Should Jovetic Start Today?

[twosips]

I know my post seems very melodramatic, but honestly, a huge part of my excitement about MCFC at the moment is the youth academy so a gesture like yesterday which basically implies it's gonna be ignored for a year doesn't half switch off part of my eagerness for the rest of the campaign.

[twosips]

Depressing innit?

you dont win anything with kids! Apparently.....well its a good rule of thumb, however, we do need to start blooding some, but we are not putting sides to the sword and when we do, we still dont bring them on. Prime example for me was the Crystal Palace game, cruising, 3-0, 80 mins we use our 3rd and final sub and we bring on Fernando, replacing Milner! We had Ambrose sat on the bench FFS.

Head in hands at that at the time. Honestly, was totally gobsmacked.

[mr_nool]

I'm too young to remember Peter Barnes but I do remember the feeling of pride and excitement when we saw SWP come through, and I fucking loved it. Same with Johnson, Ireland and Richards.

I remember watching Ishmael Miller tear Newcastle a new one down the left thinking he might actually develop into what Heskey was at Leicester. A big rampaging bully of a winger. Limited, but fun. I thought Nedum should have been the kind of player that developed into our O'Shea or Phil Neville - solid squad players that would be with us for fucking ages. Kasper coming through and thinking we had our own great Dane.

I always thought Stephen Jordan was shite...

I digress.. but yeah I agree. It frustrates the life out of me. I'll be honest, I can't help but feel a tiny bit desensitised to big money signings at the moment. It's like getting everything you want as a kid; you feel a bit spoiled. Sometimes you want to work for something and do it yourself - I grew up when we were the plucky underdogs and watching us take a relative unknown and seeing them develop into our idols over team, be it good or bad (Kinky, Goater, Tiatto, Rosler etc) was always really really exciting. I know it's unlikely that we'll see us sign a potential star for next to nothing these days given the level that we're operating at so the next big thing I guess is bringing our own through. And we can do it.

I'm absolutely 100% convinced, like you and many others are Ted, that we have some players in our youth team that are nailed on to be great footballers and that there are some that can do it now. Not two years from now, but like, 24 hours ago. Yeah, they won't be perfect, but fucking hell, if Ferguson can NEARLY make Luke Chadwick a star - he played in the CL quarter final ffs! - then what the fuck does Brandon Barker have to do? You just HAVE to trust in youth. It'd change the clubs dynamic and the feel good factor around the whole Etihad Campus would be tangible. This bunch of players is ten times better than the players we had coming out of our academy in the early 2000s.

The current team selections in cup competitions are really really depressing and if I was Ambrose, Pozo, Barker, Celina, Bryan or someone like that i'd feel a tiny bit fed up. Justifiably I reckon. Last night basically sent out a message to the EDS team that most are miles off, and that's just unfair imo.

Fantastic post mate, I agree wholeheartedly.

[Mikhail Chigorin]

I'm too young to remember Peter Barnes but I do remember the feeling of pride and excitement when we saw SWP come through, and I fucking loved it. Same with Johnson, Ireland and Richards.

I remember watching Ishmael Miller tear Newcastle a new one down the left thinking he might actually develop into what Heskey was at Leicester. A big rampaging bully of a winger. Limited, but fun. I thought Nedum should have been the kind of player that developed into our O'Shea or Phil Neville - solid squad players that would be with us for fucking ages. Kasper coming through and thinking we had our own great Dane.

I always thought Stephen Jordan was shite...

I digress.. but yeah I agree. It frustrates the life out of me. I'll be honest, I can't help but feel a tiny bit desensitised to big money signings at the moment. It's like getting everything you want as a kid; you feel a bit spoiled. Sometimes you want to work for something and do it yourself - I grew up when we were the plucky underdogs and watching us take a relative unknown and seeing them develop into our idols over team, be it good or bad (Kinky, Goater, Tiatto, Rosler etc) was always really really exciting. I know it's unlikely that we'll see us sign a potential star for next to nothing these days given the level that we're operating at so the next big thing I guess is bringing our own through. And we can do it.

I'm absolutely 100% convinced, like you and many others are Ted, that we have some players in our youth team that are nailed on to be great footballers and that there are some that can do it now. Not two years from now, but like, 24 hours ago. Yeah, they won't be perfect, but fucking hell, if Ferguson can NEARLY make Luke Chadwick a star - he played in the CL quarter final ffs! - then what the fuck does Brandon Barker have to do? You just HAVE to trust in youth. It'd change the clubs dynamic and the feel good factor around the whole Etihad Campus would be tangible. This bunch of players is ten times better than the players we had coming out of our academy in the early 2000s.

The current team selections in cup competitions are really really depressing and if I was Ambrose, Pozo, Barker, Celina, Bryan or someone like that i'd feel a tiny bit fed up. Justifiably I reckon. Last night basically sent out a message to the EDS team that most are miles off, and that's just unfair imo.

Fantastic post mate, I agree wholeheartedly.

Absolutely.

That's a very fine post and I think that it sums up a lot of the feelings that many of us may have.

I suppose that the Club probably feels it can't be too rash about bringing in youngsters too soon, but whenever is there a right time ?? If they're good enough, then they could be considered old enough, but how does anyone find out if they're not given the chance in the first place ??

I well remember the excitement and interest, even amongst fans who supported other Clubs, that seemed to be created when Mel Machin started to bring through that crop of five or six youngsters, into the first team, at the very end of the 1980s. People at the place where I was working couldn't stop talking about it.

An old guy I used to know had a number of pithy sayings which he would wheel out at appropriate times and one of them was "Just take a chance; your mother did".

I'd just like us to take a chance (or two, or three, or........).

[twosips]

Do you remember when we beat Portsmouth about five or six years ago 5-0 and it was basically Ireland and Robinho utterly doing them in? Seeing one of our own linking up with someone who was considered a world superstar (well a wayward one at least) was a thrill.

In many ways that should be a little teaser of what should be having now. We have several players better than Robinho now and we have many youth players who will do more in the game that Ireland. We have to find out who sinks or swims. No excuses.

[Ted Hughes]

There's another one mentioned; Keane Bryan. Would he look so bad between Yaya & Fernando ? Ntcham, Byrne. Maffeo.

Reference to the League Cup. Imo a couple of those kids vs Newcastle, would have put a completely different angle on the whole procedings & I fully believe Newcastle would have been beaten.

If the Count starts to use some of these kids then I'll forgive him, buf if not, well he's so keen on rotation; we should fucking rotate the Count for the League Cup next season & put Vieira in charge of it & tell him we want at least 30% of the team to be from our academy.

[roblues]

Do you remember when we beat Portsmouth about five or six years ago 5-0 and it was basically Ireland and Robinho utterly doing them in? Seeing one of our own linking up with someone who was considered a world superstar (well a wayward one at least) was a thrill.

In many ways that should be a little teaser of what should be having now. We have several players better than Robinho now and we have many youth players who will do more in the game that Ireland. We have to find out who sinks or swims. No excuses.

It was 6-0, and a couple others from our academy scored, some of whom we are prouder of than others. Great day!

[twosips]

Just googled it. Indeed it was - SWP and that other one who we'd rather forget about.

Coincidentally we were formally and officially announced as under ownership of the Abu Dhabi group that day, according to the BBC report I read. The Sheikh was introduced to the stars.

That day we had SWP, Richards and Ireland all starting alongside Established players such as Robinho, Elano etc. With a fourth academy product coming off the bench. Now imagine that scenario but with players twice as talented - that's what our first team should be in a couple of years imo.

[Bridge'srightfoot]

Just googled it. Indeed it was - SWP and that other one who we'd rather forget about.

Coincidentally we were formally and officially announced as under ownership of the Abu Dhabi group that day, according to the BBC report I read. The Sheikh was introduced to the stars.

That day we had SWP, Richards and Ireland all starting alongside Established players such as Robinho, Elano etc. With a fourth academy product coming off the bench. Now imagine that scenario but with players twice as talented - that's what our first team should be in a couple of years imo.

Ched Evans scored that day.

[mr_nool]

Just googled it. Indeed it was - SWP and that other one who we'd rather forget about.

Coincidentally we were formally and officially announced as under ownership of the Abu Dhabi group that day, according to the BBC report I read. The Sheikh was introduced to the stars.

That day we had SWP, Richards and Ireland all starting alongside Established players such as Robinho, Elano etc. With a fourth academy product coming off the bench. Now imagine that scenario but with players twice as talented - that's what our first team should be in a couple of years imo.

Ched Evans scored that day.

Consentually?

[nottsblue]

Just googled it. Indeed it was - SWP and that other one who we'd rather forget about.

Coincidentally we were formally and officially announced as under ownership of the Abu Dhabi group that day, according to the BBC report I read. The Sheikh was introduced to the stars.

That day we had SWP, Richards and Ireland all starting alongside Established players such as Robinho, Elano etc. With a fourth academy product coming off the bench. Now imagine that scenario but with players twice as talented - that's what our first team should be in a couple of years imo.

Ched Evans scored that day.

Consentually?

Funny

[Slim]

Just googled it. Indeed it was - SWP and that other one who we'd rather forget about.

Coincidentally we were formally and officially announced as under ownership of the Abu Dhabi group that day, according to the BBC report I read. The Sheikh was introduced to the stars.

That day we had SWP, Richards and Ireland all starting alongside Established players such as Robinho, Elano etc. With a fourth academy product coming off the bench. Now imagine that scenario but with players twice as talented - that's what our first team should be in a couple of years imo.

Ched Evans scored that day.

Consentually?

Funny

I don't want this to be a joke, but IF you thought that was funny, everyone favourite scumbag Pardew with this beauty.

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Pardew, 47, stated that Chelsea. midfielder Michael Essien "absolutely rapes" Manchester City player Ched Evans during a midfield tussle.
"He's timed it perfectly" he said.
"He's a strong boy, he absolutely rapes him" he adds.

[Blue Since 76]

We've got a great academy infrastructure now, yet I know virtually nothing of any if the kids in it and care less. And I suspect I'm pretty typical of City fans.

It's not that I don't want kids coming through, I do, but the chances of it seem so remote, I'm assuming none of the current crop are anywhere near good enough. My lad's 9 and a huge City fan and season ticket holder, yet if he was asked to join the academy, I'd really need to think about it and I'd be pushing him round other local clubs. It pisses me off that the press go on about us not bringing kids through, but then I see the team against Newcastle or Wednesday and have to conclude that either they're right, or the current crop are rubbish.

I'm not really sure what's holistic about never giving kids a chance, even when there are no fit strikers.

[Wonderwall]

We've got a great academy infrastructure now, yet I know virtually nothing of any if the kids in it and care less. And I suspect I'm pretty typical of City fans.

It's not that I don't want kids coming through, I do, but the chances of it seem so remote, I'm assuming none of the current crop are anywhere near good enough. My lad's 9 and a huge City fan and season ticket holder, yet if he was asked to join the academy, I'd really need to think about it and I'd be pushing him round other local clubs. It pisses me off that the press go on about us not bringing kids through, but then I see the team against Newcastle or Wednesday and have to conclude that either they're right, or the current crop are rubbish.

I'm not really sure what's holistic about never giving kids a chance, even when there are no fit strikers.

how are you going to ever know anything about the academy prospects if you care less? So you agree you know nothing, yet you slag off the decision to not play the kids you know nothing about? then you state you would really need to think about letting your City mad kid join what is going to be the best academy in world football?

That is staggeringly one of the biggest pile of bollox I have read.

[Piccsnumberoneblue]

I think in truth it is the standard a young player has to hit to get into the side that is a problem. If you are midfielder you have to be as good or better than nasri, Yaya, Milner, Lumpard, Dinho and big Dave. Now that is a big ask. And which youth player is going to dislodge one of the top five strikers in world football, from the team?

[nottsblue]

I think in truth it is the standard a young player has to hit to get into the side that is a problem. If you are midfielder you have to be as good or better than nasri, Yaya, Milner, Lumpard, Dinho and big Dave. Now that is a big ask. And which youth player is going to dislodge one of the top five strikers in world football, from the team?

But surely you would want to go to the best facility in World Sport. You would train with some of the best players in the world and certainly the best in the UK. Yes, to get in the first team you'd have to be a bit special, but training with these guys will improve your standards no end but if you are one of the lads who don't make it, the level of club you'll go to is probably of championship standard or league one. If you flunk out of Oldham or Wigan, where do you go then? Non league?

We will have no problems attracting lads to our academy, rest assured on that

[Blue Since 76]

We've got a great academy infrastructure now, yet I know virtually nothing of any if the kids in it and care less. And I suspect I'm pretty typical of City fans.

It's not that I don't want kids coming through, I do, but the chances of it seem so remote, I'm assuming none of the current crop are anywhere near good enough. My lad's 9 and a huge City fan and season ticket holder, yet if he was asked to join the academy, I'd really need to think about it and I'd be pushing him round other local clubs. It pisses me off that the press go on about us not bringing kids through, but then I see the team against Newcastle or Wednesday and have to conclude that either they're right, or the current crop are rubbish.

I'm not really sure what's holistic about never giving kids a chance, even when there are no fit strikers.

how are you going to ever know anything about the academy prospects if you care less? So you agree you know nothing, yet you slag off the decision to not play the kids you know nothing about? then you state you would really need to think about letting your City mad kid join what is going to be the best academy in world football?

That is staggeringly one of the biggest pile of bollox I have read.

What I'm saying is, I don't know about the academy kids and what's the point, as they won't play for the first team anyway. That's clearly not the intention having spent a fortune on an academy, so why not play at least one (other than Boyata) against Newcastle or Wednesday or when winning comfortably? I just don't get what we're clearly trying to achieve when the 'holistic' manager never plays them. Put a few kids in when we can and give the rest the opportunity to see what they could achieve. At the moment, if they do well, they may get loaned somewhere.

[london blue 2]

I think in truth it is the standard a young player has to hit to get into the side that is a problem. If you are midfielder you have to be as good or better than nasri, Yaya, Milner, Lumpard, Dinho and big Dave. Now that is a big ask. And which youth player is going to dislodge one of the top five strikers in world football, from the team?

I don't think people are talking about dislodging these guys. There has been a large number of opportunities for us to field some young blood over the last few years and we seem very relutanct to do so.

Either they're no good enough or we simply don't trust them. For a club that has just produced the best youth facilities in the world that seems a little contradictory.

[Wonderwall]

I think in truth it is the standard a young player has to hit to get into the side that is a problem. If you are midfielder you have to be as good or better than nasri, Yaya, Milner, Lumpard, Dinho and big Dave. Now that is a big ask. And which youth player is going to dislodge one of the top five strikers in world football, from the team?

I don't think people are talking about dislodging these guys. There has been a large number of opportunities for us to field some young blood over the last few years and we seem very relutanct to do so.

Either they're no good enough or we simply don't trust them. For a club that has just produced the best youth facilities in the world that seems a little contradictory.

Or maybe they are not quite ready and we dont want to ruin what could be....

Btw the world class facilities have been there for 30 seconds. What has that got to do with the price of fish?

[Foreverinbluedreams]

I think in truth it is the standard a young player has to hit to get into the side that is a problem. If you are midfielder you have to be as good or better than nasri, Yaya, Milner, Lumpard, Dinho and big Dave. Now that is a big ask. And which youth player is going to dislodge one of the top five strikers in world football, from the team?

I don't think people are talking about dislodging these guys. There has been a large number of opportunities for us to field some young blood over the last few years and we seem very relutanct to do so.

Either they're no good enough or we simply don't trust them. For a club that has just produced the best youth facilities in the world that seems a little contradictory.

Or maybe they are not quite ready and we dont want to ruin what could be....

Btw the world class facilities have been there for 30 seconds. What has that got to do with the price of fish?

Exactly WW.

Just going back to Piccs point. They don't necessarily have to dislodge anyone from the team, every now and again we may produce someone that can do that but what we should be looking at is producing squad players, we should be more than capable of producing a Milner, a Navas, a Fernando.

As for Jovetic, he wasn't great against Wednesday but I feel a bit for him getting compared to Milner because he didn't have Silva and Nasri sliding balls through to him when he was on the pitch whereas Jimmy did.