Raising the roof..

[Original Dub]

Many current players talk about their fans as being the 12th man. Many ex-players say how you're too focussed on the game and don't notice what the fans are saying.

Fans have the ability to lift players. Maybe it's certain players. Maybe it's certain players at certain times?

There is no argument against not creating an atmosphere. I can't believe you think there is?!

[Blue Since 76]

Fans have the ability to lift players. Maybe it's certain players. Maybe it's certain players at certain times?

There is no argument against not creating an atmosphere. I can't believe you think there is?!

If you read my posts, I said I prefer an atmosphere, but I'm not convinced it really affects the players. Whenever I've heard an ex-player talking once they're not under the corporate communication policy, they've all said they never paid attention. If that's the case, I'm not sure what difference it makes in terms of the result. I doubt it hurts the result, but I'm not sure the 12th man stuff is real

[Blue Since 76]

Cheering your team on, singing every song in the book to give the team an extra boost. That's acting like a neanderthal? What's the point in going then?

I think the dippers went way beyond what you said and yet they still lost. In fact, if cheering your team on urges them forwards, which I'm not convinced by, then maybe the fans contributed to their loss against Chelsea? Liverpool needed to be patient and accept the draw if necessary yet pushed forward madly and it cost them. I think that was Brenda's naive tactics, but maybe the atmosphere got to the players?

[Mase]

I think the dippers went way beyond what you said and yet they still lost. In fact, if cheering your team on urges them forwards, which I'm not convinced by, then maybe the fans contributed to their loss against Chelsea? Liverpool needed to be patient and accept the draw if necessary yet pushed forward madly and it cost them. I think that was Brenda's naive tactics, but maybe the atmosphere got to the players?

Fair enough. We both have a differing opinion but I guess that's what a forum is for. I for one will be getting fully behind the team tonight and singing my heart out (even up there in the 3rd tier).

[Blue Since 76]

Move the kiddy section to the 3rd tier are you serious? Have a proper think about what you have just suggested and you will probably realise what a stupid suggestion it is.

I sit in the family stand and I'd agree with it. Putting all the kids behind one of the goals is ridiculous, even if I like my view. The better option may be on a side, but that's now corporate so isn't going to happen.

Plus a high stand means no reason for standing which isn't fair when there are kids - a 6 year old can't see even if stood in a seat if there's a 6' bloke stood up in the row in front.

[Ted Hughes]

Build an 'away' section for home fans, with Stewards etc seperating it from the kiddies part. Nobody stands up in front of the kids & loads try to get seats in the 'away' section because it's much more fun than the arms folded 'singing section'.

[Blue Since 76]

Build an 'away' section for home fans, with Stewards etc seperating it from the kiddies part. Nobody stands up in front of the kids & loads try to get seats in the 'away' section because it's much more fun than the arms folded 'singing section'.

Everyone stands up in front of the kids if it's a decent game or a chance at that end which is unfair on the kids. The songs also need to be moderated or not sung at all which is why putting it behind the goal is such a daft place. Maybe when the 3rd tier is available, they could move the lower tier family stand up, so at least the bit behind the goal is available

[Sister of fu]

I don't agree that the fans getting behind the team doesn't help. Why on Saturday did Joe Hart come over to the fans both at the start of the first halve before switching ends and then the 2nd half banging his chest and raising his hands to gesture for us to make noise, because it fires the team up. The fans at Everton on Saturday were superb and drove the team forward. We have to replicate our away fans form at home.

[Breks]

I sit in the family stand and I'd agree with it. Putting all the kids behind one of the goals is ridiculous, even if I like my view. The better option may be on a side, but that's now corporate so isn't going to happen.

Plus a high stand means no reason for standing which isn't fair when there are kids - a 6 year old can't see even if stood in a seat if there's a 6' bloke stood up in the row in front.

I sit in the family stand and I wouldn't want to be in the 3rd tier with my youngest. Being closer to the pitch is a better experience for the kids imo.

[Dameerto]

If you read my posts, I said I prefer an atmosphere, but I'm not convinced it really affects the players. Whenever I've heard an ex-player talking once they're not under the corporate communication policy, they've all said they never paid attention. If that's the case, I'm not sure what difference it makes in terms of the result. I doubt it hurts the result, but I'm not sure the 12th man stuff is real

Have you heard of negative reinforcement? You have an opinion and you are remembering players which agree with it (rather than forming an opinion based on what players have said, as you're trying to suggest).
If you don't think crowds can make a difference to results then go away and work out for every team in the league what their average points per game has been this season at home compared to away - I think I can tell you which is higher, I would also suggest the crowd is the main reason for it.

[Wonderwall]

is it also related to size?

http://www.european-football-statistics.co.uk/attn.htm

[gillie]

I think where away fans are situated in grounds also has a baring on home crowd noise levels.Look at both Newcastle and Sunderland the away fans are up in the gods so the home fans are more of a solid mass and therefore likely to make more sustained noise.

[Blue Since 76]

Have you heard of negative reinforcement? You have an opinion and you are remembering players which agree with it (rather than forming an opinion based on what players have said, as you're trying to suggest).
If you don't think crowds can make a difference to results then go away and work out for every team in the league what their average points per game has been this season at home compared to away - I think I can tell you which is higher, I would also suggest the crowd is the main reason for it.

I'm forming an opinion based on what ex-players have said, rather than on an opinion that shouting a lot makes professional sportsmen try harder.

Before I go and work out the points tally difference (should I ignore the rags?), can you confirm how much difference the other factors make eg length of the grass chosen by the home side or the huge difference in quality and facilities in the home and away dressing rooms, usual hotel vs the one you go to once a season etc?

[Dameerto]

So you're level headed enough to carefully weigh up everything former players have said before forming an opinion based on it?
And you're not using bits of remembered quotes and interviews to reinforce an existing opinion?
I see, what a reasonable person you are. You should consider a career in science. (I bet you never tell fibs either).

[Blue Since 76]

So you're level headed enough to carefully weigh up everything former players have said before forming an opinion based on it?
And you're not using bits of remembered quotes and interviews to reinforce an existing opinion?
I see, what a reasonable person you are. You should consider a career in science. (I bet you never tell fibs either).

I always assumed fans made a difference, as the old 12th man gets mentioned time after time. I've therefore been surprised to hear ex-pros say something else, but I've never been a professional sportsman and therefore 'in the zone'. Maybe some are affected and some aren't and I've only seen quotes from those who weren't, but my revised opinion is based on the people fans are trying to affect.

As I've said previously, I still want a good atmosphere and hate the nights when you can hear the players shouting over the crowd noise, I'm just not sure it makes a difference on the pitch.

[JamieMCFC]

So you're level headed enough to carefully weigh up everything former players have said before forming an opinion based on it?
And you're not using bits of remembered quotes and interviews to reinforce an existing opinion?
I see, what a reasonable person you are. You should consider a career in science. (I bet you never tell fibs either).

I always assumed fans made a difference, as the old 12th man gets mentioned time after time. I've therefore been surprised to hear ex-pros say something else, but I've never been a professional sportsman and therefore 'in the zone'. Maybe some are affected and some aren't and I've only seen quotes from those who weren't, but my revised opinion is based on the people fans are trying to affect.

As I've said previously, I still want a good atmosphere and hate the nights when you can hear the players shouting over the crowd noise, I'm just not sure it makes a difference on the pitch.

Source?

[littlebig]

Can't believe that crowd cheering the team spurs the players on is even being argued!

We are psychological creatures after all. Put it this way, if the home crowd proper booed and abused their own players game after game does anyone think that that would not have a negative effect on the players?

It may only have a very very small effect overall but this game can be decided by the smallest of margins.

What about putting a roof on the stadium to reverberate the noise in the ground? Is that actually possible I wonder with the current structure? One thing is certain, as pointed out by others here, the owners need to have a good look at this aspect as well as the fans doing their bit. Some of our home game atmosphere's have been very very poor and it pains me to say that.

[JamieMCFC]

So you're level headed enough to carefully weigh up everything former players have said before forming an opinion based on it?
And you're not using bits of remembered quotes and interviews to reinforce an existing opinion?
I see, what a reasonable person you are. You should consider a career in science. (I bet you never tell fibs either).

I always assumed fans made a difference, as the old 12th man gets mentioned time after time. I've therefore been surprised to hear ex-pros say something else, but I've never been a professional sportsman and therefore 'in the zone'. Maybe some are affected and some aren't and I've only seen quotes from those who weren't, but my revised opinion is based on the people fans are trying to affect.

As I've said previously, I still want a good atmosphere and hate the nights when you can hear the players shouting over the crowd noise, I'm just not sure it makes a difference on the pitch.

Manuel Pellegrini has urged the Manchester City fans to play their part as his team close in on the Premier League title.

City are four points away from being crowned champions with two home games against Aston Villa and West Ham left to play.

And, writing in his programme notes ahead of Villa's visit on Wednesday night, the Chilean called on the supporters to roar the team to the title.

Pellegrini wrote: "More than at any other time this season, we need our supporters to make an atmosphere that our players will thrive in.

"The effect our fans can have on these games must not be underestimated. And, for the next two games, the contribution from our supporters will play a huge part.

"Together we can achieve our goals.

"Our objective is to win our final two games and then we will see where that takes us.."

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ty-7086661

[dazby]

It looked good tonight. Well done folks.

[Dameerto]

Sounded great on BEIN sport - Sky seemed to be filtering crowd noise out though.