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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Original Dub » Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:57 pm

getdressedmctavish wrote:I know what Ted's talking about with regard to the first 20 mins, I was going apeshit at our giving it away, but then it settled down, we got our shit together and started to create chances. Our plan using Kolarov worked perfectly, Alves couldn't get forward because of the risk Kolarov would go past him. Our downfall was when Jesus let us down.Kompany I thinkfound him with a quick ball and for a second he was one on one with their lb with 40 yards of green beckoning. Komps and Demi set off for the half way line, but Jesus dithered, was fouled and the rest is history. Had he gone past the fullback we may well have scored, the whole team was doing well at that point. But the ref bottled it, somehow Messi wasn't offside(who played him on, Cliché?) and once we were down to ten Alves started to get down the right and we conceded. No, they weren't that great, Messi particularly, and yes we can give em a good game and will.But the idea we didn't play well or that the planning was poor is wrong imo. We were unlucky and they are a team who could take advantage of that.But we could have the luck in spain.


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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Sparklehorse » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:07 am

Bridge'srightfoot wrote: You're singling him out for that? So no different to most of our players then. He was a left back who got played in left midfield. It's not his fault. I don't know what you were expecting. It was silly to play him there.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby aaron bond » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:56 am

Ted Hughes wrote:
branny wrote:We looked scared to death first twenty and showed way too much respect. We looked far better when we had a go, even with ten men. They didn't really start creating anything until the sending off. The fact that we'll have Aguero, Milner and Nasri available and fit and Lescott in the back four gives me hope. We'll have to attack and that should suit us. Score first and it's game on.


Nastasic will play.


That's the worrying thing.

We started last night with a poor defender partnering Kompany and next time we're likely to put the shittest defender at the club in there.

The world's best player in one-on-one situations vs. the world's worst defender in one-on-one situations. It'll be horrible to watch.

(Maybe not the world's worst in one-on-one situations, but he is completely incapable of dealing with those situations!).
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Bleed_Blue » Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:28 am

Feeling bad still, cant get myself to watch the highlights, go through posts in this forum or OS.

We will win at Barca, even if we dont it doesnt matter.

Waiting for next match thread, I want Demi to start
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Beefymcfc » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:16 am

What's this with the ref being a multi-millionaire? Seems like he made a few more million on this game.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Slim » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:08 am

Beefymcfc wrote:What's this with the ref being a multi-millionaire? Seems like he made a few more million on this game.


He was only a millionaire before the game.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Nigels Tackle » Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:18 am

Beefymcfc wrote:What's this with the ref being a multi-millionaire? Seems like he made a few more million on this game.


i don't understand this media fascination with his financial status
surely it's a good thing that he has a few quid in the bank and doesn't have to work the after dinner circuit to make ends meet?
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:43 am

Original Dub wrote:
getdressedmctavish wrote:I know what Ted's talking about with regard to the first 20 mins, I was going apeshit at our giving it away, but then it settled down, we got our shit together and started to create chances. Our plan using Kolarov worked perfectly, Alves couldn't get forward because of the risk Kolarov would go past him. Our downfall was when Jesus let us down.Kompany I thinkfound him with a quick ball and for a second he was one on one with their lb with 40 yards of green beckoning. Komps and Demi set off for the half way line, but Jesus dithered, was fouled and the rest is history. Had he gone past the fullback we may well have scored, the whole team was doing well at that point. But the ref bottled it, somehow Messi wasn't offside(who played him on, Cliché?) and once we were down to ten Alves started to get down the right and we conceded. No, they weren't that great, Messi particularly, and yes we can give em a good game and will.But the idea we didn't play well or that the planning was poor is wrong imo. We were unlucky and they are a team who could take advantage of that.But we could have the luck in spain.


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Great post. This is about what I feel as well after having calmed down.

It's hard to know what was instructions and what was down to nerves but for all the "Pellegrini is a gambler"-posts going around, it seems he wanted them to start careful and then grow into the game. Which we did. As I wrote in the match thread, the former Swedish national team manager was there commenting on the game on Swedish TV. I don't like him and I think the time he spent managing the Swedish national side between 2006 and 2010 was a waste of time, but one thing he knows is defensive positioning and defensive play. He said we were pretty much spotless in our defense up until the red card and penalty and for all the passing of Barcelona, he found our gameplay much more exciting to watch with the quick counter attacks. He also said that Valdez's save on one of our corners was amazing and life-saving as Kompany was sure to head it in. Small margins as they say.

Kompany played Messi onside sadly. He made a half-arsed decisions that stranded him in the middle of a large green patch with no players around him, trying to block the pass that he knew would come to Messi although there was clearly too much angle to cover. Playing football at this level is like driving, there's no place for half measures. Kompany is a very resolute player so I'm not complaining generally, this time he made a mistake though. Perhaps not a mistake with the same magnitude as Demi's red card challenge but not far off. It happens I guess, but there are signs, perhaps not too worrying though, that also he is finding himself a bit hot-headed and rash at times in Pellegrini's tactics. If Mancini's tactics made players avoid mistakes, play carefully and probing until they found Tevez (over-simplified to make a point, but not far off during 2010-11 for example), Pellegrini's got our entire team huffing and puffing and steaming with energy at almost all times. A consequence seems to be these individual errors. Glaring at times. Even Kompany's prone to make them.

Why players like Demi or Milner (against WBA last season) will think that last minute tackles are a good option in those types of situations I will never know. Perhaps it's that winner "always must win" mentality that very few of us normal people have that makes them rash and uncompromising as push comes to shove. I don't know. Anyone else have a guess? Antti?
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:32 am

Kompany was giving Zabba/Navas an out ball, & when Navas lost it, was backing Zabba who had 2v1, the problem is that Demichelis was meandering up the pitch without any idea of the position of Kompany or Messi & not thinking about the posssible danger. Because he is not very good.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby DoomMerchant » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:40 am

Ted Hughes wrote:Kompany was giving Zabba/Navas an out ball, & when Navas lost it, was backing Zabba who had 2v1, the problem is that Demichelis was meandering up the pitch without any idea of the position of Kompany or Messi & not thinking about the posssible danger. Because he is not very good.


I was thinking we'd have done better with Richards at CB.

Every manager has their faves. Regretful. And we paid 3.5m for him.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Ted Hughes » Thu Feb 20, 2014 11:51 am

DoomMerchant wrote:
Ted Hughes wrote:Kompany was giving Zabba/Navas an out ball, & when Navas lost it, was backing Zabba who had 2v1, the problem is that Demichelis was meandering up the pitch without any idea of the position of Kompany or Messi & not thinking about the posssible danger. Because he is not very good.


I was thinking we'd have done better with Richards at CB.

Every manager has their faves. Regretful. And we paid 3.5m for him.


Well tbf, when we were all stood in a line trying to stop Barca from playing, he did it excellently, & he did it in a way I doubt Lescott or Richards would have done. It's a different style of defending & I can see why Count needs the right kind of player for that job, if that's his plan.

But seeing as we haven't got anyone like that, it would be better to adapt a bit & go with what we have, rather than put our fate in the hands of a serial calamity causer.

Still, we could yet be on for a domestic treble even allowing for Demichelis so it's hard to argue too much, until we see how it pans out. Apparently the media in Spain are now speculating as to why the fuck we bought him though, so it's not just us.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Hazy2 » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:25 pm

We are still are work in progress, we were looking at 35 mill for a partner for Vincent, when we might only need a player who fits the role next to Vinny, I still think at 28 Vermalen would be decent addition, He and Vinny could become a partnership easier than most.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Original Dub » Thu Feb 20, 2014 12:47 pm

Hazy2 wrote:We are still are work in progress, we were looking at 35 mill for a partner for Vincent, when we might only need a player who fits the role next to Vinny, I still think at 28 Vermalen would be decent addition, He and Vinny could become a partnership easier than most.


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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby TheBlueCatsWhiskers » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:13 pm

Original Dub wrote: Not a bad shout
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Dmitri Mendeleev » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:26 pm

It is my daily habit to read all the threads on here but keep my thoughts to myself - but this one I could not resist!
Returning to the 'we are not out of it yet' theme. I've just put £10 on City to qualify against Barcelona on Bet365 and the odds they offer are 17-1.
As everyone points out, we defended to stop a Bayern repeat, then with only 10 men we nearly swung it our way. At Barca we have nowt to defend, so our manager will encourage us to attack, and with 11 players, perhaps including Kun, the game is still on. 17s are ridiculous odds for a game involving only 2 teams.
Can I claiming more Brownie points than the optimists on here - because I have backed our team with my hard-earned money?
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Burt » Thu Feb 20, 2014 2:45 pm

Dmitri Mendeleev wrote:It is my daily habit to read all the threads on here but keep my thoughts to myself - but this one I could not resist!
Returning to the 'we are not out of it yet' theme. I've just put £10 on City to qualify against Barcelona on Bet365 and the odds they offer are 17-1.
As everyone points out, we defended to stop a Bayern repeat, then with only 10 men we nearly swung it our way. At Barca we have nowt to defend, so our manager will encourage us to attack, and with 11 players, perhaps including Kun, the game is still on. 17s are ridiculous odds for a game involving only 2 teams.
Can I claiming more Brownie points than the optimists on here - because I have backed our team with my hard-earned money?


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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Nigels Tackle » Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:24 pm

Dmitri Mendeleev wrote:It is my daily habit to read all the threads on here but keep my thoughts to myself - but this one I could not resist!
Returning to the 'we are not out of it yet' theme. I've just put £10 on City to qualify against Barcelona on Bet365 and the odds they offer are 17-1.
As everyone points out, we defended to stop a Bayern repeat, then with only 10 men we nearly swung it our way. At Barca we have nowt to defend, so our manager will encourage us to attack, and with 11 players, perhaps including Kun, the game is still on. 17s are ridiculous odds for a game involving only 2 teams.
Can I claiming more Brownie points than the optimists on here - because I have backed our team with my hard-earned money?


odds ranging from 66-100/1 for us to win the comp outright
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby Dameerto » Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:04 pm

I didn't hear Pellegrini's postmatch comments but I watched the game at my dad's and we were both scratching our heads at the refereeing (he's neutral but supports English clubs except the RAGs in Europe) - every socalled foul on Barca where they retained the ball and they were given advantage - in the second half Busquets (or however you spell that piece of shit's name) fouled Silva, we had the ball in Barc'as defensive third and the ref stops the game and blows the whistle for a free kick to us. It was the same all night, 50/50's going Barca's way. I was wound up by the end of the game.
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Re: ***city v barca official match thread***

Postby bayblue » Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:12 pm

Just watched the game on TV, away from the adrenaline and uncertainty of watching it from the South stand.
I was pleasantly surprised.
The result is a real disappointment, but I think it's actually another step on our journey to one day winning the league. And I can't concur with any view that says we wimped out or bottled it.

The negatives:
- we were too sloppy in possession, especially the first half
- we were not smart enough on the pitch in the first fifteen minutes. Whenever Barca dominated possession it was when Iniesta drifted in to make a three with Xavi and Fabregas, up against our two of YaYa and Fernadinho. The need was for Navas to step inside and help out. He struggled to do this at first, whether due to orders or his own awareness and the result was we were overrun in the middle and were overmanned on our right. By way of example of this I don't think Barca mounted one attack down our right flank in the first half. Later in the half and in the early part of the second we wised up to this and consequently saw more of the ball.
- we were punished for errors. On the first I'd hold both Vinny and Demi accountable. Vinny ran back to play Messi onside, without a glance at where Demi was. Demi in turn was too slow and then made the rash challenge. On the second then Fernandinho and Clichy were either too knackered or lost concentration to let git face in to score.


The positives:
- we showed we had learned from the games versus Chelsea and Bayern. We were a lot more disciplined and avoided both the outnumbered counter attacks and closed down potential shots from the edge of the box.
- after the first ten or so minutes we came back into the game well, and by my reckoning had at least as good chances if not better than they did until the sending off
- we played some really good football, albeit with much less possession than we are used to
- we showed we could hurt them; whereas Joe had one save in the first half we rattled their defence much more
- we showed massive fight from all players; this was throughout the game and especially in playing for nearly 40 minutes with ten men against one of the best 3 teams in the world.
- our 'flair players' both created and worked hard. Compare and contrast Silva and Nasri with Ozil and Santi C last night!
- with a couple of further additions you could see this team making even better progress in Europe; possibly this year but definitely next.

The hand of fate:
- we were unlucky not to have Milner and Aguero. Milner would have done a much better job than either Kolarov or Navas and Aguero would have hurt them.
- we were unlucky with the decisions around the penalty
- Barca have some fantastic players and it would have been so much easier to get acclimatised to the knock puts by playing virtually any other team.

I think we are on a journey to become the best team in Europe. I'm really gutted we lost two nil but for me we showed that we have spirit, that we can play with the best and that we can learn to adapt as we play against the best. More experience and strengthening the squad will mean we will have a much better chance of success next season.
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