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Postby Beefymcfc » Sun May 04, 2014 10:08 am

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Fuck me, that was a bit harsh. Are you having a fling with him or something, your defence of the RatBoy looks quite awkward?

I think Neville is a breath of thresh air and his analysis is excellent. However, when it comes to his match punditry I have a different view where I feel it let's him down. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for 'Growing Up', if I want to have a pop at the skanky little Rat featured fucker then I'll do it in any manner I want and you have the right to tell me to 'Grow Up' anytime you want, but that's not what I've done in the above post, it was more an observation than a criticism.

I apologise though mate, I'll try not to upset you in the future.


Wow Beefy, that's your argument? I have a fling with Neville? I guess the growing up comment was more to the point than I imagined.

You can have as many pops you like Beefy, but saying that his mask is starting to crack is so pathetic and paranoid it doesn't even suit you. It's not like he saluted us for crushing United with 6-1, 4-1 or 3-0 either was it? He gave us some praise but I'd say most of his comments were about how poor United were and he wasn't happy with those games either.

The match punditry is of course worse than when he's in the studio but then match punditry and commentry is such a stupid job to have anyways. They go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and they never talk about the fucking game at hand. It's like they're forced to just talk, regardless of what's happening on the field. I wish there was an option for watching the game with the crowd and pitch noise only, that'd be great.

Tyler's an idiot though.

As I said mate, it was an observation rather than a criticism. You're right though, I can be very childish when it comes to the likes of the Rag scum, it's engrained after years of vitriol towards us, and the childish and arrogant behaviour that they've shown to us as a club, and as fans.

It won't change.
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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Sun May 04, 2014 10:59 am

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Fuck me, that was a bit harsh. Are you having a fling with him or something, your defence of the RatBoy looks quite awkward?

I think Neville is a breath of thresh air and his analysis is excellent. However, when it comes to his match punditry I have a different view where I feel it let's him down. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for 'Growing Up', if I want to have a pop at the skanky little Rat featured fucker then I'll do it in any manner I want and you have the right to tell me to 'Grow Up' anytime you want, but that's not what I've done in the above post, it was more an observation than a criticism.

I apologise though mate, I'll try not to upset you in the future.


Wow Beefy, that's your argument? I have a fling with Neville? I guess the growing up comment was more to the point than I imagined.

You can have as many pops you like Beefy, but saying that his mask is starting to crack is so pathetic and paranoid it doesn't even suit you. It's not like he saluted us for crushing United with 6-1, 4-1 or 3-0 either was it? He gave us some praise but I'd say most of his comments were about how poor United were and he wasn't happy with those games either.

The match punditry is of course worse than when he's in the studio but then match punditry and commentry is such a stupid job to have anyways. They go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and they never talk about the fucking game at hand. It's like they're forced to just talk, regardless of what's happening on the field. I wish there was an option for watching the game with the crowd and pitch noise only, that'd be great.

Tyler's an idiot though.

As I said mate, it was an observation rather than a criticism. You're right though, I can be very childish when it comes to the likes of the Rag scum, it's engrained after years of vitriol towards us, and the childish and arrogant behaviour that they've shown to us as a club, and as fans.

It won't change.


Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend I know what it's been like to live in Manchester or England even, being a City fan taking abuse from rags. It can't have been nice though.

IMO, Neville provides quality. If the journalistic standard was set at his level, a lot of the dross we have to put up with, all across the world in the field of sport journalism, would be gone and we'd all be a lot happier.
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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby patrickblue » Sun May 04, 2014 11:31 am

Hate to say it, but I agree with Coco regarding Neville's integrity. I find it difficult after all those years of him being the arch-cnut at the swamp, but to me he's just the total professional at Sky.
Tyler however was just a twat yesterday, and even at some point said there would be some sort of official comeback because of yesterdays muted atmosphere. Fulking idiot.
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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby Beefymcfc » Sun May 04, 2014 11:38 am

Cocacolajojo wrote:Fair enough. I'm not going to pretend I know what it's been like to live in Manchester or England even, being a City fan taking abuse from rags. It can't have been nice though.

IMO, Neville provides quality. If the journalistic standard was set at his level, a lot of the dross we have to put up with, all across the world in the field of sport journalism, would be gone and we'd all be a lot happier.

It's all opinion mate, and as I've said, I do enjoy RatBoys analysis of the game, I even enjoy Carragher's in a funny sort of way. What I don't like is his punditry when he's doing our games. Couple that with Tyler's die-hard defence of all things red and it becomes nauseating listening to the fuckers.

Take yesterday for instance, the whole theme of yesterdays commentary was set when Tyler deided to make-out that Everton were somehow not playing for the win, over and over again saying that the crowd were very subdued and that Everton would have to answer questions on their performance (amongst other things). What the hell was that about, bringing the integrity of a club into question even though they scored 1st and even went close to at least getting a draw.

Then there was the goals and how they were reported. Tyler and went absolutely skits at Barkley's goal (and rightly so) but when we scored, especially the 2nd, they couldn't even be arsed talking about it. In fact, they both sounded thoroughly disappointed, blandly talking us through it before giving a 30 second pause before mentioning Liverpool and even the Rags.

But, the biggest fuck off for me was when RatBoy said 'I'm bored watching this'. Are you fucking kidding me, a pundit reporting a game that had all the edge to it, with all the ups and downs, knowing that Blues of both teams would be watching, is fucking 'Boring'! Even if he has a bias to the Rags and the media are wanting the Dippers to take the title, you don't say that the game is 'Boring'.

For me, RatBoy seems to have spat his dummy out. He brought his wordly wisdom to us a few weeks back when we played the Dippers, a game that he commentated on and I actually heard him *sigh* when we scored. He stated that Liverpool had all the advantage and that if the upcoming games were the other way around and we had a chance to put pressure on them, however, because that wasn't the case then he'd already written us off and Liverpool would win it. Well, it hasn't turned out as he prophicised and whether his thoughts were based on analysis, experience or favouritism he has been found to be completely wrong and we've turned what he said on it's head.

Like I said, there are many reasons for me to dislike the Rag twat but his analysis isn't one of the them. What I cannot stand is the Sky love-in of all things red with Tyler's and RatBoys inane match bollocks at the top of my list. Like I said, for me, his mask has slipped a little and he is showing his true colours. There's nothing wrong with that in itself as I expect some bias from an ex-player but to bring it to the fore during a crucial game is just not on.
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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby Foreverinbluedreams » Sun May 04, 2014 11:42 am

Well said Beefy.

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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby jimtolmie_tache » Sun May 04, 2014 2:16 pm

patrickblue wrote:Hate to say it, but I agree with Coco regarding Neville's integrity. I find it difficult after all those years of him being the arch-cnut at the swamp, but to me he's just the total professional at Sky.
Tyler however was just a twat yesterday, and even at some point said there would be some sort of official comeback because of yesterdays muted atmosphere. Fulking idiot.


Don't forget Dzeko. There's that rule where a player can be retrospectively punished for something the referee didn't see... Probert 'saw' Dzeko supposedly feigning injury and yellow carded him, but then Tyler invented a new FA rule whereby a player can be further punished for something the referee did see and take action on. So that's Dzeko banned for the rest of the season then...
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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby Cocacolajojo1 » Sun May 04, 2014 3:00 pm

Take yesterday for instance, the whole theme of yesterdays commentary was set when Tyler deided to make-out that Everton were somehow not playing for the win, over and over again saying that the crowd were very subdued and that Everton would have to answer questions on their performance (amongst other things). What the hell was that about, bringing the integrity of a club into question even though they scored 1st and even went close to at least getting a draw.


That was Tyler, not Neville. Neville thought we handled ourselves well after the equaliser. What they were questioning was the atmosphere though which I can sort of agree with to an extent. Tyler went ahead and made a meal out of it though, but I think it is safely established at this point that he's a sycophantic moron.

Then there was the goals and how they were reported. Tyler and went absolutely skits at Barkley's goal (and rightly so) but when we scored, especially the 2nd, they couldn't even be arsed talking about it. In fact, they both sounded thoroughly disappointed, blandly talking us through it before giving a 30 second pause before mentioning Liverpool and even the Rags.


I can't say that I noticed that but I can't say that you're wrong, I don't pay attention to these types of details unless they're very obvious.
But, the biggest fuck off for me was when RatBoy said 'I'm bored watching this'. Are you fucking kidding me, a pundit reporting a game that had all the edge to it, with all the ups and downs, knowing that Blues of both teams would be watching, is fucking 'Boring'! Even if he has a bias to the Rags and the media are wanting the Dippers to take the title, you don't say that the game is 'Boring'.


Why not? That's his right though isn't it? If he only does it against us then fine, that's a problem, but I haven't combed through all his punditry to see if that's the case. I got the feeling he was quite underwhelmed by the way the fixture panned out and moreover, seemingly irritated at Tyler.

For me, RatBoy seems to have spat his dummy out. He brought his wordly wisdom to us a few weeks back when we played the Dippers, a game that he commentated on and I actually heard him *sigh* when we scored.


Interesting, I would've thought his United-tinted specs would have us as slightly less revolting winners than Liverpool.

He stated that Liverpool had all the advantage and that if the upcoming games were the other way around and we had a chance to put pressure on them, however, because that wasn't the case then he'd already written us off and Liverpool would win it. Well, it hasn't turned out as he prophicised and whether his thoughts were based on analysis, experience or favouritism he has been found to be completely wrong and we've turned what he said on it's head


Or, we confirmed what he said back in February:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2550193/GARY-NEVILLE-City-remind-Uniteds-title-winners-light-blue-shirts.html

At the end of last season, many people in English football were talking about the potential of Spanish and German clubs to dominate the Champions League in the future.

On the back of a poor season for English clubs in that tournament, the dominance of Bayern Munich and the impact of Borussia Dortmund, it might have seemed as though the Premier League was being left behind.

I never believed that would be the case but I was wrong in analysing which clubs would be leading the English comeback.
At the time I thought Manchester United, freshly crowned as Premier League champions and with a group of young players in their squad, would have the potential to challenge in Europe. But, of course, United have regressed since the summer.

Yet I think I was right to say that the Premier League would return. And leading the charge are the two clubs who meet Monday night and are emerging as the dominant Premier League teams — Manchester City and Chelsea.

Both have the potential to be European champions. This season may be too soon but I see signs that City and Chelsea are building teams that will win trophies not just in England but in Europe as well.

With City, that must now be obvious to anyone who sees them. The biggest compliment I could pay to them as a United fan is that watching them beat Tottenham on Wednesday night gave me a sinking feeling in my stomach. It was as though I were watching one of the title-winning United sides — only they were wearing light blue shirts.

Given that they seem to be making additions in central defence and midfield this summer — the two areas where they might need some cover — you can see them only improving. And now that Joe Hart, Vincent Kompany and Yaya Toure are back to their best, I think they are on a different level from anyone else.

The only thing that might stop them winning the title would be injuries. Missing Sergio Aguero for a month will hurt them, though they have ample reserve in Alvaro Negredo, Edin Dzeko and Stevan Jovetic. The pressure of fixtures, with the Barcelona games in the Champions League and the Capital One Cup final against Sunderland, could be a possible disruption.

Such has been their improvement this season that it would not surprise me in the slightest if they beat Barcelona. Of course, they could lose — and missing Aguero will be significant. But they are playing with such power, energy and skill that I am sure they will cause Barcelona problems, although they will have to demonstrate that they have learned from their defeat by Bayern Munich at the Etihad earlier in the season, a game in which they were made to look naive.
Even with the signing on Friday night of Kim Kallstrom, I’m not sure they will have the strength in depth to negotiate a fixture list that sees them play Liverpool twice, Bayern Munich twice, Manchester United, Manchester City, Chelsea and Tottenham in the next 12 games. Nor do I think they have the power and muscularity that Manchester City have in midfield to drive them on in games when they’re not at their best.

At Chelsea, though, there are clear signs of improvement. If I were Pellegrini, I would rather have Arsenal on my shoulder than Chelsea. City’s opponents tomorrow night have a manager who knows exactly how to negotiate a title run-in and win the league, and, unlike Arsenal, they still have a core of players with that experience as well.

In November they looked like a team lacking direction, one that did not know what was expected of them. Now you can see they are beginning to be moulded into the kind of unit Jose Mourinho expects.

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It is energetic, high-intensity football with a twist of subtlety, similar to the way Bayern and Dortmund played last season. It is said that you cannot play a 4-4-2 these days, but you can if you have Fernandinho and Yaya Toure in central midfield, players with power in their body strength and legs driving forward. It’s the job Bastian Schweinsteiger and Javier Martinez did for Bayern last season and Ilkay Gundogan and Sven Bender did at times for Dortmund.

I see Chelsea as their principal challengers. I know Arsenal are likely to go top on Sunday and I have said many times that if Manchester United don’t win the league, I would like Arsenal to do so because of the football they play and the manner in which the club are run.

Mourinho’s teams are always built on strong defence and speed in attack. But the key to the system he is playing is his wide players coming back and defending. Arjen Robben and Franck Ribery set the current standard for that last year with Bayern Munich, and I think that in the last two months there has been an enormous difference in the work I’m seeing from Eden Hazard and Willian.

They may not be at Manchester City’s level yet but with Ramires, Frank Lampard, David Luiz, John Obi Mikel and Nemanja Matic in midfield, with Gary Cahill and John Terry establishing a partnership in defence, they have a spine with the kind of strength and energy you need.

Where they still are weak is up front. While part of me can understand Mourinho’s reasoning in wanting to wait until the summer to sign a striker, I’m still surprised they didn’t try to sign one in the January window.

They haven’t got a player of the calibre of Luis Suarez, Alvaro Negredo, Sergio Aguero, Edin Dzeko, Robin van Persie or Wayne Rooney. They don’t even have a striker with the quality of Olivier Giroud. They are the weakest of the major teams up front.
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Re: Tyler ....... Again !

Postby City64 » Sun May 04, 2014 7:56 pm

Been on a few forums this evening and it seems there is growing momentum against Tyler . His pathetic performance last night has also riled Evertonians aswell as City fans , he and Sky are seemingly getting it big time on twitter ......... Hopefully this sanctimonious cunts time is almost up .
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Postby Benjay » Sun May 04, 2014 7:58 pm

I fear Sky see him as an institution when in fact he should be institutionalised.
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Postby bayblue » Sun May 04, 2014 9:23 pm

Benjay wrote:I fear Sky see him as an institution when in fact he should be institutionalised.

I think he's also just not very bright. He seems to have a very one track mind. I've just watched the recording today and seemed to me even Neville was tiring of his constant mentioning of the atmosphere (which was odd but hardly merited 45 minutes commentary on it).
In fact when Neville said "I'm bored" I thought he was referring to Tyler's efforts at conversation !
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Postby Beefymcfc » Sun May 04, 2014 11:06 pm

bayblue wrote:
Benjay wrote:I fear Sky see him as an institution when in fact he should be institutionalised.

I think he's also just not very bright. He seems to have a very one track mind. I've just watched the recording today and seemed to me even Neville was tiring of his constant mentioning of the atmosphere (which was odd but hardly merited 45 minutes commentary on it).
In fact when Neville said "I'm bored" I thought he was referring to Tyler's efforts at conversation !

RatBoy said, 'To be honest, I'm bored of watching this game', or words to that effect.
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Postby john@staustell » Mon May 05, 2014 6:59 am

As I'm feeling mischievous this morning I think I'll copy this link to the SKY comments e-mail. Not that they seem to listen.
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Postby City64 » Mon May 05, 2014 7:53 am

john@staustell wrote:As I'm feeling mischievous this morning I think I'll copy this link to the SKY comments e-mail. Not that they seem to listen.


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Postby Benjay » Mon May 05, 2014 8:34 am

The bit that did it for me was when he started questioning the loan system. He was saying that it seemed unfair that Barry could not play against us and that there should be a debate about it. To my mind the loan issue has never been raised, never been questioned, never been a problem but now suddenly it was because basically Everton were a weaker team without him.
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Postby Wooders » Mon May 05, 2014 8:43 am

Benjay wrote:The bit that did it for me was when he started questioning the loan system. He was saying that it seemed unfair that Barry could not play against us and that there should be a debate about it. To my mind the loan issue has never been raised, never been questioned, never been a problem but now suddenly it was because basically Everton were a weaker team without him.


I actually agree with him in that point though - why should a team be given a competitive advantage?
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Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 05, 2014 8:54 am

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Benjay wrote:The bit that did it for me was when he started questioning the loan system. He was saying that it seemed unfair that Barry could not play against us and that there should be a debate about it. To my mind the loan issue has never been raised, never been questioned, never been a problem but now suddenly it was because basically Everton were a weaker team without him.


I actually agree with him in that point though - why should a team be given a competitive advantage?


If Devante Cole knocked in 30 goals for the EDS in the first half of next season, but we had signed Messi & had 4 strikers, so couldn't use him til the year after, would we loan him to Everton at Christmas, if we knew he was going to play against us ?
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Postby Wooders » Mon May 05, 2014 8:59 am

He should be able to play for the team he's loaned to if he is there for the season in all games.
I see your point that we simply won't loan within the same division but would that be so bad
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Postby Ted Hughes » Mon May 05, 2014 9:13 am

Wooders wrote:He should be able to play for the team he's loaned to if he is there for the season in all games.
I see your point that we simply won't loan within the same division but would that be so bad


Less young players from the top clubs will get the opportunity to play & less veteran players will get help with moves at the end of their careers.

We have done Barry a favour letting him play a season at Everton & put himself in the shop window. We would have just said 'no' & demanded a fee or he sits in the stands most weeks. By the end of the season, if the Count didn't play him, he would be forgotton & struggle to get a move to a decent side.
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Postby Tokyo Blue » Mon May 05, 2014 10:47 am

I think the issue of wages should also come into it. If we are paying part of his wage, and as I understand it we are, then no, he should not be allowed to play against us. They are getting him on the cheap as it is so you can't have it both ways.

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Postby Beefymcfc » Mon May 05, 2014 11:06 am

I think we should allow them to play but under the proviso that they play shit. That'd learn 'em.
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