Jamie Carragher Says ......

[Peter Doherty (AGAIG)]

I'm just surprised that anyone (other than the occasional dog) was able to understand a word that Carragher said (the high-pitched twat).

[Bridge'srightfoot]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.

Now if it was a choice of Courtois or Aguero ;)

Ratboy cunt's mask is slipping it seems. I don't think he's as great a pundit as some make him out to be, he is just made to look a genius by his peers who for the most part are numbskulls.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
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Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

[Foreverinbluedreams]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
.

Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

Apples all day.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
.

Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

Red or green?

Apples all day.

[Foreverinbluedreams]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
.

Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

Red or green?

Apples all day.

I'm hardly going to say red now am I?

[Mikhail Chigorin]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
.

Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

Not necessarily so.

If you had Messi and scoring goals was no problem, some people (myself included) would still go for Aguero, just to score even more goals.

Apart from which, there would be times when one, or both of them, was/were injured.

[dazby]

This is stupid. Everyone knows Joe Hart is the best keeper in the league.

[RodneyRodney]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.

Now if it was a choice of Courtois or Aguero ;)

Ratboy cunt's mask is slipping it seems. I don't think he's as great a pundit as some make him out to be, he is just made to look a genius by his peers who for the most part are numbskulls.

The best batter is at Sweaty Betty's in Didsbury , a couple of doors down from The Nelson

[RodneyRodney]

. . .and the best bowler is the one PatrickMacNee wore in The Avengers

[Im_Spartacus]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
.

Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

Not necessarily so.

If you had Messi and scoring goals was no problem, some people (myself included) would still go for Aguero, just to score even more goals.

Apart from which, there would be times when one, or both of them, was/were injured.

We'll this is all a bit fucked up, cos if I had Messi scoring goals, I would be choosing Messi no?

I'm lost now with this argument, surely the point is the influence that a particular player has on results, and whilst Aguero has been exceptional in scoring the goals we need to win, De Gayer is probably responsible for about half of the rags points this year due to their wank midfield and defence, so they can arguably both be said to be a big influence.

The other aspect of that argument, is that we keep winning even without Aguero, so arguably he is not irreplaceable, whereas De Gayer almost certainly is irreplaceable for the rags

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.

Now if it was a choice of Courtois or Aguero ;)

Ratboy cunt's mask is slipping it seems. I don't think he's as great a pundit as some make him out to be, he is just made to look a genius by his peers who for the most part are numbskulls.

The best batter is at Sweaty Betty's in Didsbury , a couple of doors down from The Nelson

I think Sweaty Betty's is no more.

[Moonchesteri]

Hate to be the voice of the strikers Union, but attackers win you games hence why they win awards.

Yes others are inportant, but until they change the rules the way you win games is sticking that ball inside that net. Simple.

Do you not think that's an over simplistification?

If you have a team where you deserved to lose at least 4 or 5 out of your last 7 games, but have won 6 and drawn 1 almost exclusively because of the performances of your goalkeeper, and utter dross defending from the opposition, (eg no talent required to score the goals) surely goalkeepers also win you games?

In the simplest analysis, players who score goals win games. Goalkeepers can only win a pointbecause if nobody scores you can't win and the best you can hope for is a draw.

That said, football is a TEAM game and all eleven players contribute, some more than others, but without the collective the individual is largely redundant.

Individual honours are all well and good but for me, they are largely ignored as I support my club and all the players involved. We have probably the best forward in the league and the rags have arguably the best goalkeeper in DeGea. So what? We'll see in May who has had the better season

But if the team is winning and they concede a penalty which will be the last kick of the game, doesn't the keeper then win the game for the team if he saves the penalty?
Ultimately that is a situation where the team's possible win relies 100% on the keeper, no?

[Herb]

How can you possibly compare? Ones the best striker in the league, the other is the best keeper. Completely different roles. Would be like comparing the best bowler (in cricket) with the best batter. There's almost no common ground to compare them.

You can't but what you can do is make a call on which one you would choose to play if it could only be one of them. It'd be Aguero all day long for me.
.

Well that depends on the rest of the team.
If you had messi for example and scoring goals was no problem then you'd choose De Gea. If you had Courtois but no good strikers you'd choose Aguero.
If we had De Gea and the Rags had Aguero, i reckon we'd both be worse off than we are now.

It's a silly comparison and one that doesn't really need to be made and there's no fair way to compare them in the first place.
Apples and oranges

But if we had De Gea and they had Joe Hart we'd be in top spot with a 5 point lead and they'd be in 12th - that's the difference between having a liability like Joe'Doh!' Hart or a top class keeper who doesn't drop clangers every other week.

[nottsblue]

Hate to be the voice of the strikers Union, but attackers win you games hence why they win awards.

Yes others are inportant, but until they change the rules the way you win games is sticking that ball inside that net. Simple.

Do you not think that's an over simplistification?

If you have a team where you deserved to lose at least 4 or 5 out of your last 7 games, but have won 6 and drawn 1 almost exclusively because of the performances of your goalkeeper, and utter dross defending from the opposition, (eg no talent required to score the goals) surely goalkeepers also win you games?

In the simplest analysis, players who score goals win games. Goalkeepers can only win a pointbecause if nobody scores you can't win and the best you can hope for is a draw.

That said, football is a TEAM game and all eleven players contribute, some more than others, but without the collective the individual is largely redundant.

Individual honours are all well and good but for me, they are largely ignored as I support my club and all the players involved. We have probably the best forward in the league and the rags have arguably the best goalkeeper in DeGea. So what? We'll see in May who has had the better season

But if the team is winning and they concede a penalty which will be the last kick of the game, doesn't the keeper then win the game for the team if he saves the penalty?
Ultimately that is a situation where the team's possible win relies 100% on the keeper, no?

No, because someone has scored to give the lead. The goalie is protecting that lead. I know what you're saying but I made it clear in the post that I feel football is a team game where all eleven players play their part and individual performances largely count for nothing without the rest of the team