to ask him, he has been a client for 25yrs and I was not about to tell him how happy I was at his pain...

Go on - grow a pair ; TELL HIM

[Ted Hughes]

I had 5 mins with a total rag today, Box holder and close to Fergie he said to me this.
If Moyes had shown anything to think he was unlucky, the football was attractive, he has it and it will come then fine, he has shown fuck all and can fuck off. Never heard him so vocal. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

That's kinda scattered.

Is he happy or not?

Wants him out Now,rebuild Like Liverpool with no Europe next season, the man is wrong wrong on so many levels.

You've gotta find out who this guy thinks he can get in to do the job. And Liverpool as much as Rogers has done well, have also been very lucky this season. Does he really want a rebuild like signing Henderson, Downing, Aquilani, Adam and Carroll? That's £100M almost to the penny on shite and with FFP they initiated, they'd be struggling to spend more.

BTW, did I tell you the funniest FFP scenario? If Ajax were to sell of their academy graduates, let's say for arguments sake they cleared it all out and got themselves €300M. If they were to sit that money in the bank for 3 years and spent it all on the 4th, they would be in breach of FFP regulations.

Let's say same scenario, €300M in the bank, and they were running at a loss and using the interest earned to cover that loss, at no point would the interest earned count towards countering break-even FFP regulations.

Why would they be in breach of ffp regulations ?

[Ted Hughes]

It's not the rags who have a problem in reality though, it's the Glazers' cashflow situation.

They have fixed it so that we can't race ahead of them financially in the short term, so they could just have more debt & spend £200 mil on players & they know they can fix it that they still pass ffp, as that's what it's designed for.

Any decent manager & a big spend will make them competitive.

If they trust to gamble it on Moyes however, then the whole thing could have a completely different outcome.

Keeping Moyes makes no sense, unless the Glazers are genuinely planning on running Utd like Everton. Then it makes perfect sense.

[Hazy2]

I was just thinking my client has 2 boxes at the swamp. Can you imagine how easy it has been for the corporate sales team to sell the boxes and all other top end seats, take away Champs League, Moyes is a fucking disaster to all parts of the operation.. Great.

[Beefymcfc]

It doesn't sound like much when we hear the big figures bounded about but in reality £45 million is one hell of a wedge. Even for a club of United's size, they'll really struggle without that money. Having the debts they have and then having to replenish their team will make it very difficult.

I've got a feeling that the only way for them to do it is to sell off more shares but at the same time, looking at their shares drop, it looks like somebody has put them in a corner.

[ruralblue]

. If he is saying that Moyes is on borrowed time.

If they lose a couple more and then get shut then it just adds more pressure on whoever comes in after.

I said to someone start of the season if moyes fucks up then it wouldn't surprise me if bacon chops gets back in charge till end of season.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

They lose 40+ million from cl revenue. Plus they have to spend money to get back in straight away and they will have to pay more because the top players want to be playing in Europe. But the increased revenue from the new tv deals will help them out a bit won't it.

They'll have to buy very carefully. If they aren't in CL there will be players who will cost them a lot but are happy to forego CL for a year in order to enjoy Manchester living (oh and earn a lot). The trouble will be that quite a few of these will be getting towards end of career and there's a risk in that.
If you look at how clubs outside CL places have attracted really top talent then it's either been us or potentially Liverpool, with Suarez.
But United aren't us. And there's not to many like Suarez around.
Hopefully United will shop broadly and not so wisely.......

Are you talking about players who might be referred to as 'mercenaries' ??

[Scatman]

They lose 40+ million from cl revenue. Plus they have to spend money to get back in straight away and they will have to pay more because the top players want to be playing in Europe. But the increased revenue from the new tv deals will help them out a bit won't it.

They'll have to buy very carefully. If they aren't in CL there will be players who will cost them a lot but are happy to forego CL for a year in order to enjoy Manchester living (oh and earn a lot). The trouble will be that quite a few of these will be getting towards end of career and there's a risk in that.
If you look at how clubs outside CL places have attracted really top talent then it's either been us or potentially Liverpool, with Suarez.
But United aren't us. And there's not to many like Suarez around.
Hopefully United will shop broadly and not so wisely.......

Are you talking about players who might be referred to as 'mercenaries' ??

Bullshit. The world is full of players who have wanted to play for United since boyhood so will go there for that reason alone. Champions League or money is something the other teams need to offer.

[Ted Hughes]

It doesn't sound like much when we hear the big figures bounded about but in reality £45 million is one hell of a wedge. Even for a club of United's size, they'll really struggle without that money. Having the debts they have and then having to replenish their team will make it very difficult.

I've got a feeling that the only way for them to do it is to sell off more shares but at the same time, looking at their shares drop, it looks like somebody has put them in a corner.

They have got money. It's just that the Glazers are using it to pay off the debt.

The thing is that they can lose it once, but not every year. Not if they want to be a top club.

The decision they have to make, is whether they just milk Utd as a club surviving on historical bullshit for 20 years, like Liverpool have mainly done, or whether they want Utd to be at the top table. Liverpool did it in a period without City to fuck it up for them.

I don't know the mathematical equation but it may be that the Glazers can spend ten, fifteen years paying off the debt & winning little, & still have enough rags left to clear it, THEN rebuild the club.

I would have thought though, that it's easier to just pay off less of the debt short term & divert a load of the new sponsorship money etc into signing players. Thus retaining the interest of worldwide sheep & still paying off some of the debt.

If they were to do that & Moyes buys a load of shite who can't play for each other or for him though, then they have a fucking huge problem, as they can't keep finding money & coming 7th. One two seasons at best they could push the boat out.

Imo, they need a tried & tested manager, plus about 200 mil. If they do that, then unfortunately, they will be right back in it very quickly.

[Hazy2]

It doesn't sound like much when we hear the big figures bounded about but in reality £45 million is one hell of a wedge. Even for a club of United's size, they'll really struggle without that money. Having the debts they have and then having to replenish their team will make it very difficult.

I've got a feeling that the only way for them to do it is to sell off more shares but at the same time, looking at their shares drop, it looks like somebody has put them in a corner.

They have got money. It's just that the Glazers are using it to pay off the debt.

The thing is that they can lose it once, but not every year. Not if they want to be a top club.

The decision they have to make, is whether they just milk Utd as a club surviving on historical bullshit for 20 years, like Liverpool have mainly done, or whether they want Utd to be at the top table. Liverpool did it in a period without City to fuck it up for them.

I don't know the mathematical equation but it may be that the Glazers can spend ten, fifteen years paying off the debt & winning little, & still have enough rags left to clear it, THEN rebuild the club.

I would have thought though, that it's easier to just pay off less of the debt short term & divert a load of the new sponsorship money etc into signing players. Thus retaining the interest of worldwide sheep & still paying off some of the debt.

If they were to do that & Moyes buys a load of shite who can't play for each other or for him though, then they have a fucking huge problem, as they can't keep finding money & coming 7th. One two seasons at best they could push the boat out.

Imo, they need a tried & tested manager, plus about 200 mil. If they do that, then unfortunately, they will be right back in it very quickly.

Would Newcastle be a similar situation, owners who do not give a toss as long as it pays for itself, Ashley to me looks like he is happy until he gets a nice big offer and will leave. The Glaziers must be worried for the amount they need to have it just about under control Just.

[Plain Speaking]

If they manage to overtake Spurs and Everton for 5th place, we could expect a lot of sabre rattling on the FFP front. Threats in the media, that we may be kicked out of CL for non compliance. They have a numbers of ex and current directors in high places.

United's best chance of getting in CL will probably be winning it, like Chelsea did with a poor team. With us playing Barca, and Arsenal playing Bayern, 2 of the top teams will certainly go out. Depending how the draw goes they could be very lucky?

How many people thought Chelsea's team would beat Barca over 2 legs and Bayern at home? In a cup competition it's not always the best team that wins.

[mr_nool]

If they manage to overtake Spurs and Everton for 5th place, we could expect a lot of sabre rattling on the FFP front. Threats in the media, that we may be kicked out of CL for non compliance. They have a numbers of ex and current directors in high places.

United's best chance of getting in CL will probably be winning it, like Chelsea did with a poor team. With us playing Barca, and Arsenal playing Bayern, 2 of the top teams will certainly go out. Depending how the draw goes they could be very lucky?

How many people thought Chelsea's team would beat Barca over 2 legs and Bayern at home? In a cup competition it's not always the best team that wins.

[strike]I'm sorry, but[/strike]there is no way whatsoever that Scum have any chance of winning CL this year. None!
yes, Chelsea shocked the world and won it a few years back, but that was down to a very good defense. Can you really see Wio, Vidic, Smalling, et.al. to hold their own against us, PSG, Bayern, Real, Barcelona?
They might make it past Olympiakos, but they won't make it further than that.

Edit: I'm obviously not sorry.